Debt Rattle October 22 2024
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October 22, 2024 at 8:53 am #172131Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
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[See the full post at: Debt Rattle October 22 2024]October 22, 2024 at 10:10 am #172135aspnazParticipantJust a reminder that Mark Zuckerberg spent $400 million on the 2020 election. They had no problem with big tech influence on the election until Elon backed Trump.
Bread and circuses. Nobody has a problem with it, they are all playing their roles.
October 22, 2024 at 10:16 am #172136aspnazParticipantDonald Trump is probably the current biggest threat to the free world. His buddy Musk [is] at least public enemy number two..
Kind of agree with this statement, but not to the free world, the USA has not been free for a long time, to prove it try supporting Palestine or try criticising Jews and you will see there is no “free”. Trump and Musk are pulling corporate into government through the front door. RFK Jr is just a role play, some of the nonsense he comes out is plain ridiculous, fairytale land. The money behind Trump and Musk will take over government and the people will be cheering them on. It is sad to see such an obvious coup, but they are taking over a failed state that is only existing because of financial legacy, a legacy that will disappear as soon as the alternatives are ready.
October 22, 2024 at 10:51 am #172137Mister RobotoParticipantThe Great RFK Jr. Bamboozle Of 2024: A Brief History
The tl;dr of this horse-pill of an article is that RFK Jr. is a clownish schmuck with no real moral center, and that the vaunted Kennedy legacy doesn’t really deserve to be all that vaunted.
October 22, 2024 at 11:19 am #172138tbocParticipantsize of Space X vehicle
Travel to Cape Canaveral and have a look at the vehicle assembly building.
How many launches will be necessary to place the infrastructure necessary to bring human beings back from Mars? How many launches will be necessary to place materials required for a stay by human beings on Mars?Trump at McDonalds was a stunt.
Find pictures of FDR in his wheelchair.
after this experiment let your heart go a flutter again about SpaceXTry to reassure me that human beings who are either Roman Catholic or are Islam are going to vote for pedophiles and homosexuals or those who promoted those agendas. The undocumented know the United States well enough to know, take the money and do what you will. All of these recent immigrants know they will be abandoned after the election, they were used in their native lands and they know they will be used here in the United States.
I hear Steve Miller Band singing about Billy Joe and Bobbie Sue
the DARPA and CIA programs of remote sensing and viewing are considerably more successful than realized. Talk to anyone one in the US. These are people who are more than plain clairvoyant, To describe the situation in more mundane terms, they just know shit.
October 22, 2024 at 11:24 am #172139Dr. DParticipant“Report: Even Dominion Machines Refusing To Vote For Kamala” –BBee
“Scott Ritter seems to be one step behind events, but maybe he just can’t acknowledge the seismographic data. SCOTT RITTER: Iran’s Bomb Is Real — And It’s Here”
No, that is categorically false. He is following the data and is very clear on it. I guess that’s what happens when you bother to put yourself out there and actually TRY to do something by going on public radio tours rather than complaining on the internet.
Key fact: Maybe the seismic signature is like a nuclear test – maybe – however, it’s TEN MILES DOWN. The deepest normal holes are only 5 miles down, and that is already incredibly deep. Now you’re telling me, they stopped building and testing nukes, because they were busy inventing a whole new technology ahead of Exxon Mobil, to dig an extra 5 miles, for what exactly? Okay, fine. Maybe somebody is misreporting this so we can have options. IF Iran DID do this, then Israel has said they HAVE to nuke Iran. If we just report they didn’t, with deniability, then there are choices.
So part two, Ritter DID say they already had a nuke. Go listen. But it goes like this: a standard Big Boy is 100 year old tech now. They don’t need to run centrifuges, they could have long bought material from anywhere, OR just got a working nuke from Pakistan, NoKo. In 1996 Soviet collapse they could have bought 10 nukes, the West made sure there was no weapons security there for years. So the idea they couldn’t is silly. BUT: Iran has been excruciatingly careful to show via weapons inspection and put out a Fatwa that they do NOT have one. How for both? Well, you make the two or three parts, don’t test or assemble them, and have them sitting around. They don’t technically have a whole, working car. However, we can bolt the two halves of the car together in a week if you make us.
This is EXACTLY what all of us – you and I – would do in their situation. And that’s exactly what Ritter reported. So Consortium News, you are required to CALL people you’re reporting on, on the “Telephone”, and ask. Or send them a telegram via morse code. Or a letter on parchment with a feather pen. You did not, AND you didn’t bother to listen to the last 10 interviews he gave on it.
