Debt Rattle December 23 2024
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December 23, 2024 at 10:24 am #177601Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
René Magritte Meditation 1936 • Depression, Debt, Default & Destruction in 2025 -Martin Armstrong (USAW) • Inaction Over Ukraine Would Have Bee
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle December 23 2024]December 23, 2024 at 10:58 am #177604tbocParticipant“Ukrainians will need to revolt.”-RIM
headline caption of the year
After ten years of unequivocal support
“Ukrainians will need to revolt.”-RIMDecember 23, 2024 at 11:21 am #177605OroborosParticipantDecember 23, 2024 at 11:26 am #177606OroborosParticipant2025 Bigger Things Are Afoot
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December 23, 2024 at 11:29 am #177607OroborosParticipantReaching Back in Time for the Wisdom of the Ages
December 23, 2024 at 11:33 am #177608OroborosParticipantDecember 23, 2024 at 11:37 am #177609OroborosParticipant2024 Year in Review
Let’s give 2024 a hearty Thumbs Up all around!
For that special holiday gift for someone who has everything
December 23, 2024 at 11:54 am #177610tbocParticipantjb-hb reference your post 177574 yesterday that started with a reference to a missing person
democratized corruption is the description i offer you
for a starting point – the arrival of the charming couple from Arkansas in 1993 followed nine years later with Greenspans observation of “Infectious Greed”
the social networking for advancement purposes had the advantage of the revolution in communication
the savings and loan adventure, “White rock?” – Enron, the store was open
Clinton’s NATO adventures sealed the situation as lawless
self-aggrandizement has undergone a narrative upgrade and became self-realization and self-fulfillmentall bills and resolutions are produced by interested parties
at every level, seen and unseen, selling a contact for personal profit is the network
this is not a minority position, this is a vote of the majority thusly engagedback to your earlier post. no one filed a missing persons report and no one knew the persons location
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John McCain and H.W. Bush are national heroesyou and i just have no idea of what is being done, but it is being done very puposefully and quite well
December 23, 2024 at 11:54 am #177611OroborosParticipant
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December 23, 2024 at 11:57 am #177612OroborosParticipantA Nation Demoralized and Soon to Be Depressed Big Time
Even the vending machine lost their Mojo
December 23, 2024 at 12:26 pm #177613December 23, 2024 at 12:29 pm #177614OroborosParticipantEmpire of Lies just gotta do it’s thing….
December 23, 2024 at 12:30 pm #177615December 23, 2024 at 12:47 pm #177616OroborosParticipantDecember 23, 2024 at 12:49 pm #177617OroborosParticipantDecember 23, 2024 at 12:52 pm #177618OroborosParticipantAI is going to Mind Phuck the World
I asked Grok to create a picture of Demonrats “helping” western North Carolina after the hurricane:
December 23, 2024 at 12:53 pm #177619OroborosParticipantDecember 23, 2024 at 1:38 pm #177620poppieParticipantDecember 23, 2024 at 1:39 pm #177621poppieParticipantDecember 23, 2024 at 1:40 pm #177622Dr. DParticipant“New Ethics Inquiry Details More Trips by Clarence Thomas Paid for by Wealthy Benefactors” The Guardian
Still at it. Why do they hate strong black men so much? Is it that the British are hard-core racists, or what?
“The Earliest Known ‘Country’ Recording Has Been Found. The Singer? A Black Man.
An 1891 song by Louis Vasnier deepens what we know about the genre’s origins.” The Washington Post“No one was allowed to record when black except all the people who were allowed to record and get famous.” There were never any black people in country except all those who were. There were no black billionaires except all the Black female billionaires who lived up the road from JD Rockefeller in 1920. Yup, another day. Every day, year after year, my whole life with this. Yet tomorrow it’s the same: Black/Gay/Women never did…super spy code-cracking math work…except for the hundreds or thousands who did. Nothing happened except for all the everythings that happened. BothNeitherAii.
“How the Right Claimed ‘Crunchy’ : Once, eating whole foods and avoiding toxins was associated with a lefty worldview. Now, being a “crunchy mom” is more often about “health freedom.”The New York Times
That’s easy: you guys are now billionaire, war mongering, PMC, clown-painted cube hamsters. Anyone who isn’t terrified of germs and hides under the bed from chickens is a Republican.
“7 Chinese Nationals Arrested On Guam For Illegal Entry During Key Missile Test
We know this kind of thing is going on. Can you at least be normal and not let them play on “Easy” mode? Same with letting them own the land around, and run drones from, every Base in the whole U.S.. Mr. Congress.
