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    René Magritte Promenades d’Euclid 1955   • WHO Looks At Giving COVID19 To Healthy People To Speed Up Vaccine Trials (G.) • Fears That UK Will Not
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle December 7 2020]

    #66513
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    So sad on the climate change front. Speculation in water – wow, just wow.
    On rising fruit and vege prices – so if Aussies have to pay their own folks a living wage (instead of paying foreign workers a substandard wage) then prices will go up? Lots of stories like this in Canada too. Pathetic excuses for countries if we can’t pay our own nation’s workers adequately to provide one of the few things we literally can’t live without.

    #66515
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Peak Oil never went away, the whole picture of it is just more complicated than we thought it was twenty years ago.

    #66516

    Did someone here yesterday really try to link people like Doc Robinson and myself to “anti-mask sociopaths” and “anti-vaxxers”? That really happened? No questions allowed then? Pfizer own data, once you look behind the facade, simply don’t look encouraging. Why would we want to bring people false hope, especially given that mRNA vaccines’ effect on immune systems is as untested as GMOs? The cost/benefit analysis makes very little sense. That’s what we’re here to discuss, not to glance over all that and cheer on shoddy science just because so many are desperate.

    #66518
    John Day
    Participant

    Ware County, Ga has broken the Dominion algorithm:

    Using sequestered Dominion Equipment, Ware County ran a equal number of Trump votes and Biden votes through the Tabulator and the Tabulator reported a 26% lead for Biden.
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1335557576587665408.html

    #66519
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Yes, commented on vaccine article.

    Lots of election news, new fun each day. Walls being breached all over, obviously not reported. Too complicated and fast-moving to bother following.

    MI was allowed inspection of machines, I hear. Alito ups the ballot date, it seems. All pretty predictable if you read anything. This is very like the vaccine/disease thing. We all read it and were mostly dead-right, the media dead-wrong. All good examples of why we allow dissenting views and even seek them out.

    And why if you are against freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, freedom of expression — and incidentally, some of these same guys are jailing, firing, purging, institutionalizing, and book-burning like any modern-day blackshirts — you can be pretty sure you’re the Baddies.

    Note to self: Do the good guys quietly LISTEN to the other side, find out what they think and why, then calmly address their concerns while expressing their own opinions, or do they REFUSE to listen, shout them down, call them names, and use raw violence to force their fellow man to “Do what you’re told”? “I know better than you, I cannot be wrong, it’s for your own good”?

    Good guy. Bad guy. White hat. Black hat. This isn’t hard. Watch any movie, TV show, or read any book and tell me which is which. Which are you?

    #66522
    John Day
    Participant

    This is edgy-but-fun (unconfirmed scuttlebutt)
    5 million counterfeit ballots from China? No Problem!

    Chinese Royalty Claims 5 Million Counterfeit Ballots Were Printed in China – Shares Phone Call and Pictures

    #66523
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Changing focus: ominous rundown on what nations do when bankrupt. Like back-bill you for all the medical monopoly money they spent should you ever make a nickel afterward? They already do this for some Welfare.

    How about more or less requiring the liquidation of your whole estate so you kids can’t inherit?
    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=240857

    I’ve been hearing this winds in other corners too. How about we erase your 20K student loans — now interest-expanded to $200k — if you just promise to “Own nothing and like it”. That is, cede your house, all property, and live in a concrete flat in Moscow Cleveland where the only way life is tolerable is with VR goggles in your Second Life?

    Speaking of “Utopia” lots of movies and premonitions about this too.

    Rough stuff. Sounds like you need a Black Market (i.e. Capitalism) and hidden property that’s invisible and takes up no space. Like Bitcoin. BuyBuyBuy.

    This is your GFR, your WEF, your “Raw Green Deal”, “Misery spread widely”, i.e. Socialism, NeoFeudalism, where THEY own property, but you don’t. Using raw violence to make it all go down. A boot stomping on your face. Forever.