So: HAS that red line been crossed? Show me. And would it MATTER if it had been crossed? And what give you the right to set up ANY red lines, EVER, in other people’s countries? So basically, this is a “We control everything” / ”Do what you’re told” / “Pro Israel talking points” / “We get to decide because you are non-human non-people”. And I get pretty sick of it. So what if Iran did? Go f—k yourself. Did Iran lay a hand on you? Genocide you? They’re in the borders of their own country. Leave them alone and nothing will happen.
“The possibility that Iran carried out a nuclear test is being discussed at high levels in Tehran”
Two parts here: one according to “The Cradle” here they did NOT have a confirmed test. So the former article is speculation, not consensus. And also “Iran is discussing with Iran if Iran had a test?” Whut? I mean, the next half of that sentence is “Israeli threats” so maybe Tel Aviv is discussing this, but if I set off a whopper fireworks in my backyard, I’m pretty sure I’d be aware that I did that. I bought them, unwrapped them, lit the fuse and ran. I didn’t forget. …Unless there are two Irans and you’re trying to tell me something. There’s a breakaway Iran in Iran, and the two are at odds. There are a lot of news stories for decades where the only conclusion is this is true, but somebody needs to tell me because otherwise that sentence makes no sense.
“Paul Craig Roberts, “Nuclear High-Altitude Electromagnetic Pulse”: The United States Has Zero National Security “
While this is very serious, the results would be incredibly unpredictable and uneven. Our response is also unpredictable and uneven. You see, if you live in CITIES, like all these pin-heads do, then yes, very likely you’re screwed and you’re all going to die. Because you’re morons and easily could have kept the systems viable, but laughed and didn’t, prioritizing gay marriage instead. But if you’re NOT a moron, and immediately move to the farm to work by hand, as WWII England and incredibly likely, then it’s just a refugee suck-fest, no reason to die, in fact it would be good for us, considering. You can’t just drop 1M on the country, but also you almost certainly CAN add two people per house and have them garden the yard.
““He, as you know, appears to be not well. And he’s engaged in some really bizarre types of activities”
Teenage gurl comments from the party of women. “Donny’s like…so…uncool. He didn’t even ask me to the dance.” “Hyuh. Totally.”
Of COURSE it’s a stunt, and a fun one, although agree mixed messaging with “Make America Healthy”, which only shows they don’t take it too seriously aren’t going to stick a gun up your nose to eat broccoli, and aren’t going to outlaw meat like their competitors. …Who are also fine with McDonalds existing as long as they serve bugs.
“And that’s what I did. I didn’t need a bill; I just closed the borders.”
This is true because THERE’S ALREADY A LAW. That’s why the crossers are “Illegals”. Because…follow along with me here…they broke the law.
“Trump calls out the coup and says Kamala Harris should be investigated for it!”
Yes, but you need to define terms, and stop going so loosey that it’s parallel to a lie. To “Coup” you’d have to remove Biden. He is not removed. Therefore in the usual A ≠ A #AntiLogos fashion, Biden is BOTH President AND not-President. Right? Just like Pope is also Not-Pope, election is also not-election that was investigated ≠ not-investigated in court. Back and back 10, 20 years since they first discovered this.
Okay, so Biden then IS the President. …But you all said he’s incompetent and coup’d him, when we say that, you don’t protest. So you’re derelict of duty because now you admitted you KNOW this, and did NOT “coup” (25A) him. And so WHO’S RUNNING THE COUNTRY? Whoever it is, that’s then illegal. It’s Kamala? She’s on the campaign. She LITERALLY can’t do that, VPs have zero legal power. It’s Jill? Also totally illegal? Blinken? Gray area if they’re not signing bills, but Kamala is then admitting she’s derelict of duty again.
…None of it discussed.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LAI8BCJtof8/VCHf_fREEQI/AAAAAAAADsg/Pqi-ozlo6WQ/s1600/crazy-pills.pngThe people are so dumb they don’t know that and don’t ask the right questions, and you’re not helping.
“Adding to all the things that can go wrong is U.S. Department of Defense Directive 5240.01, which is an absolute nightmare.
What that directive does is that it gives the DoD the power to step in and use lethal force within U.S. borders, even against its own citizens”Case in point. Hey I didn’t know we ran the country on “Directives” some guy made up in his typewriter and not by “Passing Laws” with Congress and the Presidential signature. This is all new to me.
Apparently we’re now below the level of “Schoolhouse Rock” and don’t know what “just a bill is”? Yes, of course, because we hear the same thing about “Executive Orders” which also have zero force of law. Well, if I ask you just to do something, and you do it voluntarily, although it’s not your job and I can’t make you, am I to blame? You’re volunteering Federal time for all these Voluntary, extra-legal actions, how are you getting your actual Federal job done?
Yes, there is more to it with Posse Comitatus, but IIRC Obama lifted that decades ago, no one noticed and nothing has happened.