“Senate To Be Replaced With Room Full Of Monkeys Throwing Feces” –BBee
“why did he spend $44 billion on Twitter? Because he knows things you don’t – like the many things, books full of things.”My point exactly. And also Trump. He’s read all the Top Secret documents, plus on every Congressman and CEO, but Chad at Facebook says he’s stupid and doesn’t know what Chad knows. Uh-huh. I‘d say ESPECIALLY when everything is a total lie “Knowledge is Power”. But that goes with something else: when your whole society is lies, then your whole society is powerless. Wasting all its time and energy punching at shadows.
Dems Suggest Elon, Not Trump Leading”…Says Party where Biden isn’t leading.
“I’m sorry, Trump is not going to have a blissful administration, and he’s not going to prevent the economic decline.’”
In a way, yes of course. There is only “Let’s Scuttle the Ship”. That was put in motion in 1971 or 1979. There’s no fixing a direction and concerted actions of 50 years.
“There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency” — Mises
And BOTH sides want it collapsed: unless the money is fixed, the bad guys stay in power. Everything, all sacrifices are pointless then. The only question is:
WHO IS IN CONTROL OF THE REBOOT.
WHOSE vision is “Built Back Better”? I think we’ve already seen a lockdown/constant vaccination by class, location, and political party/CBC/Eat Ze Bugs vision they have in mind is not the one we want. That’s what we’re fighting for at this time unless you want to get the other 80% of the people off their -sses and reestablish the Constitution and rule of Law. I’m down with that but it’s called “work” and nobody else will.
““Yes, cash, physical paper money. We just had two hurricanes here in Florida. This idea of Bitcoin and CBDCs are very nice, but what’s the reality? The internet was down for 10 days. A credit card did not work. You wanted something, it was cash only.”
Armstrong and these other guys! C’mon, be an “Expert” and don’t ask, don’t keep up with anything, your own expertise: Money. No, My Sir, that is totally false. I can transfer money instantly on any cell phone and I guarantee you they were not out. This is an advertisement for how much BETTER Crypto is than Credit cards. Also – you JimmyHat – YOU CAN’T USE CASH REGISTERS EITHER. They run on the same d—n system, so what’s the difference? They are all hard-core mainframe PCs that have to be directly connected to the Internet home office. Are you high? No one is taking cash either, you fool. Or not Kroger’s, not Home Depot. Joe’s FenceCo can for a few days, but that’s not much, the whole system would need to change. (Largely the need to mainframe is GOVERNMENT, by design, as it exists exclusively to enforce expensive tax compliance. THEY are causing the high expense and fragility.).
Anyway, he says this constantly, which means he’s never talked to anyone. C’mon you’re smarter than that, it’s frustrating. All old guys are talking their book. When young guys say something, they handwave and ignore, delighted in their foolishness.
Aren’t cell phones even more high-tech, expensive, and fragile? Yes, but only in a way. If you were in the NC flood, a single drop of water can take one out. There are only spotty towers that if go down, get full, lock out the area. Yeah, well, it only takes ONE car, one 12v charger to keep a phone up, too. There are few towers, so their attention is riveted on getting that one thing fixed and on a generator, not every wire in the whole county. Is that better or worse than copper lines on mudslides? Well, we’ve seen Cell Phones DO work, never go down, and are everywhere because it’s a key #1 Disaster repair device. I can put one in my pocket and go up the mountain, have grandma call home and also list out, call the hardware store and see if we have XYZ before driving there on a missing bridge.
Okay, now note you can put your money on that too, and not Apple Pay, but direct person-to-person. Not that I would, for my cousin Juan, I would use cash, but the Hardware store and gas station is inoperable until the fiber optics come back up and this can fill the 3-day gap. Anyone who’s goofed around with a single Crypto account once – on exchange or off – knows this.
“• Western Aid Covers Nearly 90% of Ukraine’s Spending in 2022-2024 (Sp.)
Free healthcare for everyone! And lavish pensions too! As long as you’re not American, the sky’s the limit!
““..Moscow could immediately declare a ceasefire and start peace talks as soon as Ukraine leaves all Russian territory, including Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson, and Zaporozhye regions.”
Possibly, but why would they? Then NATO wins only HALF of Ukraine, and waits for next year.
“• Trump Threatens To Take Back Panama Canal (ZH
Well I don’t understand any of this. Why we gave it – simply gave it – to China in the first place, and now on what premise we think we’ll “Just Take” it back. Whatever. The Law is just a suggestion these days. It’s pretty crazy. In the big sense, what is the U.S. doing? As Trump says of McKinley? We’re on the Monroe Doctrine, and it’s been tarred, but what is it supposed to mean? Europe don’t set up rival puppet states in the West to topple us. Uh, USSR in Communist revolutions. But that’s a generation past now. Now the WEF is using the UN (EUROPE) NGOs to invade and conquer. Sound similar? Okay, and Panama? Yeah, we built it because it’s the only viable way to link our East and West coasts. THAT is why it exists. Sound slightly more reasonable now? Now I’m not for puppet regimes, if you want it, make it the 51st state, but can we all get on the same page of why it matters?