    #66526

    We pollute our aquifers to make fuel. We cut down mountains for fuel. We use up water, foul farmland, and raise corn and sugar beets to feed our cars.
    We are unlikely to stop. When “they” take it from the little guy, there will always be some “national security” need to keep doing it. You wouldn’t expect a fancy guy to stop flying to really really really important functions, are you? It isn’t going to end until it’s all used up- everything, everywhere.
    Depopulation will work for a while- there’s a lot of energy in a human body.
    (Sorry, but it’s coming.)
    “In 2007, an eco-boat called The Earthrace broke records by circumnavigating the globe in under 61 days. But if that’s not a special feat in and of itself, it did so–in part–powered by human fat. Three members of The Earthrace crew actually underwent liposuction for the challenge; their combined 2.5 gallons of fat produced almost 2 gallons of fuel, which was enough to go 9 miles out of their 27,600-mile journey.”

    (from: Petroleumservicecompany “deiselhumanfatfuelcar”)

    #66527
    John Day
    Participant

    Blog’s up. You already saw the scoops.
    https://www.johndayblog.com/2020/12/who-counts-votes.html

    ​Bill Barr might resign as AG by end of year, according to the NYT. (Why?) I would ignore the analysis offered here, since it presumes a different situation on the political battlefield than what we are seeing. Barr also might-not-resign by end of year. Barr is Bush-CIA-Deep-State.​ Watch him.
    Barr served as Attorney General under President George Bush, before becoming the general counsel of GTE Corp. which eventually became Verizon – making him a multi-millionaire.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ag-barr-may-resign-year-end-report

    ​Alan Dershowitz is evil pedo-island scum, but he is a live-player.
    ​Attorney Alan Dershowitz said on Sunday that he believes the Supreme Court may get involved in adjudicating on whether state legislators have the power to pick alternate Electoral College electors who would vote for President Donald Trump if legislatures determine there was voter fraud, even after an initial slate of electors has cast its votes on Dec. 14.
    “The unanswered constitutional question is do they have the powers—state legislatures—to pick electors after the voters vote if they conclude that the voters’ count has been in some way been fraudulent or wrong?”
    “That is a constitutional question we don’t know the answer to, and the Supreme Court may get to decide that question if a state legislature decides to determine who the electors should be and changes the electors from Biden to Trump – that will be the key constitutional question,” Dershowitz said.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dershowitz-says-supreme-court-may-rule-let-legislators-pick-alternate-electors

    Alito Moves Up Deadline For Supreme Court Briefing In Pennsylvania Case, Bringing Within ‘Safe Harbor’ Window To Intervene
    ​ ​Originally, Alito set a Wednesday deadline for the state to respond to GOP Rep. Mike Kelly’s lawsuit alleging that a 2019 state election reform, known as Act 77, violates both the state and federal constitutions by creating a so-called “no-excuse mail-in” voting regime.
    ​ ​Many took the Wednesday deadline as political theater, as it would place the case outside the “safe harbor” window which requires​ ​that controversies “concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors . . . by judicial or other methods or procedures” to be determined” at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors,” according to Law & Crime.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/alito-moves-deadline-supreme-court-briefing-pennsylvania-case-bringing-within-safe-harbor

    Demand destruction drives the price of oil down, so that only producers of the-easy-oil can keep pumping it.economically.
    US shale-oil is a goner.
    Currently, however, the threat of a major oil glut is very high. Markets should realize that the recent deal is a diplomatic effort to present a “success story to the press” while in reality members have been given the opportunity to do what they see fit to do. The cartel will be happy with $50 per barrel, but there is only so long prices can stay this high with the current market conditions.
    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/The-Worrying-Truth-About-The-New-OPEC-Agreement.html

    #66528
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    Response to: Finding the Truth behind the American Hologram (CoIC)
    “Now can you imagine the outrage when they are told they have to drastically reduce their living standards to prevent catastrophic climate change…”

    I find this to be a false flag. Perhaps the top 5% of households by income in the wealthiest nation states who would experience this “outrage.” Why? Because they are the households that do the larger share of polluting with their lifestyles and who own and benefit from shares in the large corporations raking in profit from the current system. For the rest of the human population of the planet, that would not be the case. How do I make this assertion? Mostly from my own life’s efforts to reduce my own carbon footprint, and seeing how easy it is do in many areas. And from an understanding of how the current economic system functions.

