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I came across an interesting, yet disturbing article in the Atlantic today about a U.S. District Court case in the District of Colorado, Kerr v. Hickenlooper, that deals with the constitutionality of a Colorado law. On the surface, it all appears rather mundane and somewhat trivial, but I think it shows just how vulnerable the "sovereignty" of states and localities can be in a so-called federal system, especially during times of extreme desperation on the part of central authorities. Here are the opening sentences of the article:

If a Government Can't Tax, Is It Really a Government?

Could Congress invalidate your state's constitution and demand it be rewritten?

 

The answer -- disconcertingly enough for those who regard the states as "sovereign," as against the federal government -- is almost certainly yes. It won't happen, of course. But last month, a related question emerged that may have more practical importance: Could a federal court do the same thing?

I'm not as confident as Gary Epps that "it won't happen", but we can get back to that later. The plaintiffs in this case, Colorado state legislators, are alleging that a unique Colorado initiative enacted in 1992, called the Taxpayer's Bill of Rights ("TABOR"), is unconstitutional because it disallows state and local governments from levying any taxes without prior approval from Colorado citizens via popular vote. One of their primary arguments in support of this complaint is that TABOR prevents Colorado from having a functional legislature and therefore from having a "republican form of government", which is in violation of this obscure part of the Constitution:

Article IV, §4 - "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government..."

Essentially, the plaintiffs are asking a federal court to interpret the above clause in a way that defines "republican form of government" as one in which legislatures can raise taxes without popular approval. In addition, the court must interpret "shall guarantee to every State in this Union" as giving federal courts the authority to override any State Constitution that fails to provide for a "republican form of government". Gary Epps explains why these types of questions aren't usually even considered by federal courts:

Guaranty Clause cases are routinely tossed on the grounds that they raise a "political question" that courts should not decide. Last week, however, Judge William Martinez rejected that argument and ruled that this case can proceed. The ruling breaks new ground.

 

Courts steer clear of the Guaranty Clause because no one quite agrees what a "republican form of government" is. Even today, we can rule out governments with kings, but Saddam Hussein's Iraq was a "republic," as is Kim Jong-un's North Korea. James Madison, that font of wisdom, defined a republic in Federalist 10 as "a government in which the scheme of representation takes place," as distinct from "a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person." Direct democracy, by this definition, would be anti-republican. Sounds good, but it was Madison's own notion, rather than a standard definition.

 

In 1849, when Rhode Island was in the middle of a small civil war, the Supreme Court refused to use the Clause to decide which of the two warring governments was valid. That duty, it said, fell to Congress, which would seat the representatives of the government it found legitimate. At the dawn of the twentieth century, many scholars argued that the so-called "Oregon system" of initiative, referendum, and recall was anti-republican. In 1911, the Supreme Court rejected a challenge to Oregon's initiative system by a corporation that objected to paying taxes adopted by popular vote. The tax itself was a perfectly ordinary tax, the Court pointed out; the company's argument was simply that it had to be adopted by a different mechanism. Congress might have a right to outlaw the initiative, the Court said, but the courts did not. "It follows that the case presented is not within our jurisdiction."

Despite all of the above precedent against federal courts getting involved, Judge Martinez of the District Court has decided that it has the authority and jurisdiction to let the case proceed and make a definitive ruling on this Guarantee Clause question. He is basically giving credence to the plaintiff's claim that TABOR is not simply a legislative initiative, but a fundamental alteration of Colorado’s system of government that may reduce it to an "anti-republican" and, therefore, unconstitutional setup.

But Judge Martinez, who was appointed to the bench in 2010, held that the Colorado case isn't a challenge to the adoption of law by initiative. It is, rather, a challenge to a specific system of government -- however adopted -- wherein there is effectively no delegated power to tax. Thus, he said, the Oregon case did not bar the court from at least hearing the case. "This action . . . seeks not the invalidation of Colorado's ballot initiative system. Plaintiffs, in fact, seek only to invalidate one particular measure passed via the Colorado voter initiative process: TABOR." Invalidating that measure, if it happens, "will in no way affect Colorado voters' power of initiative . . . ."