Same with the “Brunson” case: these guys never took an oath of office, may not have been elected, but if the secretary comes in, there’s an impostor in the chair and does everything he says, well, who’s to blame? I was just sitting here, not my fault you’re all idiots for obeying me.
A dozen Trump articles, but we’re not having an election, and he’s not getting in in any usual way. He’s a mascot and doesn’t matter.
Elon, Der SpiegelWell, they put all speakers and journalists in prison in good German tradition, so… Very proud and pleased to be attacked by them. If they weren’t, you’re doing something wrong.
“Allegations of Pyongyang supplying soldiers and equipment to Russia were originally raised by Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky last week..”
So two nations supplied each other? Be still my heart. We get our uniforms from China, right? So China “supplied” us. Bomb China.
Whaaaaaaaatttt??? And Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy? Why, what, with North Koreans? Kazakhstan is reportedly an independent nation, with Chechnya and they supply huge troops. No comments. “We Make S—t Up” Look at him!! He has a banana!” Um…yes, bananas aren’t…illegal, or strange, or…?
Maybe finally I can understand what this is with the next line: “The EU should return to the idea of putting boots on the ground in Ukraine,”
Ah. So IF NoKo cross-trains troops like they have probably 80 years, THEN the EU can personally invade all Ukraine and fight Russia. They added allies right? They started the world war. Right? Go ahead, I’ll watch.
““If there is going to be a DMZ [demilitarized zone] between Ukraine and Russia, my suggestion would be to have it manned by EU troops”
There’s not going to be. This is how many years behind they are. So, we’re heading on three years, no NATO, no Nukes in Ukraine. And they’re FINALLY up to: Well what if they’re only in 2/3rds of the West, right up to Kiev, but not in Kherson?
No Means No. NO you’re not going to put NATO in MOST of Ukraine, barring a few towns. Jesus Christ. They fought an entire war for this, threatening at all times to go nuclear. Nope, Denial is the strongest force field + invisibility shield known to man.
Okay, you’re going to send the troops to enforce a 1,000-mile DMZ. Fine. WHAT troops? With WHAT armor? You don’t have enough men to have them stand around with a coffee cup in a t-shirt, much less arm them. You have no weapons and no training. What are you going to do, send a guy with a steak knife in a Citroen? (A: Yes.)
Okay, so many level of lies I can’t keep up here. WHY would they do this? Oh, the first staff sergeant that trips in the DMZ they’ll call Article 5 and demand the United States fight it for them. They’ll sit in t-shirts with a coffee cup at home and watch us pay for it. N.O.P.E. YOu fools: you think America is Infinity + Infinity and can fight Infinity wars for you always, no questions, never asked, never checked. You’re like the wife with the checkbook.
“The former special prosecutor was also confronted with his own records showing that he met with White House officials, for eight hours on one occasion, though he told investigators he could not recall the details of the meetings.”
Yeah, I remember the last time I toured the White House, was there all day, invited back several times, talked to the President all day.
…Oh wait, I don’t remember any of it. Not a word. You know, so many people, so many little league meetings, people I meet in the Dentist’s office, who can keep track of Presidents and Presidential meetings? Didn’t leave an impression.
““the invoice says travel to Athens. So that means to me that I traveled to Athens.”
Also doesn’t remember if all Georgia nominated him to be Special Position of Special Prosecutor, with special pay and special duties, no longer doing his regular job. I mean, when I work at Taco Bell, President comes in, tells me I’m to be “Special Projects” guy, gives me a whole secret team in and secret base with a secret phone, like “Chuck” and you know, I’m like “Again???” You all just did this last time when I worked at Olive Garden! So…it’s all a blur, your honor. So many presidents have paid me for so many special prosecutions I can’t remember them all.
https://tvpre.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Chuck.jpgYup! Totally plausible. And that alibi is not incriminating at all.
Speaking of Chuck, Levi actually took a “resistance”, “Brave” stand in Hollywood and came out for Trump at the Freedom Rally. That is, all the other actors are like, “I’m so brave and fighting I sided with 99% of everyone, risking nothing, Wow!” Chuck was like, “I’m for RFK, and RFK went for Trump, so here I am at this rally, speaking up like a normal America with choices.”
Boy the bar has gotten really low, and people still won’t dare cross it.
Btw, Shazam was great, and ShazamII was underrated. Now IF you want to do a “diveristy”, Love, multicultural movie and not be a retard, this is the way to do it. There is a PREMISE, not that Queen Elizabeth is now black like all English people and Victorians especially are. Same with “Wrinkle in Time” There was no compelling reason Meg had to be one way or another if she played the part. So in Shazam, he’s a foster kid of like six foster kids. Therefore, mixed household. Which isn’t living on diversity, it’s living on their problems. Problems = Drama to be overcome, not Mary Sue born perfection ‘cause: Skin color. Fun script as the Shazam universe isn’t too serious.