“• Trump Resurrects Idea Of Buying Greenland (RT)
Meh. Why not? We’re printing the money right now anyway – might as well get something for it a day before we default. But maybe Denmark will send out their army and stop us.
““Led by the bumbling, malapropism-prone Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock, the Greens act like the German branch of the Biden State Department.”
Yes, and the Biden State Department acts like the fist of Klaus Schwab.
“(AfD), the conservative upstart party now polling at 20% of the national vote. In a more recent poll, 68% of AfD members said they would defend their country “with a weapon in their hand”
But I thought it was 68% would defend RUSSIA? Surely this is a misprint, Der Spiegel, Die Walt.
“compared to just 22% of Green Party supporters.”
Like greens everywhere. TAKE stuff, do nothing. And PS plant no trees, CUT them instead. As Green as Poland and Eastern Europe under the Soviets.
“Forty-thousand Ukrainians have been killed or wounded defending an incursion into Russian territory near Kursk, according to NATO intelligence”
That can’t be right, Ukraine says they’ve only lost 40k ALTOGETHER, not in just one battle in 6 months. You must be mistaken, everyone assures us practically no one has died in this war where 1,000 drones are in the air at a time, each one of which can take out a platoon.
But over 3 years and 1,000km front, they lost less than this.
““Germany is not merely in a mess; it also has a dysfunctional non-elite that is in total denial about how to fix that mess..”I’m sorry, I thought they said “American Elites”
“With regard to Europe’s Sick Man on the Spree (there is another one on the Seine, of course),”And also on the Thames, worse than either. So I guess the wealthy, well-oiled and powerful nations are Portugal and Greece now?
“Europe’s former economic locomotive and political first-among-not-so-equals is now a very unhappy country, economically in severe, persistent decline and politically – to put it kindly – badly disoriented.”That’s because they’ve been back-takeover by the EUSSR. Socialism always has the exact same effect, no matter how often you abuse and redefine the WORDS. But I said this a decade ago: Germany was an economic powerhouse? Hahahahaha! They gave REAL goods in exchange for GREEK IOUs. Who’s the dummy now???? That is to say, they haven’t been rich since the day the EU began. They increasingly traded real payment for illusions, and the wages of VW workers reflected this. Because unlike Baerbock Green, flying private charter and eating Tokyo Waigu, the wages of workers are tied to “Reality”. Politicians are not.
“A motion to ban the Alternative for Germany (AfD) is unlikely to move forward,”
I’d ask if this is legal but nevermind: like Alice, we do 10 illegal things before breakfast usually.
“AfD actually putting forward motions for direct democracy in the country”
Very smart, that’s pretty hard to counter. If you have the will of the country, it’s easy to rule this way.
““If I lose 5 percent of my generated revenue by going to Europe, I will not go to Europe… I’m not bluffing..”
• Qatar Warns EU That Tough New Regulations Put Gas Supplies at Risk (Sp.)This is very odd and convoluted, but this was literally how Europe thought they were going to rule the planet: by nagging and scolding and shunning people. This process of “Access to European Market” was going to keep them in the Colonial Superposition, even with the U.S. and China. I mean, in a way, yes, I understand that, but in another way, Jesus that’s so thin and so complicated, why would it ever work? And thus it hasn’t. One guy stands up and tells the truth and the whole Colonial Empire pops.
“”Oh dear,” says God, “I hadn’t thought of that,” and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. “Oh, that was easy,” says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.” ― Douglas Adams Black was always White, don’t you know? See WaPo, above.
“Soldiers are quitting by the thousands despite a 6% pay raise. Europe has no serious armies left.
• British Armed Forces Shrinking – Telegraph (RT)Yes but only for 50 years in a row. Let’s not be hasty. And 6%? I think that might be after a 50 year decay of wages that puts every man on food stamps. How about a FIFTY percent raise? Just to get somewhere in the zone of average wages?
“• Has Disney Finally Learned What ‘Go Woke, Go Broke’ Means? (Sp.)Nah. Critical Drinker (Scots) brought this up, with some charity. 100% of all comments said “No way: Disney just goes to the edge, and as soon as there’s resistance, pulls back and waits there.” They will never “Stop”. NEVER. They’re mentally ill. And no one trusts them. You’d have to fire EVERY EMPLOYEE, remember.