    We live in a society that has decided that it is preferable to go out and purchase something new and ready made or as a kit rather than craft it from items already on hand, already available. This is one of the factors that drives our consumption. People have lost the understanding that the creativity involved in using what one already has on hand, the process of crafting something unique is very fulfilling process of learning and growth. It doesn’t matter whether the “items on hand” are fall leaves or plastic yogurt cups, humans have an innate creativity that our consumptive society has blunted into choosing products to define oneself. Re-using and repurposing items is simply a different habit, it doesn’t reduce quality of life — in fact, it may enhance quality of life.

    Another example can be in transportation or appliance use. Building brand new electric cars is a large expenditure of natural resources, involves destroying native environments where the lithium is being extracted, and oil in the plastics for the parts. Alternatively, we could keep the cars we already have running well, make parts for them, and engineer new cars that are designed to be repaired and upgraded, so that cars are not designed to be junked after 5 or 10 years, but rather used for a few decades. The same could be done for our appliances. “Quality of life” is not diminished by repairing and upgrading existing products rather than endlessly junking old ones for new.

    Single-use plastics are rampant. Does quality of life diminish when we use paper or other simple compostables for disposable items and in other areas increase our use of reusable items? Yes, there might be a few more people with jobs washing dishes in our restaurants, but that is a vast improvement over oceans polluted with plastic. Do the items we purchase really need to be packaged in clear plastic, or any plastic at all? Humankind existed without disposable plastics for millennia — is our quality of life truly bettered in a significant way by using disposable plastics, rather than using either older methods (beeswax infused cloth, or a rubber seal with a glass lid and metal enclosure) or a reusable newer method (a flat, thin silicone disk or silicone seal with lid and metal enclosure) rather than plastic wrap to cover a food dish in the refrigerator?

    Of course, the economy I’m describing here is one that would not be pushing for endless consumption. Without endless consumption, we cannot fulfill capitalism’s need for endless expansion of the economy. Without endless consumption, we cannot fuel a monetary system that grows by creating new debt for every dollar (or other form of currency) created. The greatest beneficiaries of the current economic system are those who sit towards the top of that pyramid. And, yes, those who currently sit at the top of the economic system would experience an enormous shake up in their lives as they found themselves without the economic power they currently enjoy. That is why it is so difficult to change our current system, and move towards significant carbon reduction. To do so would require a different economic model, with different outcomes, no need for endless growth, different economic priorities. And a shift in priorities would disempower those currently in power.

    But, please, don’t try to tell me that we are stuck with this mess because the majority of the people are too addicted to Walmart, Amazon, and Dollar Tree to change their spending priorities. Advertising has been driving the priorities of “the consumers” for a very long time, and advertising is paid for by those who profit from it, and profit from the behaviors it engenders. Advertising (a flavor of corporate propaganda) could be used in a widespread way to encourage behaviors that reduce consumption. But what economic titan in the current system would fund that type of widespread advertisement?

    In the past hundred years or so our chemists and physicists have found myriads of ways for us to manipulate carbon molecules into a plethora of uses. Do we really suppose that if we re-purposed those minds to manipulating other types of molecules, ones that have a less deleterious effect on our planet, that this wouldn’t work? Do we have recourse of action to address climate change and eventually reverse it? I believe that, yes, there is cause for hope. But not with the economic and political status quo. I could make a call to revolution — but I don’t have to, because the seeds of destruction of the current status quo are already all around us. Yes, it would be wise to voluntarily go down the path of creating a new economic system that is not based on endless growth on a finite planet — some humans are pioneering this route — but, unfortunately, history shows that very often change does not happen in a smooth, linear fashion. Change often comes about with large disruptions and violence, because people with power are usually loathe to lose that power. Yes, the people in power right now would experience “outrage” with a migration to an economic system that sees themselves with diminished power. The rest of humanity, however, might breathe a collective sigh of relief.

    #66529
    John Day
    Participant

    “Amen:
    That is why it is so difficult to change our current system, and move towards significant carbon reduction. To do so would require a different economic model, with different outcomes, no need for endless growth, different economic priorities.”