Also: Acktually, the Shazamverse ALWAYS had this, with Shazam girl, boy, dog (not kidding) all at once, going way back. Always been canon, not different, so this makes perfect sense.
“The US Congress task force investigating the July 13 attempt on the life of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has confirmed that the Secret Service and local law enforcement did not coordinate properly.”
Boy! So glad we got THAT out of the way. Whew. Back to your regular program…
“This created gaps in communication which Crooks was able to slip through.”
Hahahahaha! Oh wait: You’re not kidding? That wasn’t a joke?
“single gunshot wound to the head, presumably inflicted by a Secret Service counter-sniper. He managed to fire eight shots prior to that, however, and may have stopped only after a local police officer shot at him.”
May? Might? Two months later and you haven’t even figured out and confirmed the SHOT? Maybe he wasn’t shot at all then. Aliens shot him, I guess. My story is as official as yours.
“• US Interest Payments Top Defense Spending For First Time In History (I&I)
Joke’s on you: the interest payments are FOR the Defense spending. Net-net true. Only way we can pay twice so we grabbed it.
Now thanks to them stealing $6-$10,000 per person we had to go out and make that money AGAIN to fill a trunk at WalMart for North Carolina. So we did it.
And what all you smart, helpful people saying we should do instead? Shoot somebody? Get a ticket, I’m sure you’ll have no trouble getting a gun when you get here, just fly into Chicago. You’re welcome to help out. Oh, when it’s YOU you suddenly are fresh out of ideas and just realized your mommy’s calling? Alright then, leave it to us: we’ll both push these guys out AND save North Carolina AGAINST the government’s wishes. You just go ahead and watch and criticize, sounds about right.
What I heard yesterday, with Cullom, “If you think somebody should do something, then that “somebody’ is you.” You, buddy. Get your -ss out there.
This is what people who’ve never worked don’t realize. Don’t deal with money, capitalism is stupid, d#$% Capitalists. See that shipping hay in from Tennessee? Yeah, that ain’t free, buddy. The Hay may be free, but that’s a really expensive truck burning $100 bills of diesel in no time and has dollar per mile costs on repairs, wearing out. So that’s now REALLY expensive hay they’re donating to you. Thousands of dollars. Tens of thousands.
Oh wait: I meant to say the hay isn’t free either. Unless you think a tractor, with a baler, all cost nothing, no diesel, no parts, didn’t cost nothing to buy that equipment, nothing to pay $6,000 in taxes for the field every year. Those are called “Costs”. It’s a way of saying “Reality exists” and are not in Marx’s academic fantasy he waves away with word by not looking at it. We account that using “money”. So $30,000 in hay equipment sitting around, the barn to store it in, baseline, PLUS gas and repairs for every minute run? Not to mention somebody having breakfast, stuffs his arm in a baler?
Well, that’s “Capital”. Capital costs, investments, expenditures. We’ll just use a scythe. Oh WILL you now? And who pays 50 guys for three days to hay the same and NOT get it into bale form? So you’re going to put on what is essentially a wedding party, with a buffet table for 50, tents and cabins, just so we can get a little hay? Ye olde fashioned way? Doesn’t that sound “Expensive”? Like: with money? You can erase the “Money” but the food, equipment, time, still exists. Waving it away doesn’t make reality go away. I had a math problem, so I outlawed math, all better. I had a gravity problem, so I outlawed gravity, no problem.
Yeah, we bale hay because it’s CHEAPER than getting 50 men together all week, which means that “capital’ is a net BENEFIT, allowing us to do more with less. That’s why we do it, it’s self-financing and self-amortizing, self-liquidating. We can more accurately measure and account all this by using MONEY as our measurement system, and roughly the “Cost” is equal to the parts, men, hours, food, diesel it takes to get that hay 200 miles. So can you see how it’s really expensive now, and why? That $100,000 truck is on the road and whose $100,000? Ain’t the government’s, they dgaf.
Now my horses in Kentucky can’t eat because I shipped my hay to Carolina. Right? That’s a cost. Because “Reality Exists.”
October 22, 2024 at 11:41 am #172140Dr. DParticipant“he USA has not been free for a long time, to prove it try supporting Palestine or try criticising Jews and you will see there is no “free”.
You criticize them all day and so do I. Huh. Funny how that works.