They had a great idea though: have a “Disney Twink” (Actually, “Disney Glitter”) that provides all of these shows, on a second studio name, structure, like Touchstone, 1984. They are free to be as gay as they want to be, and to win or lose by the revenues they receive. Oh wait – what’s that? They’d be bankrupt in 10 seconds because there’s no audience for that stuff? Yeah, we know, now why are you sapping the host like some vicious parasite? YOU KNOW this is true or YOU would do it. But you don’t WANT to do it, you want to Steal Disney’s money and name to do it, and wear them like a skin suit so you can horrifyingly slip inside American Homes to touch their children.
Capitalism. So if it WORKS – even to a minority audience, which it might – they are free to win, lose, complete, NOBODY’S STOPPING YOU. Do it! Live your dreams! As BPD Mentally Ill, they cannot distinguish between DOING things, and STEALING things. All objects are really MINE. Like children. I don’t care how, I want it now! Since to make my own movie, get my own money for my movie takes work, why not steal yours? Then even better, you’re too broke to make movies people like! Win-Win!
She was a Bad Egg.
Again: MAKE YOUR OWN STUFF. No one’s stopping you. If you want Socialism, buy 50 acres, do Socialism with all your friends and tell me how it goes for you. If you want a gay book for yourself or your 4-year-old, go ahead. I can’t and DGAF to stop you all the time. That’s Free Will. But stop making me PAY for it. And ruining all MY books and movies.
Yeah, no, they will never-ever stop. Ever. If they are so shattered there is but one tiny bit left of the original 100 year old IP, 50 years from now, maybe all this will be forgotten, but not ‘til then.
““The petitioners, illegal border crossers from El Salvador, India and Mexico, demanded they had rights to stay despite court orders requiring their deportation..”
Totally baffled as to how that works. And apparently USSC is too. If you are a CITIZEN of another country, you have rights in THEIR country. Any rights or privileges we give you are completely voluntary. That’s what “Sovereignty” means. If not, the only logic is that ALL the planet are really American citizens, which is indeed how they act. But they can all vote, so I don’t see why not. You already pay us
taxestribute.“a federal district court dismissed the case, arguing federal courts don’t have jurisdiction over certain discretionary agency decisions.”
So you’re saying a Bureaucrat can do anything they like but a Court can’t do anything about it if it’s illegal. Riiiiiiiight. Yeah, that’s like Exxon ruling to the moon. No. If anything the #Opposite of that. So since we’re in #OppositeLand everyday, I guess that makes sense, BizarroMan.
“The transition team of US President-elect Donald Trump hopes to pull the country out of the World Health Organization (WHO) the first day of the new administration”
Um, Me guess you couldn’t be arsed to PASS A LAW that would put the WHO IN A TREATY. So now the President can just leave because you didn’t follow any legal, moral, procedural, or judicial rules to put us there? Am I warm?
Yeah and Roe V Wade too. Let’s not ever pass that even when the USSC tells you to.
Calvin and Hobbes: Male Logic. This may have something to do with why we have Female input on such things.Those are the nicest hornets I’ve every seen. That hive is still alive. BTW, ground bees do the same thing. Underground. Pretty amazing.
“Even in literature and art, no man who bothers about originality will ever be original: whereas if you simply try to tell the truth (without caring twopence how often it has been told before) you will, nine times out of ten, become original without ever having noticed it.” — C. S. Lewis
December 23, 2024 at 2:01 pm #177623Dr. DParticipantDecember 23, 2024 at 2:14 pm #177624zerosumParticipantToday is tomorrow!
Counting money that doesn’t exist.Depression, Debt, Default & Destruction in 2025 -Martin Armstrong
Depression, Debt, Default & Destruction in 2025 -Martin Armstrong
By Greg Hunter On December 21, 2024“Our computer has been projecting that we are going into a depression in some areas and a recession in other areas.
A depression most likely in Europe and a recession in the United States up until 2028. . . .“We have a serious, serious problem on a global scale. . . .
The sovereign debt crisis is really going to start percolating in 2025.
So, if the government goes into a sovereign default, what happens?
You wipe out the banking system and the pensions.”
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When you say “restore the country,” restore what? The realities on the ground.
Gaza … Ukraine …
————Illusions, Dreamers, Bulling, MAGA, Trump Proofing the USA
Hehehehe
“I can proudly proclaim that the Golden Age of America is upon us,” Trump said.Trump pledged that his “dream team Cabinet” would deliver a booming economy, seal U.S. borders and quickly settle wars in the Middle East and Ukraine
We will demand that the Panama Canal be returned to us, in full, and without question.”.