    #66530
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “California has had a nearly identical case trajectory as Texas.

    In TX, schools are open. Businesses are open. People can go for a walk.”

    Perhaps, just perhaps, the books are being cooked. What is so hard to understand about “we live in an age of fraud”? If the cancer (fraud) isn’t removed or punished, it will spread to every other part of society. Just my two cents, no one is above it, don’t care what your “title” is.

    #66532
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Just reading a mention of the magazine WIRED makes me ill.

    In memoriam:

    Mondo 2000

    #66533
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Another great comment.

    “Christophe says:
    December 7, 2020 at 2:10 am

    Anonymous wrote, “The result is a mess where people subconsciously believe death can’t happen unless Covid does them in. So of course the vaccine will be frantically rushed: the people doing it, and planning to get it, genuinely believe that they can’t die from it, but they will die from Covid; so it doesn’t matter how bad the vaccine is, it will still be considered better than the alternative!”

    Cripes! That would explain so many of the self-destructive behaviors we’ve seen recently. I believe good old Ockham would have bestowed an A++ on you for this one, Anonymous. If Covid is just our newest personification of Hades/Pluto/Hel, then the gods truly do still stride across the land with heavy footfalls. What a fascinating idea…

    Mask wearing is just signaling membership as a worshiper in the cult of the Great God Covid. And not so much social signaling to each other, as desperately, wretchedly hoping to catch the fleeting attention of that cruel and capricious God. “If I wear the plaid mask today, will Almighty Covid deem me, his most humble and obsequious servant, deserving to beseechingly, grovelingly exist for yet another day?”

    All the bizarre disinfection rituals and “social” distancing are nothing but futile propitiations to this new God of Death, that he might find them worthy of his fickle clemency. “Make every surface in thy abode like unto a sanctified altar to our Beloved Covid who reigns in the sterile realms of Death. And perform ablutions upon thy unworthy hands whenever thoughts of His divinity should enter thy awareness. And keep thee the sacred distance, that the planets too not stray and collide out of their protected spheres.”

    The curfews ensure that none will dare to defile the Great God Covid by venturing out during his jealously guarded hours of gloom and pestilence. Next they will tell us we must close and shutter our windows at night to protect from the miasma (and to preserve His hallowed darkness.) “The day is for frivolous, worthless men to scamper about in vain, but the sacred night belongs to our Mighty God. Keep ye this commandment or face the dire consequences!”

    And the cries for salvation! I almost want to weep listening to their impassioned pleading for some totem of protection. “Almighty Covid, bestow upon us a vaccine, derived from a piece of thine very own sacred body, that we too might partake in thy divine strength! This gift we will receive obediently in thy holy name. And woe betide those unbelievers who would disobey and forsake such a divine gift, for truly they will suffer for an eternity in the shadow-filled realm of Covid, the bringer of Death!!!”

    I think the Age of Reason may have truly come to a close.

    May whim and fantasy reign supreme with each mayor and governor delighting in his own caprice! At last, doctors can once again cavort round their bubbling cauldrons while incanting their charming mythologies to their disciples. Tiny magical vials, containing all our hopes and dreams, can be sent out on great pilgrimages across the continents to bestow their blessings on all the peoples. And, like Rumpelstiltskin, our farthest planet can throw one, last, mighty tantrum before disappearing into a chunk of ice. A mythic age has begun!”

    #66534
    Boris Seymour
    Participant

    RE: Texas and California –
    “California has had a nearly identical case trajectory as Texas.
    In TX, schools are open. Businesses are open. People can go for a walk.”
    CDC figures show:
    Cases / 100K
    4,323 – Texas
    3,316 – California
    Deaths / 100K
    78 – Texas
    50 – California

    #66535
    Bill7
    Participant

    Mr. House said: “Perhaps, just perhaps, the books are being cooked..”

    Hear, hear! Wouldn’t that best fit the facts? If not, where exactly is the excess mortality, pray tell?