Same as saying all politicians are the same, there’s no democracy. That’s funny: looks like IN GERMANY, which is waaaaaay gone authoritarian, Schulz is terrified and pivoting like a windsock to save the election on the AfD/draft for Russia proposal. Soo….apparently there is SOME Democracy somewheres or he wouldn’t bother. Feurher Starmer is arresting everyone he can find because his Democracy is doing so well. If they already won, if none of it matters, why does this exist? There’d be no resistance, as you say. No one is awake, there’s no fight.
…Yet they’re both fighting for their lives, when there’s no enemy, we all gave up, right?
Well, carry on doing what it’s impossible to do and that nobody’s doing: criticizing everybody you feel like and having nothing happen to you, and so will I.
…But I won’t lie about it. So you didn’t notice…YOU…exist? You didn’t notice you were criticizing WHILE you were criticizing? When you go out in the morning, are you aware you go out in the morning and like, put your pants on and stuff?
“The tl;dr of this horse-pill of an article is that RFK Jr. is a clownish schmuck with no real moral center, and that the vaunted Kennedy legacy doesn’t really deserve to be all that vaunted.”
IS he though? Does he? “A guy said.” Wow, okay then, a lifelong lawyer suing the crap out of drug and environmental companies, what you been doing the last 20 years? Watching Netflix?
Yeah and in the above we just re-pointed that Carter called for the Secret assassination of world leaders, no UN, no trial. So no wonderful, peace-loving Carter. (duh) You go sit in the chair, ACT, and tell me how it goes, okay? “Well I was sitting here on my couch and said ‘Why can’t you just catch the ball’ you bums!!” Go do it. Write me a letter. Tell me all about it.
Speaking of, the latest bottom-of-the-barrel smear on RFK, is he was sexting a girlfriend of his and said he wanted to make her pregnant. Wow. So…over the top. SEX-ting. As in: Sex. Yes, that sex, honest. Well, with a record like that, never be President now! If only he said he’d kill an at-birth baby he’d be fine. HOW DARE HE? Ladies: SEX-ting your boyfriend, he says he wants you to have his children, shocking, out of left field? Or what? I mean who has sex thinking pregnancy might be related? That’s just crazy and disturbing, whut.
Yup, that’s where we are now. ALL humans, in ALL recorded history, in ALL nations, of ALL cultures who ever were, even up to 2001, would say we are completely insane, disturbed, deranged, pointless, feckless retards. And they’d all be right.
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October 22, 2024 at 11:57 am #172143OroborosParticipantOctober 22, 2024 at 12:01 pm #172144OroborosParticipantHappy Halloween!
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October 22, 2024 at 12:02 pm #172145OroborosParticipantOctober 22, 2024 at 12:04 pm #172146OroborosParticipantAnother Happy Halloween!
Two in one morning!
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October 22, 2024 at 12:06 pm #172147OroborosParticipantFor the Big Halloween Party this year I’m goin’ as a Woketard!
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October 22, 2024 at 12:08 pm #172148OroborosParticipantPublic Enemy Number One
October 22, 2024 at 12:14 pm #172149OroborosParticipantMore Halloween Joy
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October 22, 2024 at 12:21 pm #172150OroborosParticipantMore Costume Possibilities
Woke College Grads, a Dime a Dozen just like donut holes!October 22, 2024 at 12:32 pm #172151oxymoronParticipantSo the Appalachians. The devastation is heavily congested in waterways. In a MASSIVE catchment. So you know
2+2 = 4.
Rain and catchment plus annual and seasonal variability (plus weather modification). The problem with non-indigenous cultures is they have not had the long time lessons. Like – go there. Fish there. Hunt there. Drink there. Do not build your house there.
This stuff is covered in Mollisons Designers manual. In fire country do not build on steep slopes at the top of a hill.
Anyway – they will work it out but why oh why do pioneers never ask the brownies? Hey should we build a road next to a creek in a huge fucking gorge? Ah No says every Native American Indian ever.
Happened here on the Murrumbidgee River. Whole town swept away after the black fellas told em not to. But sheep like grass and farmers like sheep and bankers like farmers to pay em back and easy choices make short lives.
I feel for them. I wanted to live at the top of my hill for the view. But I thought about the future self in 70 km h winds on a 50 Celsius day and went – nah I’ll suffer not having views to keep the peace.October 22, 2024 at 12:54 pm #172152OroborosParticipantWell said.
It’s too bad stupidity isn’t painful up front.
Banks lending mortgage money to flush down the crapper creek.
The Duh’merican landscape is littered with jaw-dropping mis-locations of critical infrastructure as well as building and homes.
Condo’s like Hilton Head located on barrier islands.
The phrase “barrier island” not so much even registering a 15 watt nite-lite’s worth of recognition of possible danger…..
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Duh’merica, this one’s for you….
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October 22, 2024 at 12:55 pm #172153oxymoronParticipantAnatomy of a pew made me cry with laughter Oroboros.