• Trump Resurrects Idea Of Buying Greenland (RT)
Make “The state of Canada with Trudeau as governor.”“For purposes of national security and freedom throughout the world.”
———–December 23, 2024 at 2:51 pm #177625OroborosParticipantPolitical power is a derivative of the Power of Culture
Not the other way around.
December 23, 2024 at 3:09 pm #177627DoraParticipantRFK Jr, event 201.
RFK Jr Asks Why Bill Gates & the CIA Were Hosting Event 201 Together in 2019
“You have in New York City Bill Gates hosting a coronavirus pandemic simulation. His co-host is Avril Haines, the Deputy Director of the CIA. What is the CIA doing at a public health forum? They don’t do public health. They do coup d’états.”
December 23, 2024 at 3:19 pm #177628NoiretteParticipantTrump blusters a lot, he is a NY bizman and show man.
He is going to take ‘back’ the Panama Canal, buy Greenland, invade Mexico, this last not mentioned at top post. https://tinyurl.com/yp22bwv4
You bluster, threaten, refuse to talk, slam down the phone, swear to the skies or to the loyal secretary, and the next day, take a less confrontational stance, talk to someone else, one level down from the top brass, or an ‘ally’ in some other biz, etc.
I haven’t read *The Art of the Deal* but this book accounts for much of Trump’s popularity in the World. Idk how many translations were made, but as he would say, *Huuuge.* Incl. Korean, Russian, Arabic, etc.
for ex. https://www.goodreads.com/work/editions/1224415-trump-the-art-of-the-deal
Everybody knows this about Trump so he is not taken seriously unless his foolish statements can be used for some advantage, which imho is almost never the case.
Now, about the UKR war, to wind it down, cancel it (24 hrs remember?) this electoral promise must be at least seriously attempted. Sure, this is all just an extension of the usual US-Bi-Party support vs. critcism of ‘wars’ (devastation of X countries, one or the other faction pretends to be vaguely against), Yet…
Trump stopping US support for UKR and ending that ‘war’ will have to be done quickly, so that he can blame Biden, Zelensky, EU / NATO, for the endavour / the loss, in various ways. If it lasts, for more than say 3 – ? months, he will have to share the blame, as he will be seen as incapable of shutting it down.
So a quick move is on the agenda, this means that MAJOR concessions will have to be made to Russia. Territorial, sure, and Trump might, will? agree to those, like who cares about the borders of the Donbass?
The sticking point is that Russia will demand the ‘total’ guaranteed *Neutrality* of UKR, in effect a regime change, a cancelling of some elements (recall, de-nazifaction..) a new Int’l status, see Austria afer WW2, say.
The ploy of a ‘frozen conflict’ (temp. cease-fire etc.) with ‘some peace-keepers’ on the ground that is being pushed (by Dems) can’t be accepted by Russia.
December 23, 2024 at 3:24 pm #177629phoenixvoiceParticipantDr D
WHO IS IN CONTROL OF THE REBOOT.This probably is the most important issue. Institutions are toppling, society is fraying. We can’t keep it all together. How will it be knitted back? Will it be the ladies of the French Revolution, knitting the names of those to be killed? Will it be this generation’s Bolsheviks, Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, or Hitler? Or those connected with the WEF and Bilderberg Group? Or will it be this generation’s George Washington, Lincoln, Oliver Cromwell, or Ghandi? The values and and beliefs and character of those who steer the reconstruction will be of tantamount importance.
Sure, with no internet the cash register does not work but paper and pencil and a human who legitimately passed high school can still calculate figures…ha-ha, except for those silly stores (Kohl’s) where the displayed prices are digital. Not doing business because the internet is down is a choice, not a requirement.
Elon Musk did not buy Twitter because he knew more than the rest of us. He bought Twitter because it is a favorite, shiny toy. He disliked that Twitter was being run in a way that caused his shiny toy to malfunction — for Twitter to work the way that Musk wants, there must be a large measure of free speech on it. Otherwise, it is too boring and “flat.” With free speech, the Twitter toy is vibrant. Twitter is absolutely not “the town square” — it is Elon Musk’s very large, private courtyard. He finds it most entertaining when all are invited to frequent it. Perhaps, someday, we will truly have a “town square” that resembles “X,” but when we do it will be a public entity, maintained by government and/or some sort of publicly held institution (non-profit, B-corp, cooperative, or coalition of some sort.)
