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TOPIC: Homo sapien v. FWS
Homo sapien v. FWS 1 year ago #3034
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The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service ("FWS") is the federal agency in charge of "listing" most species under the Endangered Species Act ("ESA"). This legislation was passed in 1973 and explicitly stated its goal was "to protect critically imperiled species from extinction as a 'consequence of economic growth and development untempered by adequate concern and conservation'...". The general purpose and specific language of the ESA has been broadly construed by federal courts over the years. Once a species is officially listed as endangered or threatened, the ESA regulations kick in and theoretically prevent any "person" (including corporations) from performing an action that constitutes a "taking" of the species – or to "harass, harm, pursue hunt, shoot, would, kill, trap, capture or collect, or to attempt to engage in such conduct". Federal agencies must also refrain from launching projects that potentially threaten the "continued existence" of the species. The latter must consult with the FWS before undertaking any such projects, so it can determine whether they jeopardize the species and/or whether any mitigating alternatives are available. An individual or organization can petition the appropriate federal agency to consider a listing of a species under the ESA if the species meets at least one of the following five conditions:
The ESA has been interpreted as precluding the FWS (or other relevant agency) from considering economic costs when deciding whether or not to list a species, and they must only consider the "best scientific and commercial data available". What would happen, then, if the FWS received a petition to list the Homo sapiens as an endangered species and to accordingly receive protection under federal regulation? I wonder what the implications of such a listing would be......
The following is a brief outline of a listing petition that SHOULD be submitted to the FWS for due consideration, and one that SHOULD be accepted for further review, and eventually notice & comment by the public. If it is not accepted, then a federal lawsuit should be filed against the FWS to compel them to consider the species for listing pursuant to the ESA, spawning the case - Homo sapien v. FWS. Petition for Listing of the Homo sapiens ("HS") species as an Endangered Species Pursuant to Federal Regulation of the Endangered Species Act [50 CFR 424.14(b)] Submitted by The Automatic Earth Community on May 20, 2012. Basic Listing Requirements are Met 1) The scientific name of the considered species is Homo sapiens, commonly referred to as a "human, human being, person, man, woman, boy or girl". 2) It is recommended that the FWS list the HS as an Endangered Species under the ESA. 3) Humans are technically a "species" that can be listed under the ESA, since they are living beings that exist in the natural environment and interbreed when they are mature. At least 10% of the human range currently lives in "the wild", without access to adequate shelter. There are currently more than seven billion humans alive on planet Earth, and more than 300 million (5%) existing within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States. General Outline of Argument For Listing Under ESA Upwards of 50% of this species' range has come under the threat of near-term (within the next 50 years) extinction due to economic growth (and it's natural collapse), untempered development, severe resource mis-allocation, air/water pollution, ecosystem degradation, energy scarcity, climate change, potential nuclear war and a variety of inter-related factors. The global financial crisis of 2007-08 has destroyed the means of subsistence (jobs, incomes, revenue streams, retirement savings, net worth, etc.) across a large portion of the species' range, and has also led to social and political events, such as protests, riots, revolutions and militaristic repression, that have caused and will continue to cause many deaths. Lack of access to clean water, adequate food and basic health care also contribute to many deaths every year. Sharp increases in global temperatures have intensified weather processes around the world, contributing heavily to widespread drought, famine, flood and disease. Unstable political structures and dissident groups with access to weapons of mass destruction threaten to wipe out millions, if not hundreds of millions, in any given month or year. That is especially likely to occur as economic and political structures continue to deteriorate at an accelerating pace and institutions of power become increasingly blinded by desperation. Many of these institutions exist within a global banking framework that acts as a predator of the human species that knows NO bounds or limits to its scale and frequency of predation. Through the monetary policies of central banks such as the Federal Reserve, Bank of Japan, European Central Bank, and the "structural reform" programs of institutions such as the World Bank and International Monetary Fund, millions if not billions of humans across the species' range have been driven into poverty, dangerous slave-like working conditions, contaminated living environments (including prison), homelessness, malnutrition, civil war and starvation. The well established scientific theory of "peak oil" predicts that much of the human range will be priced out of basic energy requirements (gas for transportation/heating, fuel for cooking, electricity for medical technology, etc.) as well as adequate food supplies, which will lead to many deaths from starvation, illness and violent conflict. The IEA officially reported that global crude oil production had peaked in 2005, and the prospects of offsetting these "unexpected" production declines with alternative modes of energy supply have less than a 5% chance of occurring. The above issues threatening the habitat and survival of the HS species are not being addressed by ANY existing regulatory frameworks. In fact, most existing regulations and practices related to these issues, such as the Dodd-Frank Act, the Kyoto Protocol, the "War on Terror", Quantitative Easing, Stimulus Spending, Mandated Austerity, International "Aid", etc., are completely ineffective and/or serve to make these threats to the species much more potent than they already are. There is no serious discussion of how to mitigate these threats in any high-level public policy spheres. Conclusion of Argument for Listing
In light of the general issues outlined above, we request that the FWS consider listing the species of homo sapiens as an endangered AND threatened species pursuant to the ESA, with all of the automatic regulatory protections that attach to such a classification. Additional data, models, studies and analysis can be provided to the FWS upon further request to supplement the above general factors that are clearly endangering the human species across a significant portion of its range. Once listed, all private and public projects that could potentially contribute to a "taking" of the HS species should be immediately halted and reviewed. The critical habitat of the HS species must also be preserved by identifying and protecting "all lands, water and air necessary to recover the endangered species". Given the urgency of this extinction threat to HS - a significant portion of its range could potentially be decimated or wiped out within 50 years - the FWS and other associated federal agencies must act quickly to list the species as endangered and take the necessary measures to preserve it. Thank you for your consideration, TAE Community P.S. - If this petition is rejected or filed away in your basement somewhere without any consideration, you can bet your ass that a lawsuit will be forthcoming! P.P.S. - Have a nice day :) |
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Homo sapiens v. FWS 1 year ago #3035
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Great idea Ash!