 

In addition, Martinez noted that the "political question" doctrine almost never bars courts from hearing statutory cases -- and one of the issues in Kerr is whether TABOR violates not just the Constitution but the 1875 Colorado Enabling Act, under which Congress admitted the state to the Union on condition that its state constitution should be "republican in form." Just last term, the Supreme Court brushed aside the federal government's argument that a federal statutory case raised a "political question."

It is one thing for a state court to decide whether state laws are in violation of the state constitution (or perhaps the U.S. Constitution), but here we have a federal court potentially determining whether both a state law AND a state constitution is in violation of the U.S. Constitution based on a vaguely defined "guarantee" of "republican" government for the states, using some 19th century statute to skirt the "political question" doctrine. It is a dangerous road to travel, which means that our federal institutions will almost certainly decide to travel down it as far as they can.

TAE has recently discussed the counterfeit virtues of federal systems, in which decentralization is nothing more than a slogan for radical centralization of wealth/power, and the non-existent rule of law in "civilized" countries such as the U.S. We should not be fooled into thinking that the federal courts, U.S. Congress or the federal executive/administrative agencies are relying on the "historical and true" meaning of the U.S. Constitution in these types of situations. They are simply manipulating the Constitution to achieve their corrupt, short-term goals and combat the storm surge of decentralization.

"I believe the trial in this case may be the first time a federal court will have to take a good look at the history and meaning of the Guarantee Clause," Skaggs said. Colorado Attorney General John Suthers replied in an interview that "republican form of government" means only three things: (1) ultimate vesting of power in the people; (2) a politically accountable executive; and (3) the basic rule of law. Because Colorado has all three, he argues, "I don't think the United States Supreme Court will have any appetite" for this case.

 

He may be right. If Judge Martinez were to strike down TABOR, and the Tenth Circuit agreed, the case would be bound to go to The Show. A powerful line of precedent there would suggest plaintiffs can't win.

 

But underlying the plaintiffs' case in Kerr is a question that has wide relevance in today's polarized politics: If one side of a political debate succeeds in smashing the political controls so it can never lose, is the resulting system really a self-governing one?

 

Defenders of TABOR ridicule the case as "frivolous." But some people suggested that the challenge to the Affordable Care Act was frivolous too. Those challengers lost most of the case. They also educated the nation on libertarian doctrine, transformed the political debate, and moved Supreme Court precedent well to the right. The opponents of TABOR are doing much the same thing. Win or lose, their enterprise is deadly serious.

 

 

Remember the infamous Citizens United Case of 2010? There, the Supreme Court also had a "powerful line of precedent" upholding federal campaign funding laws. But that didn't stop the Court from interpreting the protection of "free speech" in the First Amendment to broadly include any corporate expenditure on political campaigns. So what's to stop the Court from arbitrarily defining "republican form of government" to exclude any legislative system in which the people have a direct say over certain policies, such as tax measures? Absolutely nothing.

The Court may not have much of an "appetite" to hear these issues now, but that just means lower federal courts will be able to take it upon themselves to override the voices of individuals, communities and states in favor of the corrupt interests of state and federal legislators. If it gets to the point where a few federal circuits are resisting this transition, then the Supreme Court will suddenly find the issue very appetizing and completely within its jurisdiction to decide.

It turns out that any form of direct democracy these days poses an existential threat to the corporatist powers that be, especially when that democracy involves matters of extracting taxable wealth from the people. We are at the point where state legislators will challenge their state's own constitution as unconstitutional because it prevents them from enacting policies in contravention of the popular will. And this is just one potential strategy in a whole host of other strategies that have been, and will continue to be, used by central authorities against the people.

We must continue to keep our guard up, because the threat is very real and it is at our doorstep.

Posted: 9 months ago by Surly1 #4874
Good that someone with legal training and ability is able to track this case with all of its pernicious potential consequences.

For my money (admittedly not much), these were the most chilling words I've read all day:

". . . decentralization is nothing more than a slogan for radical centralization of wealth/power, and the non-existent rule of law in "civilized" countries such as the U.S. We should not be fooled into thinking that the federal courts, U.S. Congress or the federal executive/administrative agencies are relying on the "historical and true" meaning of the U.S. Constitution in these types of situations. They are simply manipulating the Constitution to achieve their corrupt, short-term goals and combat the storm surge of decentralization."