December 23, 2024 at 3:35 pm #177630NoiretteParticipantHappy Hollidays to All 🙂
December 23, 2024 at 3:40 pm #177631tbocParticipantreinforce agreement incapacity and revive The Monroe Doctrine
bomb Iran
antagonize China
MAGADecember 23, 2024 at 3:40 pm #177632my parents said knowParticipant“the golden age of America is upon us!”
Or maybe the gold-plated tungsten age….
with a wink to oroboros.December 23, 2024 at 3:47 pm #177633my parents said knowParticipantWhere did you go?
It doesn’t make sense.
Alas, you have died-
You’ve become the past tense.December 23, 2024 at 3:50 pm #177634zerosumParticipantMass destruction of defenses allows Israeli attacks on Iran via Syria
After dropping nearly 1,800 bombs over around 500 targets in Syria, the Israeli military command said earlier this month that it has destroyed the vast majority of Syrian air defenses.The Israeli Air Force now assesses that it is capable of safely conducting operations over Syrian airspace after achieving air superiority in the area.
According to Israeli media outlets, the quick dismantlement of Syrian military capabilities now allows the occupation to use Syrian airspace for long-range strikes on Iran. Syrian air defense array was described as one of the strongest in the region. However, with the fall of the former regime’s government, the Israeli occupation quickly violated Syrian sovereignty and launched a large aerial campaign on the country.
Seeing that forces that assumed power in the country could not operate these systems, Israeli warplanes made quick work of the defenses, destroying nearly 87% of Syrian air defense capabilities.
This includes Russian-made Pantsir and Buk air defense systems, which played a crucial role in engaging and thwarting Israeli strikes on the country in the past.
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https://english.almayadeen.net/news/Economy/escalations-with-iran–hezbollah-cost–israel–billions–isr
Escalations with Iran, Hezbollah cost ‘Israel’ billions: Israeli mediaIsraeli daily Haaretz highlighted the growing economic burden on “Israel” amid escalating tensions with Hezbollah and Iran, emphasizing that the budget will be breached for the third time this year. The article pointed out that the government has not adequately prepared for an expanded confrontation, raising concerns about the long-term fiscal implications of the ongoing war.
The newspaper reported that the recent escalation with Hezbollah and Iran has resulted in costs estimated between 10 to 20 billion shekels, which is approximately $2.6 billion to $5.2 billion.
The newspaper emphasized that these additional costs are calculated before considering the potential loss in tax revenues and the uncertainty surrounding 18 billion shekels (over $4.7 billion) in aid from the United States, whose arrival remains in doubt.
This development follows Standard & Poor’s announcement on October 2 regarding an immediate downgrade of the occupation’s credit rating, coupled with a negative outlook. This came just days after Moody’s also issued a double downgrade.
In this context, the Bank of Israel projected in May that the costs arising from the war could reach 250 billion shekels (approximately $66 billion) by the end of next year. This figure encompasses military expenditures and government costs, including housing for thousands of settlers who have evacuated from the North and South. This amount represents roughly 12% of “Israel’s” GDP.
December 23, 2024 at 3:59 pm #177635jb-hbParticipantWhy WOULDN’T the west just say fine, Ukraine is in the Russian sphere of influence. FINE. And walk away?
It’s like a newly-rich person buying a big expensive boat – a hole in the water you throw money into. And then watching his capital drain into it.
You can lend 10x on the assets, then 10x on the hypothecations of the assets and 10x on the re-hypothecations of it, ok. But Ukraine sucks money IN not OUT. It takes power from Europe instead of providing power to its grid.
Why should the Russians EVER let it be profitable for the thieves who overthrew it? At what point does the pyramid of leverage go to bits due to zero generated income? I guess the income is billions in “aid” as opposed to something Ukraine makes or does of value? Fuck, just invent “Fake Corporation”, have it be in trouble, give it “aid” if this is the key to leveraging worthlessness into Masters Of The Universe capital.
They already did all the leveraging and can’t figure out how to de-leverage and walk away now? Or they’re trying to fix Russia’s attention on Ukraine while they wait for their dirty tricks teams to topple Russia some other way? Just maintain the war and we’ll be able to leverage all of Russia, which is all we can imagine to get us out of the jam we put ourselves in with Ukraine? Just keep fighting and/or jawboning until the intelligence guys can do their thing?
There’s a quote from God Emperor Dune I can’t find right now. Something about (from the Emperor) “I’m a super-predator that kills off all the other predators in my territory. That’s what rulership IS. I and only I get to be the predator here.”
That rings true to me. Real rulers wipe out quite a lot of the other predators because their flock is THEIRS. The Good Shepherd. Not only the Bible good shepherd but the good shepherd of Shunryu Suzuki’s Zen Mind Beginner’s Mind. Both. Or imagine a parasite that kills off absolutely any other parasite that shows up and takes active care for the health of its host.