    #66537
    Bill7
    Participant

    ‘The Covid-19 Vaccine; Is the Goal Immunity or Depopulation?’, by Mike Whitney:

    “..Here’s what I think is currently going on in our country and across much of the western world. A public health crisis– that was manufactured and gamed-out before the initial outbreak in Wuhan, China –has been used to short-circuit long-held civil liberties, strengthen the authority of political leaders, collapse the economy, dramatically remake basic social relations, and impose absolute control over work, school, gatherings and recreational activities. Public policy is now set by unelected technocrats who operate behind the cover of lofty-sounding organizations that are entirely controlled by the world’s biggest corporations and richest oligarchs. President Dwight Eisenhower anticipated this troubling scenario 70 years ago when he said:

    “Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”

    Bingo. This is the state of affairs in America today. All real power has been conceded to a globalist oligarchy that operates behind the curtain of corrupt government officials and public health experts. This begs the question of whether the hoopla surrounding the Coronavirus emerged as a spontaneous and appropriate reaction to a lethal and fast-spreading pandemic or whether the hysteria has been greatly exaggerated (Infection Fatality Rate is 0.26% or 1 in 400) to implement a transformational political-social agenda that will not only eradicate democracy and basic human rights, but also pave the way for dangerous vaccines that will dramatically curtail population growth..”

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-goal-immunity-or-depopulation/

    #66538
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    Mr.House so true that so many of the covid rituals are about as effective as religion (some may be worse owing to their unintended consequences). It is as if suddenly everything we did health-wise has no significance. All that matters is that we carry out the rituals, which are pronounced from on high – our gods.

    #66539
    Mr. House
    Participant

    @bill7

    His scenario rings more true to the reality most of us are living, but you won’t be able to convince certain people. They can’t fathom that the people in charge want to hurt you.

    #66540
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    John Day (in yesterday’s comments): “What is the relative risk between each vaccinated group and each placebo control group, of feeling bad enough to stay home in bed for one or more days?”

    Data such as this seems to be withheld from public knowledge. The media relies on the limited information that the drug companies put in their press releases. For example, the Pfizer press release disclosed these numbers about side effects:

    “The only Grade 3 (severe) solicited adverse events greater than or equal to 2% in frequency after the first or second dose was fatigue at 3.8% and headache at 2.0% following dose 2.”

    This leaves out any “severe” reactions reported by less than 2% of participants.
    This also leaves out all of the “moderate” reactions.

    I had to look back to some Pfizer trial data published in August to find what is considered to be a “moderate” and “severe” reaction:

    A fever of 38.9°C (102°) qualifies as a “moderate” fever.
    Headaches and fatigue and muscle pain are considered “moderate” if they cause interference with activity (to qualify as “severe” it would have to prevent daily activity).

    So this Pfizer data indicates that an undisclosed percentage of their vaccine recipients had side effects bad enough to cause interference with activity, and 3.8%,of recipients got fatigue that prevented daily activity, and 2% of the recipients got headaches that prevented daily activity. (These are just the known side effects in the short term.)

    Once the public vaccinations begin, I expect there will be significant numbers of people who are unhappy about their bad experiences with the side effects. Word-of-mouth stories from family and friends will be more persuasive than a press release saying that the vaccine is “well tolerated across all populations.”

    It seems that a media campaign to downplay side effects has already begun. Some recent headlines:

    USA TODAY
    Side effects from the COVID-19 vaccine means ‘your body responded the way it’s supposed to,’ experts say

    Washington Post
    ‘Absolutely normal’: Covid vaccine side effects are no reason to avoid the shots, doctors say

    The Philadelphia Inquirer
    COVID-19 vaccines can cause side effects. Here’s why that shouldn’t stop you from getting the shots.

    Science
    Public needs to prep for vaccine side effects

    CNBC
    Trump Covid vaccine czar says side effects ‘significantly noticeable’ in [only] 10% to 15% of recipients

    Pfizer press release
    https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

    earlier Pfizer vaccine trial data published in August
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2639-4/figures/3

    #66541
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “Now it is 1984
    Knock-knock at your front door
    It’s the suede/denim secret police
    They have come for your uncool niece

    Come quietly to the camp
    You’d look nice as a drawstring lamp
    Don’t you worry, it’s only a shower
    For your clothes here’s a pretty flower.”