We often lose sight of the fact that "reframing" and redefinition of terminology is often the first way that the "slippery slope" gets its grease.
Posted: 9 months, 1 week ago by Gravity #4869
thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.CON.RES.107:

"Expressing the sense of Congress that the use of offensive military force by a President without prior and clear authorization of an Act of Congress constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under article II, section 4 of the Constitution."

The judiciary may successfully compel congress to perform their duty and impeach the POTUS for a high crime and misdemeanor under article II section 4 [committed by engaging in unauthorised offensive military force in the Libyan war], under pain of criminal dereliction of congressional duty yielding complicity in said high crime, being Treason by levying War against them, under article III section 3.

Notwithstanding the enactment of house c. res. 107, as constitutional stipulations readily apply, a judiciary intervention to compel congress to perform their duty may not conflict with a prohibitive political question doctrine, as it is [rendered] a distinct criminal question.

www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1361
"The district courts shall have original jurisdiction of any action in the nature of mandamus to compel an officer or employee of the United States or any agency thereof to perform a duty owed to the plaintiff."
Posted: 9 months, 1 week ago by Gravity #4868
ashvin wrote:

Take Congress' power to "regulate interstate commerce", for ex. There is really no further explanation of what that entails, and it has therefore become so broad as to encompass just about any economic activity.


On the obamacare ruling, the administration tried to reason that not purchasing a product is a commercial activity which influences price as much as a positive purchase would, and so not purchasing a product must be equally regulated as a commercial activity under said commerce clause, because a commercial non-action may influence the price of any good or service in interstate transactions.

So not engaging in commerce is nonetheless rendered a commercial activity.

This absurd reasoning was dismissed, only to be superceded by the more vicious reasoning of the taxation clause; that purchasing, for private use, a private insurance on the use of one's own body [from a third-party commercial entity], must be mandated by law to be conductive for the 'general welfare'.

ashvin wrote:

Federal courts can really interpret these vague clauses as broadly or as narrowly as they want, depending on what corporate or political interests are in play for any given set of facts.


Its the meaning of words that keeps shifting between interpretations. If the definitions of certain key words were renormalised by proper weight in a legal heuristic, it would be more clear and adequately inviolate.
A novel mathematical language may be employed to parse the precise meaning of constitutional language, based on the reciprocal recursion of unalienable rights, to constrain the transient immanence of legal abstraction.

The 'living document' idea is often abused in this way, enabling haphazard re-interpretation in accordance with the needs of special interests. The timeless condition of constitutional vitality must afford that a cogent constitution may be rightfully applied or amended within strict parameters, when novel socio-economic situations demand legal codification or clarification, without internal contradictions arising in the meaning of words long established.

Seriously, the document itself ought to contain all applicable definitions of what form of government it does delineate; "a republic if you can keep it", but none can define it, even after 200+ years?
Posted: 9 months, 1 week ago by ashvin #4866
Gravity wrote:
Interpreting this guarantee clause poses an interesting problem,
but it is stupifiying that the vital conception of a republican form
cannot be readily defined within constitutional parameters,
any applicable definition must be directly evident from the document itself.


Not that I'm aware of. Then again, not many concepts or powers are "directly evident from the document itself". Take Congress' power to "regulate interstate commerce", for ex. There is really no further explanation of what that entails, and it has therefore become so broad as to encompass just about any economic activity. Federal courts can really interpret these vague clauses as broadly or as narrowly as they want, depending on what corporate or political interests are in play for any given set of facts. Precedents can be amassed to support those interpretations, and, if there is little preceding judicial support, the judges can rely on some other ad hoc reasoning to ignore/overturn prior precedent.
Posted: 9 months, 1 week ago by Babble #4864
The problem with Barnhardt's advice is she doesn't say what to do with your money if you get it out of all financial accounts. Its just get the hell out. Imagine if even 25% of the population did this, it would collapse the financial system. I'm not saying there isn't a problem with the debt, but it is caused by the banks on one hand and the role of the US as an international policeman on the other.