Those times when there was tyranny, even when a strong man was blamed – in fact, ESPECIALLY when a strong man was blamed – you see middle managers given freedom – freedom to act outside of social and cultural norms. Freedom to misbehave. Freedom to rub in your face that they can do something and you cannot do the same, that shit rolls downhill. THEIR democracy.
Seems to be some sort of grave error on the part of the people at the top – if they loosen all restrictions, all restraint on the organs (be they state, NGO, etc) that serve them, then they’ll have even MOAR power – but instead, millions of upper, middle, and lower level managers start indulging themselves – they are free from criticism and punishment now! They test the waters further and further, watch and learn from their peers doing the same.
I don’t think we see these things in a well-run Monarchy where the people’s rights aren’t trampled on and the King keeps the Bureaucrats that serve him from self-indulgence. We don’t see these things in traditionalist setups. We DO see them when the message is that we have to cast aside our traditions, our normal social and cultural restraints, for some vague better goal.
So the “Hitler/Stalin made me do it” is just a symptom of middle-managers given free rein to self-indulge and then backpedaling.
I do wonder if the Ukraine fiasco grew out of a groupthink middle manager death spiral. And having tangled everything up so bad, people at the top can’t seem to figure a way out of it that doesn’t involve more middle managers coming up with some new scheme? STOP trying to handle things this way. Just start firing them. Just keep firing and firing them until it becomes apparent what jobs aren’t getting done anymore and then re-fill those. And just stop trying to manage and control everything everywhere. Managers want new things to manage and put on their CV, yes we get it. You’ll find that your power and resources are greater while you magically have a lot less problems to deal with. FIRE them.
Fire them and publicly jail them and shame them according to the traditional values of your actual power base. Then you’ll see them stop using swat teams to kill squirrels. That’s YOUR power base being degraded, that’s YOUR resources being used for THEIR self-indulgence. At least as undesirable as embezzlement, but stupider.
Elon Musk saying take 2 years of severance, just fucking find something else to do — the cost of you being there on the job is 100x worse than us giving you a 2 year vacation.
December 23, 2024 at 4:02 pm #177636OroborosParticipant
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December 23, 2024 at 4:16 pm #177637OroborosParticipantDecember 23, 2024 at 4:18 pm #177638zerosumParticipantFunny bookkeeping.
They already did all the leveraging and can’t figure out how to de-leverage and walk away now?
You can lend 10x on the assets, then 10x on the hypothecations of the assets and 10x on the re-hypothecations of it, ok.December 23, 2024 at 4:32 pm #177639jb-hbParticipantNazi Germany conquers almost all of continental Europe. What do its representatives tell the conquered peoples? “We’re bringing a New Order to Europe”
Superficially, this seems to be the case. There’s the appearance of top-down “efficient” control, visually there’s the Hugo Boss uniforms and futuristic half-tracks.
It does kinda LOOK like you could describe this as efficient soul-less materialism taking over, waging conquest against humanity and spirit. That’s the OPINION I’ve read over and over for decades.
But in actuality, Nazi Germany was horribly disorganized, backwards even. In the late 30’s, when Germany showed USSR representatives their latest tanks, the USSR folks were angry, outraged, assumed the Germans were hiding their current stuff – okay, now show us your REAL tanks! 1941 they couldn’t take Moscow because all their vehicles broke down on the way there. The German army was sent a few new vehicles and 750,000 horses. Their supplies were arriving on 2,000 mile roads made of wood logs.
Behind the lines, they had an incredibly chaotic morass of feudal lords, competing bureaucracies, and incompetent “lords” at the top of those bureaucracies – Udet heading the Luftwaffe’s new aircraft development was a comic tragic disaster all by itself. Winter uniforms stuck in Polish warehouses. Hitler to Guderian: “No, there is no winter uniform problem, I already fixed it three times” Meanwhile Germany is doing clothing drives for the soldiers sending them trainloads of mismatched home-knit sweaters, scarves, and mittens because, despite the clothing issue being 3x fixed, the clothes aren’t actually there.
The chaotic feudalism AND SUPERSTITION within Nazi Germany COMPLETELY REFUTES the idea of soul-less materialist efficiency trying to spread and dominate over the human spirit.
The Nazi regime FREED people from constraint. “I can say things to people I could never get away with before. I can do things to people I never did before. And they can’t do shit back to me. Sure, I have to grovel and debase myself to my superior, have to effusively agree to immoral nonsense, but I didn’t have integrity or pride in myself to begin with.”