October 22, 2024 at 12:58 pm #172154OroborosParticipantThe Empire of Lies has Titanic Infrastructure Issues
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October 22, 2024 at 1:00 pm #172155oxymoronParticipantI wasn’t trying to be overtly critical and like Dr D said recently reality exists like make your cost/benefit risk analysis work for you. I for example have a magnificent Eucalyptus Macrocarpa in the north west zone of my house. If it fell under high wids the house is safe the car port is fucked. I can live with that so the tree stays. If the house was in the danger that tree is gone – as is every single understory tree that is native. THEY ALL BURN LIKE TAR BARRELS. Plums and peaches and quinces etc do not so they get to be there.
If you want to live in peace make the judgement call and work. Don’t think – do. Thinking will get you killed doing will get you another day.October 22, 2024 at 1:05 pm #172156oxymoronParticipantGrey Box.
Such a hard bastard. When I chop oak it feels like creamy butter under my wood splitterhttps://www.fobif.org.au/admin/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/grey-box-pages-1-21.jpg
October 22, 2024 at 1:57 pm #172158jb-hbParticipant“I am prepared to go to extreme lengths, such as shaking my head sadly and proclaiming my love of Israel while watching events unfold if they do not adapt.”
Okay, now that is clear, you are willing to see Israel disintegrate and disappear. So when you say “Israel has a right to defend itself”, what does that mean?
It will be Israel’s problem to figure out what “defend itself” means in a post unlimited free shit era, not mine. It is up to Israel to decide whether to disintegrate and disappear. This will rely, not on browbeating Americans, but doing things (and not doing things) related to causality in the real world.
Are you just stating the obvious, that everybody has a right to defend themselves?
They may need to consider that time and memory and physical reality exists, taking that into account in their “defensive” moves. That would be their concern, though.
So Israel and the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves? So you are happy that Oct 7th was the Palestinians defending themselves?
Maybe it’s just not my concern to formulate feelings of happiness and unhappiness about every single thing that happens anywhere in the world.
I did ask a Republican friend of mine, how can Israel be “under attack” inside someone else’s territory? Be it Palestine, Syria, Lebanon…doesn’t Israel have SOME responsibility to have an awareness of when they are inside or outside their own country?
He argued well, they won that territory through war so it is fair.
Well, ok then fella, it’s fair for others to win territory from Israel then, isn’t it?
So he said “from the river to the sea, palestine will be free” means genocide.
I asked – why couldn’t it mean one man one vote, all people living in the territory dominated by Israeli military having equal citizenship rights? Wouldn’t it be free then too?
He said, but then Israel would cease to exist.
I asked – how do you mean? All the people would still be there, LESS of them would be dying, there’d be a government, armed forces, etc.
He said it would cease to be Jewish – So I asked if nationalist ethno-religious states are a good thing and he wouldn’t answer.
October 22, 2024 at 2:11 pm #172159zerosumParticipantLook
Building an inclusive world
BRICS 20 SUMMIT 24https://brics-russia2024.ru/en/calendar/
https://brics-russia2024.ru/en/media/photo/4-ya-vstrecha-zamestiteley-ministrov-finansov-i-upravlyayushchikh-tsentralnymi-bankami-stran-briks/https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/
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Press release on a briefing by the Foreign Ministry’s spokeswoman on October 23, 2024
https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1976944/https://brics-russia2024.ru/en/news/
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———-October 22, 2024 at 2:36 pm #172160OroborosParticipantJust like a dead whale on the shores of North Duh’merica
Pressto-chango!
How to rid the Global Majority of the Empire of Lies
Exploding Whale 50th AnniversaryOctober 22, 2024 at 3:01 pm #172161tbocParticipant“..interest payments on the national debt. These payments hit $882 billion in FY 2024, the Treasury report says. That’s a 35% jump from last year..”
Just for fun:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/briefing-room/2024/03/11/fact-sheet-the-presidents-budget-for-fiscal-year-2025/
https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/briefing-room/2024/03/11/fact-sheet-the-presidents-budget-lowers-costs-for-the-american-people/There is an increase in calls for some type of test to determine one’s qualification to vote.
1. Who writes the test is of more importance than who takes the test.
2. The majority of those calling for such tests could not pass a test i wrote.
3. I WOULD not pass a test written by those who wrote those two fact sheets referenced above. I might very well know the answer being solicited, i just would not supply the answer requested.Increase the budget of every federal agency an average of 4%, reduced taxes on all incomes under $400 thousand, increase existing subsidies and entitlements across the board
Reduce the deficit
Lower costs to the citizens of the USi admit i could not pass an arithmetic test written by those doing math at the Federal level.
i admit i would fail if asked “What was the best commercial during last year’s Superbowl. Not a clue.Merrick Garland: You show me the state attempting to exercise state’s rights and I will find the criminals.