Maybe there is no solution but if there is a governmental collapse, many of us won't live through it. Just turn off your TV, internet and power for a week and try it.

Mr. Pollock has stopped all comments on the video because he can't address the implications of doing what he advocates. Maybe he and Barnhardt are right but will they trigger the nuclear option?
Posted: 9 months, 1 week ago by Gravity #4863
Interpreting this guarantee clause poses an interesting problem,
but it is stupifiying that the vital conception of a republican form
cannot be readily defined within constitutional parameters,
any applicable definition must be directly evident from the document itself.

I find that the Domestic Violence clause in the same section
does readily apply to the imminent threat of Homeland Security
and its projected purchase of 1.4 billion bullets for domestic use.

Section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, [as delineated in this document]
and shall protect each of them against Invasion;
and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive
(when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence [perpetrated by the Executive].

Also;
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed [under pain of kinetic constitutionalism].
Posted: 9 months, 1 week ago by jal #4851
What kind of financial system will we end up with after a reset?
I will not be the one redrawing up and imposing any kind of system.
So, if you are interested in finding out what could be happening, here is something to read.

www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2012/wp12202.pdf
The Chicago Plan Revisited

Jaromir Benes and Michael Kumhof
---
Here is a ref. and a few quotes for those interested in the history of money, and gold backed currency.

The historical debate concerning the nature and control of money is the subject of
(The Lost Science of Money
by Stephen A. Zarlenga),
a masterful work that traces this debate back to ancient Mesopotamia, Greece and Rome.

... the harvest cycle in ancient farming societies, but Zarlenga (2002), Del
Mar (1895), and the works cited therein contain numerous other historical examples where
this mechanism was at work. It repeatedly led to systemic borrower defaults, forfeiture of
collateral, and therefore the concentration of wealth in the hands of lenders. For the
macroeconomic consequences it matters little whether this represents deliberate and
malicious manipulation, or whether it is an inherent feature of a system based on private
money creation. We will return to this in our theoretical model, too.

A discussion of the crises brought on by excessive debt in ancient Mesopotamia is
contained in Hudson and van de Mierop (2002). It was this experience, acquired over
millennia, that led to the prohibition of usury and/or to periodic debt forgiveness
(“wiping the slate clean”) in the sacred texts of the main Middle Eastern religions. The
earliest known example of such debt crises in Greek history are the 599 BC reforms of
Solon, which were a response to a severe debt crisis of small farmers, brought on by the charging of interest on coinage by a wealthy oligarchy. It is extremely illuminating to
realize that Solon’s reforms, at this very early time, already contained many elements of
what Henry Simons (1948), a principal proponent of the Chicago Plan, would later refer
to as the “financial good society”. First, there was widespread debt cancellation, and the
restitution of lands that had been seized by creditors. Second, agricultural commodities
were monetized by setting official monetary floor prices for them. Because the source of
loan repayments for agricultural debtors was their output of these commodities, this
turned debt finance into something closer to equity finance. Third, Solon provided much
more plentiful government-issued, debt-free coinage that reduced the need for private
debts. Solon’s reforms were so successful that, 150 years later, the early Roman republic
sent a delegation to Greece to study them. They became the foundation of the Roman
monetary system from 454 BC (Lex Aternia) until the time of the Punic wars (Peruzzi
(1985)). It is also at this time that a link was established between these ancient
understandings of money and more modern interpretations. This happened through the
teachings of Aristotle that were to have such a crucial influence on early Western thought.
In Ethics, Aristotle clearly states the state/institutional theory of money, and rejects any
commodity-based or trading concept of money, by saying “Money exists not by nature but
by law.” The Dialogues of Plato contain similar views (Jowett (1937)). This insight was
reflected in many monetary systems of the time, which contrary to a popular prejudice
among monetary historians were based on state-backed fiat currencies rather than
commodity monies. Examples include the extremely successful Spartan system (approx.
750-415 BC), introduced by Lycurgus, which was based on iron disks of low intrinsic
value, the 390-350 BC Athenian system, based on copper, and most importantly the early
Roman system (approx. 700-150 BC), which was based on bronze tablets, and later coins,
whose material value was far below their face value.