Why did the German machine lose? Because it ended up producing 99% heat, 1% work. The masters at the top, trying to award themselves ultimate power, awarded everyone from their appointed feudal lord of Bavaria down to the traffic cop freedom to use their position for self-indulgence, sucking energy out of every level of the system.
You don’t need to discipline the general populace with an iron fist by empowering your managers. You need to discipline and restrain your manager class.
December 23, 2024 at 4:32 pm #177640Mr. HouseParticipantYou guys realize cutting 2 trillion from the FED budget only takes you back to 2019. Such an accomplishment! Yeah Dr. D, its been 1,000 years since we didn’t have electronic everything, people will never accept cash………. They’ll take bottle caps if you’re important enough and tell them its money.
December 23, 2024 at 5:09 pm #177641D Benton SmithParticipantSo long as ambitions of Empire roam free, no one anywhere is safe. Here’s what happened to Syria,
which is merely the latest in a long long long LONG series of crimes against humanity designed to feed EMPIRE. https://youtu.be/sMf6VJOvdBo?si=TELz7xlTOUVv44T4December 23, 2024 at 5:26 pm #177642D Benton SmithParticipantIt’s only feels like tyranny when you don’t like what the tyrant is doing to you. The rest of the time it feels just hunky dory , especially when the tyrant I/C allows (or encourages) others to do a little tyranting of their own on those less fortunate or powerful than the Tyrant Apprentice First Class In Training.
That’s how America got built, and the “winners” of that particular and short lived genocidal tyranny will tell you that those good old days were so GREAT that they want to do it all again! Make America GREAT, and all that shit.
Thanks, but I’ll pass if you don’t mind. Let someone else be a pack of murdering thieving liars for a while.
December 23, 2024 at 5:28 pm #177643jb-hbParticipantThe activities of the people being paid the 2 Trillion being cut are 1000x worse than the expense to employ them. The next Trillion may be bad too, but not AS bad. Keeping the first 2 trillion worth on the payroll but changing their duties to sitting in a dark room unbending and rebending paper clips all day would STILL be better than continuing to do their current jobs.
How many man-hours a year does the IRS take from people? How could those hours have been used differently? What productive activities did they deter from ever occurring? What did it cost to pay them to do it? If you add up all THEIR hours and all OUR hours and divide by 70, how many human lifetimes were effectively enslaved/wasted?
There’s an ammo shortage. Why does the IRS need a billion bullets and a million firearms? Maintaining them so they don’t rust, practicing on them, costs money. How much could they be sold to the public for?
Back before the Great Society, big-brains went over the idea of public welfare and came back recommending – just give EVERY AMERICAN an equal payment. Because administering welfare will create such a waste, you’ll get more help to the needy people by just doing a flat universal payment.
Maybe there’s some way to block all welfare and charity EXCEPT the universal payment? You fire all the welfare and charity administrators nationwide, replace them with 6 IT professionals to run the server farm. One $85k guy and his 5 $65k guys. $20k bonus yearly for doing things correctly.
Blue-Square “But that’s unfair, the needy need it the most”
Q – “are you for abolishing the Electoral College?”
Blue Square: “Of COURSE”
Q – “Because on a direct-representative basis, Blue Square is the majority?”
Blue Square: “Oh definitely”
Q – “Blue Square are the ones dedicated to helping the needy, not like those other Big Meanies?”
Blue Square “Absolutely”
Q – “So you won’t mind the majority of the country each making their own choice to give their welfare payment DIRECTLY to someone in need? With all you Democrats giving your aid away DIRECTLY to needy people with no middle men, the needy will have more support, not less, even if Republicans donate zero, so this is great, right?”
“And you won’t donate it to political movements or your own buddies, right? It’ll go to actual needy people, I’m sure?”
Blue Square – “Nooooooooooooo”
How many hours of human activity are taken up with getting welfare? How much in total does our society spend on administering it? Add in the NGO’s and all their 6-figure people doing “charity” work. How much money went to non-helping activities? How many hours of administration and interaction WITH the administrators total happens yearly – divide by 70, how many human lifetimes worth of enslavement? But we took it from you an hour here and hour there.
How much are we spending on ADMINISTERING the education system? How much time do we have to spend dealing with these administrators and their ever-changing ideas? How much wasted time, trouble, money, etc comes from these administrators wanting kids to be given various kinds of drugs or surgeries or ideologies? How much time and money is being wasted by FBI administrators defending education administrators from the local PTA moms? Keep firing and firing FBI administrators until you cannot see any more tracking of PTA moms as terrrris.
Every time you turn over another rock – PTA having trouble with administrators… FBI getting involved.. AHA! More administrators! Excellent! More people we can fire!
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