Bring that shit home madafakaDon’t show me the weapons of mass destruction we gonna kill that madafaka. This vial contains enough bullshit to blow any sense of morality out of the Milky Way Galaxy. (powell colon)
Gonna sell Libyan oil and not use the petro-dollar?
Make that unlubed dildo of consequence edgy. (killery clingtone)guess it’s just me; Mr. Trump serving freedom fries at McDonalds to show his touch for the common man and RFK Jr. campaigning for a healthy America; a small mind and the hobgoblin of consitency
tabla rasa the – state of the moon and the US electorate on November 1, 2024.
October 22, 2024 at 3:29 pm #172163zerosumParticipantPutin meets with Chinese President Xi Jinping at BRICS Summit: LIVE UPDATES
https://swentr.site/russia/606060-russia-brics-summit-kazan/
22 Oct, 2024 05:21Around 20,000 delegates from over 30 countries are expected to attend the three-day international forum in Kazan
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• Musk Fires Back At Der Spiegel Over ‘Enemy No. 2’ Claim (RT)
The X owner has said he is “shocked” at the level of vitriol from the left
https://swentr.site/news/606013-musk-spiegel-enemy-trump/
( who is #1)
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(If Trump wins)
• Surprise, Surprise! (James Howard Kunstler)If Mr. Trump somehow, (WINS), overcomes the tide of bogus harvested votes, illegal alien votes, phantom overseas votes, voting machine swapped votes, lost-and-found votes, last-minute rafts of votes, and other products of the Marc Elias election sabotage machine.
You will know a real insurrection if you see it.
You already know the real reason the Democratic Party went insane: its crime spree against the citizens of this land was so obvious and outrageous that a thousand Beltway bureaucrats are now going crazy in fear of prosecution.
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“..while the Democrats accuse Trump of planning to use the military on the American people, the government is already making moves to do just that..”(If Trump wins)
• Alex Jones Issues Terrifying Post-Election Prediction (VF)U.S. Department of Defense Directive 5240.01, which is an absolute nightmare.
https://www.esd.whs.mil/portals/54/documents/dd/issuances/dodd/524001p.pdfWhat that directive does is that it gives the DoD the power to step in and use lethal force within U.S. borders, even against its own citizens, when it deems lives are at risk. Don’t want to wear a mask? You’re putting lives at risk. Lethal force could technically be used against you. Don’t want to take a vaccine? The same story exists. The potential for abuse is limitless here. The scope of this authority is chilling because the directive specifically states that the decision to use lethal force only needs the Secretary of Defense’s approval.
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It’s too late for a solution that will not change/destroy our societies/civilizations.
• US Interest Payments Top Defense Spending For First Time In History (I&I)
———October 22, 2024 at 3:36 pm #172164tbocParticipant3087 words for some obscure purpose
501 words in defense of personal inanity masquerading as moral and intellectual superiority3588 words
would it be considered a protest too much for a peccable solivagant wag to take a scripturient cacozealous pundit skilled in the art of murmuration to task for filipendulous pronouncement that never reaches acnestis?
only The Shadow knows
587 words today
October 22, 2024 at 3:38 pm #172165phoenixvoiceParticipantHit piece on RFK Jr
Here’s the thing: I’ve been aware of RFK Jr for around 25 years. The more I found out about him, the more media appearances (of all types) that I saw, the more that he wrote that I read, the more my respect grew. Then he ran for president.
Trump: I’ve been aware of him for about 40 years. His style always got on my nerves. He wrote a book about 20 or 25 years ago — which I read — outlining his political views, and what his positions would be if he ran for president. I liked much of what he said, but not all of it. I found his demeanor in The Apprentice overbearing. In 2016 I didn’t like him for president — I liked Hilary Clinton less, and voted 3rd party. In 2020 I voted 3rd party. I *still* do not like Trump’s bombastic style, but I am impressed with the group of people that he is gathering to advise him and work with him, I find that he comes across as respecting the office of US president, and that he has a good relationship with his kids and grandkids. The family relationships are important — they say a great deal about who a person is, and their values.
October 22, 2024 at 4:33 pm #172166thomasjkenneyParticipant@oxy re: ask brownie
Santa Fe Grade – OOPS!!!
This area is now largely wetlands wildlife preserves, with many duck hunting camps built with the same ‘disposable’ philosophy as Denninger documents re: Florida beach houses.
October 22, 2024 at 5:54 pm #172171zerosumParticipanthttps://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/10/election-musings.html#comments
Election Musings
The current presidential election cycle is the least attractive I have ever watched.Donald Trump is doing his usual talk giving promises which no one believes he will keep.