Many historians (Del Mar (1895)) have partly attributed the eventual collapse of the
Roman republic to the emergence of a plutocracy that accumulated immense private
wealth at the expense of the general citizenry. Their ascendancy was facilitated by the
introduction of privately controlled silver money, and later gold money, at prices that far
exceeded their earlier commodity value prices, during the emergency period of the Punic
wars. With the collapse of Rome much of the ancient monetary knowledge and experience
was lost in the West. But the teachings of Aristotle remained important through their
influence on the scholastics, including St. Thomas Acquinas (1225-1274). This may be
part of the reason why, until the Industrial Revolution, monetary control in the West
remained generally either in government or religious hands, and was inseparable from
ultimate sovereignty in society. However, this was to change eventually, and the beginnings
can be traced to the first emergence of private banking after the fall of Byzantium in 1204,
with rulers increasingly relying on loans from private bankers to finance wars. But
ultimate monetary control remained in sovereign hands for several more centuries. The
Bank of Amsterdam (1609-1820) in the Netherlands was still government-owned and
maintained a 100% reserve backing for deposits. And the Mixt Moneys of Ireland (1601)
legal case in England confirmed the right of the sovereign to issue intrinsically worthless
base metal coinage as legal tender. It was the English Free Coinage Act of 1666, which
placed control of the money supply into private hands, and the founding of the privately
controlled Bank of England in 1694, that first saw a major sovereign relinquishing
monetary control, not only to the central bank but also to the private banking interests
behind it. The following centuries would provide ample opportunities to compare the results of government and private control over money issuance.
Posted: 9 months, 1 week ago by m111ark #4849
Ah-ha... the favorite refrain of the excitable, "it's different this time."

It may be, in the very long time frame, but in my remaining years, not likely. Do you really think you've discovered something unique that's only be going on for the last few years or decades? FOREVER, my friend. FOR - EVER! The only thing different is that the internet affords the excitable an opportunity to display their ignorance.
Posted: 9 months, 1 week ago by SteveB #4847
And there we have the normalcy bias in all its splendor. Thanks, m111ark.

As I've heard said, it's not paranoia when someone really is following you.

That said, Barnhardt wouldn't be my first choice to share with a friend or family member. Of course, by the time I got around to doing so (after they rationalized why they could ignore whoever or whatever I pointed them to, say, TAE), it might be too late.
Posted: 9 months, 1 week ago by m111ark #4845
Y'all may believe whatever you wish, but I've seen Barnhardt's vids and read her comments at her site... and she's the last person I would ever turn to for ANY advice whatsoever. In my opinion, she's so hate filled that all that hate has so clouded her judgement as to make her completely insane. In fact, a person unfamiliar with finance and money, just a normal, walking around american, must come to the conclusion, after watching her vids, that this woman has lost her mind.

I think there's a certain class of people, I call them republicons, who are more effected by right wing paranoia than more balanced people, who, unfortunately I cannot call democrats. I believe balanced, normal minded people are in short supply at this time in history when we need them the most. Our history in this country, to some extent, informs this paranoia, but it's been more prevalent sine 9/11.

You cannot allow yourself to be influenced by these hate-toids. They are not normal and down that path is misery of mind and desolation.I'm not suggesting a Pollyanna vision, just balance. The world is not black with spots of white, just the opposite.
Posted: 9 months, 1 week ago by bluebird #4840
Ann Barnhardt is another one who advocates getting out of the financial institutions. So assuming she has gotten out of the markets like she is telling everyone to do, does anyone know what Barnhardt has done with her money? Does she farm, grow food?
Posted: 9 months, 1 week ago by jal #4838
!

Ann Barnhardt and I (Warren Pollock) talk about the most important issues of today including the property rights, collateral, the lack of safety in savings and retirement plans, and the 2012 election. We discuss the Sentinel Bankruptcy as a test case for violating key safeguards to any and all of your financial instruments within the context of fraud or banking interests. This ruling has major implications to you as well as Jon Corzine. We anticipate the need to fund Treasuries with funds captured in retirement plans. Most importantly, Ann and I describe events without pointing the finger to "them" this is a time to take personal responsibility by finding clarity in current events.

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