However, is this just theoretical, or do you want to file an actual lawsuit? If so, can we find a Lawyer to take the case Pro-Bono? Is there a member of the Bar out there in the TAE community currently UE who wouid like to make a name for him/herself? I do see some problems with this though. First would be classifying all of zhumanity as "Wildlife". Homo Industrialis, most of Humanity right now isn't Wild, it is Captive. Probably the only Humans you could make a case for being "Wildlife" would be the Bushmen of the Kalahari, some Aboriginal Australians, some Inuit in Nunavut and some Amazonian Tribes. Otherwise, all HUMAN Wildlife is already extinct. Countering that argument, you could make the case that Industrialization itself is the cause of wiping out Wild Humans, so therefore in order to save Wild Humans the FWS needs to use its mandate to outlaw Industrialization! Sadly of course, I doubt this will gain much traction, but you could get a lot of Publicity if you actually filed said Lawsuit. As Spokesman for the Doomstead Diner Community, consider us IN on a Class Action lawsuit with TAE. RE www.doomsteaddiner.com |
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Homo sapiens v. FWS 1 year ago #3038
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In the book 'Man's Rise to Civilization', by Peter Farb, I recall seeing an estimate of 12 million as the number of human beings in present day USA borders, at the time of European settlement. Or maybe the estimate was 3 to 12 million.
We know that in those places where there are not too many humans, or none at all, things are fine, for the most part. It is only those places where there are a lot of humans, or human activity, that are screwed up. In order to restore clean water and other niceties, in those high population areas, we need some sort of population reduction, or some sort of technology increase, that addresses the inevitable trauma of high population density. Unfortunately, other than modern sewage treatment plants, most technology has been used to decimate the environment. It is very hard to be optimistic about this. In an authoritarian, heavily overpopulated country like China, where the 'one child' policy was somewhat of a flop, I would go about it like this, for rural families. You are allowed to have one child. If you show that you are exceptionally good stewards of the land, especially in terms of using sustainable methods of agriculture, you can have a second child. |
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Re: Homo sapiens v. FWS 1 year ago #3039
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pipefit wrote:
In an authoritarian, heavily overpopulated country like China, where the 'one child' policy was somewhat of a flop, I would go about it like this, for rural families. You are allowed to have one child. If you show that you are exceptionally good stewards of the land, especially in terms of using sustainable methods of agriculture, you can have a second child. So what do you do in the case where the people VIOLATE the law and OOPS have a second child? Do you Imprison them? Forced Abortion? Expose the Infant on a Mountain Top after it is born? What? Also, your Final Solution here is only talking about Rural Families with some direct connection to the land. How do you limit the reproductive rights of people who live in the Big Shities of China, or anywhere else? Is it by how much MONEY you make? Do you institute a Means Test for procreation? If so, again what do you do when people VIOLATE the LAW and OOPS get pregnant because OOPS they got drunk and forgot the condom? I DO have a procreation Final Solution I think is pretty fair, but I'll write it down in the Frosbite Falls MEMBERS ONLY table in the Diner I SEE Dead People. RE |
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Re: Homo sapiens v. FWS 1 year ago #3040
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Reverse Engineer wrote:
Sadly of course, I doubt this will gain much traction, but you could get a lot of Publicity if you actually filed said Lawsuit. As Spokesman for the Doomstead Diner Community, consider us IN on a Class Action lawsuit with TAE. Yes, the Feds will do exactly jack shit at this point to help preserve humanity, but you may be right about the publicity. Before hiring any attorneys and firing any lawsuits, though, we have to file the initial ESA petition with the FWS. It would obviously have to be a bit more involved than what I have above, but it wouldn't have to contain all of the scientific evidence needed to make the case for a listing - that could come later. I think we could come up with clever ways of classifying a large portion of humans as "wild animals", based on indigenous populations of certain areas, homeless populations, people without adequate access to facets of modern industrial society, etc. Then, once the petition is naturally rejected, we draft the complaint for a lawsuit. Even if many people are now destined to die from economic/ecological collapse, it helps to recognize that the activities of private corporations and governments around the world are only making a bad situation worse and many of them should be curtailed/eliminated. If population control is a necessary element of species recovery, then maybe we can come up with some just ways of going about it (like the ones RE proposes), but only AFTER we use all other methods of mitigating the threat of extinction. |
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Homo sapiens v. FWS 1 year ago #3042
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RE said, "So what do you do in the case where the people VIOLATE the law and OOPS have a second child? Do you Imprison them? Forced Abortion? Expose the Infant on a Mountain Top after it is born? What?