Kamala Harris is as disagreeable as many have feared. She is basically an empty vessel with a tendency to authoritarianism. The vessel is ready to be filled with whatever new war project the neo-conservatives – see Liz Cheney – are planning for.
Biden was and is clearly beyond the point of pursuing another presidency. Moving him aside was the best thing the Democrats could do. Offering Harris as a replacement – without any campaign, vote or legitimization – was the worst thing they could do. They will rue this mistake.
My hunch is that Trump will win the election. What policies will follow will largely depend on the people he will select to run the show. He had previously chosen people who were opposing and sabotaging his policies. He lacked the authority and/or will to rein them in. I do not believe that he has learned from it.
Whoever may win the presidency will anyway not make a big difference.
I expect the new president to double down on the anti-Russian project in Ukraine and on support for the genocide the Zionist are committed to finish. The U.S. will continue to be bogged down in Europe and west-Asia. The ‘pivot to Asia’ to counter China’s rise will continue to stall. The economic standing of the U.S. will continue to deteriorate.
This is good news for China, Russia, the BRICS project and those involved in it. As the old world order continues to drag itself down the new one gains time and space to evolve from it.
Posted by b on October 22, 2024
October 22, 2024 at 6:33 pm #172172Mister RobotoParticipantRussiaGate just really pissed me off with its affected neo-McCarthyism and total disingenuousness long before I decided to vote for Trump, should he run again, in later 2021. So someone who embraced RussiaGate in 2017 and then less than four years later embraced Trump, is never going to be someone who I look to for trustworthiness.
October 22, 2024 at 7:04 pm #172173Mister RobotoParticipantBut, if I am going to vote for Trump this time, I suppose I should give RFK Jr. credit, at the very least, for making it easier for His Orangeness to win.
October 22, 2024 at 7:19 pm #172174OroborosParticipantSomewhere on an island paradise somewhere
Bite me suckers!
October 22, 2024 at 7:20 pm #172175OroborosParticipantAfter Trump’s McDonald’s high five score
October 22, 2024 at 7:21 pm #172176OroborosParticipantBetter than a Dumb Blonde Joke
October 22, 2024 at 7:59 pm #172177thomasjkenneyParticipantBrain Drain continues: Several Linux Kernel Driver Maintainers Removed Due To Their Association To Russia
Quietly merged into this week’s Linux 6.12-rc4 kernel was a patch that removes a number of kernel maintainers from being noted in the official MAINTAINERS file that recognizes all of the driver and subsystem maintainers.
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This includes the maintainer of the Acer Aspire 1 EC driver, Cirrus Logic CLPS711X ARM architecture, Baikal-T1 PVT hardware monitor driver, Libata PATA drivers, libata SATA AHCI Synopsys DWC controller drivers, ASCOT2E media drivers, MIPS Baikal-T1 platform driver, NTB IDT driver, PPTP driver, Renesas R-Car SATA driver, Renesas Super-H Ethernet Driver, and the UFS file-system. Just the maintainer entries are being removed and not the actual drivers themselves.
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This is just dropping Russian maintainers from the kernel but isn’t clear if patches from them will be accepted moving forward. Similarly, the driver code remains within the kernel — including for Russian hardware such as around the Baikal CPUs from Russia’s Baikal Electronics. So right now it appears to be little more than just not officially recognizing any formal kernel maintainers that are Russian.Keep the work, because it is sorely needed, but don’t give credit…how fucking petty can you get? The band often breaks up after those kinda shenanigans.
October 22, 2024 at 9:51 pm #172189aspnazParticipantthomasjkenney said
Brain Drain continues: Several Linux Kernel Driver Maintainers Removed Due To Their Association To Russia
Quietly merged into this week’s Linux 6.12-rc4 kernel was a patch that removes a number of kernel maintainers from being noted in the official MAINTAINERS file that recognizes all of the driver and subsystem maintainers.
At least there are alternative kernels and you can be sure that the Russians and Chinese have their own kernels when using the GNU distribution. After all, the kernel is a tiny, tiny part of any distribution, but with the likes of Microsoft, Oracle, IBM and Intel involved in Linux kernel development in the past, who knows what government shite is in there. That woke politics is at work on the Linux kernel is no surprise, the hard work is not done on the kernel, the hard work is done on the distribution. Linux is a misnomer.
October 22, 2024 at 10:20 pm #172190zerosumParticipantOne more look. What will democrats do if Trump wins.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/will-democrats-accept-results-2024-presidential-election
Will Democrats Accept The Results Of The 2024 Presidential Election?Will Democrats Accept the Results of the 2024 Presidential Election?
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