Also, your Final Solution here is only talking about Rural Families with some direct connection to the land. How do you limit the reproductive rights of people who live in the Big Shities of China, or anywhere else?" That isn't my 'final solution', lol. I'm just throwing out ideas that I think are relevant to the topic. Part of the test of any proposed solution to a problem is whether it has any chance at all of making it into public policy. In the case of China, the 1-child policy is already in place. I'm not an advocate of 1-child. But since China has a huge population problem, and 1-child is already in place, I think my suggestion is a good way to improve it. Your question about enforcement is absurd. The authorities over there enforce whatever they want, no matter how unjust. Why would they have qualms about enforcing a far more just policy? "....not here on TAE" Are you paying Ash for all the advertizing you do here? If not, you are spamming. Doesn't really bother me, but there are a lot of sites on the web, I don't have time to read them all. I'm sure your site is a great place for interesting discussion, but my plate is already full. |
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Re: Homo sapiens v. FWS 1 year ago #3044
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pipefit wrote:
Are you paying Ash for all the advertizing you do here? If not, you are spamming. Doesn't really bother me, but there are a lot of sites on the web, I don't have time to read them all. I'm sure your site is a great place for interesting discussion, but my plate is already full. I'm PLUGGING, not spamming. Spamming is when you drop in a lot of nonsense in a thread which has nothing to do with the topic. I don't do that. I write thoughtful commentary appropriate tot he discussion, and then throw in a Plug. You can think of TAE as the "Tonight Show" and Ashvin is Johnny Carson and I am Tiny Tim. I come on, chat a little with Johnny, then sing "Tip Toe thru the Tulips" while strumming on my Ukelele. Sorry about your Full Plate. Top Notch Cuisine over in the Diner RE www.doomsteaddiner.com |
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Homo sapiens v. FWS 1 year ago #3046
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"I DO have a procreation Final Solution I think is pretty fair, but I'll write it down in the Frosbite Falls MEMBERS ONLY table in the Diner , not here on TAE."
The way to get thoughtful posters over to your site is to post a brief summary of your great idea here. If you can set that 'hook' with the beginning of a great idea, I'll go to your site to red the full post, assuming I don't have to pay any money to become a member. Basically, we have a catch-22 type situation in play. The thing that enables man to build huge cities and enjoy a high std. of living is civilization and division of labor. Div. of labor leads to technological advances in agriculture and medicine, which in turn lead to vast increases in population. It is not a permanent solution, but we could probably buy a few decades of time if we could do away with war and the big military budgets. Costa Rica, for example, has no significant army, and they are far more advanced, in many ways, than the rest of Central America. So it is possible, just not likely. |
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Re: Homo sapiens v. FWS 1 year ago #3050
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pipefit wrote:
"I DO have a procreation Final Solution I think is pretty fair, but I'll write it down in the Frosbite Falls MEMBERS ONLY table in the Diner , not here on TAE." The way to get thoughtful posters over to your site is to post a brief summary of your great idea here. If you can set that 'hook' with the beginning of a great idea, I'll go to your site to red the full post, assuming I don't have to pay any money to become a member. Basically, we have a catch-22 type situation in play. The thing that enables man to build huge cities and enjoy a high std. of living is civilization and division of labor. Div. of labor leads to technological advances in agriculture and medicine, which in turn lead to vast increases in population. It is not a permanent solution, but we could probably buy a few decades of time if we could do away with war and the big military budgets. Costa Rica, for example, has no significant army, and they are far more advanced, in many ways, than the rest of Central America. So it is possible, just not likely. I periodically do drop excerpts onto TAE Anyhow, right now on DD the HI vs Deflation debate Guest Starring Ashvin is pretty hot, and I just got off the Alaska Railroad in Talkeetna so I'll be writing an article on that tonight with lots of great pics. Is that enough plugging? RE |
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Re: Homo sapiens v. FWS 1 year ago #3073
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Reverse Engineer wrote:
Anyhow, right now on DD the HI vs Deflation debate Guest Starring Ashvin is pretty hot, and I just got off the Alaska Railroad in Talkeetna so I'll be writing an article on that tonight with lots of great pics. RE I'm thinking if we all just start calling it 'flation, it'll save alot of time. Because no matter what the specifics, 'flation is going to destroy the economy, cause chaos, and make life harder from us all. |
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