    #66542
    Bill7
    Participant

    I just finished the Edward Curtin piece, and I thought it was just superb. How refreshing and rare these days to read something with the ring of truth in it.. maybe it’s not a coincidence that he was one of the very few, early on,
    to call the panicdemic for what it was. Bravo, Mr. Curtin.

    #66543
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    I learned yesterday there is such a thing as a Zoom office Xmas party. In a business run by two credentialed psychiatrists.

    Everybody under 40 found an excuse not to be there. Over 40’s knew too well where their bread is buttered and endured the nightmare folly.

    Jesus wept.

    #66544
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    phoenixvoice: your entire comment was thoughtful, well written, and quite lovely. Thank you for taking the time to post it. Quote: “I could make a call to revolution — but I don’t have to, because the seeds of destruction of the current status quo are already all around us.”

    I agree.

    There’s this rather fascinating idea held by many that the majority of Americans are represented by the people you see on Twitter, Real Housewives of wherever, HGTV (house flips), our TV advertisements, our political leadership (cough, cough, hairball coming up), those in the top 10% living extravagantly in 5,000 sq foot houses, etc., etc. That couldn’t be further from the truth.

    I read a comment once from a person who honestly believed Americans never hang their washing up to dry. That we only tumble dry our clothes. I remember thinking, just where did you get THAT idea?

    Very [VERY] few Americans I’ve met are onboard with, or live their lives embracing, the pointless waste, the endless wars, the declining work ethic, the victimhood mantle, and all the other rubbish that is peddled as the “American People.” If you want to know Americans, you need to leave the coastal areas and turn off the TV.

    PS … “Greece will insist in this week’s European Council on a European Union embargo on selling arms to Turkey.” As well they should. Erdogan is probably clinically insane. I have felt sorry for Greece for so many years. What a beautiful country that has become the whipping post for the European Union. My heart goes out to you.

    #66545
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    One needn’t leave the coastal areas. Just talk to people.

    #66546
    zerosum
    Participant

    The biggest killer of truth for seniors is the web.
    Or should I say, “the web make available all kind of knowledge, at the push of a key, what used to take brains, time, money and dedication to acquire.”
    Tomorrow, Virtual Learning.

    #66547
    Bill7
    Participant

    > One needn’t leave the coastal areas. Just talk to people.

    If only it were so easy! One of the masterstrokes of the [faux] left and wokesters, who both IMO actually work
    for the Very Few, is to make so many words and ideas simply off-limits to polite (or any) conversation..
    PC has been a long term project, and it is paying off well for the aforementioned. See Ed Curtin’s piece:
    anyone not going along with the neoLibFascist plan is simply labeled a “deplorable”, and either
    dismissed, or unpersoned.

    #darkAge2020

    #66548
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    Since 1634 America has been a settler colony and then nation. It is fertile ground for newborn religions from the Quakers and Southern Baptists to the Mormon Corridor. After closing of the frontier, Jonestown and Waco lit up. MAGA is the latest rebirth.

    Corporate media is ignoring it hoping it will go away. But it can’t when so many middle-class lives have turned into hellholes.

    It is not unlikely in 2021 that the pandemic will continue rage with no national public health system. The Trump Family stays in the White House. The Pentagon continues to bomb the 3rd world and prepares a first strike on Russia and China as the war with Iran escalates. The Biden Administration runs either coast from the DNC on Russian hacked computers. Adam Schiff and Jerry Nadler are chief honchos of the mandatory vaccine program in rural America.

    #66549
    oldandtired
    Participant

    @Zero sum,

    The biggest killer of truth for seniors is the web.

    I would have thought that most seniors would be educated enough at that point in their lives to suss out the truth for themselves? The internet to me has just become the next iteration of the boob tube.

    That’s why I find myself here, at Mr. Mejier’s blog- here is a fair-minded man with fair-minded commenters!

    #66550
    WES
    Participant

    John Day:

    It is sad, even here on the TAE, only a few seem the least bit concerned about the massive election fraud!

    The 87 and 113 or 0.26 number is exactly what Sydney Powell said it was.

    But again nobody cares.

    #66551
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Response to WES, who was following up on John Day’s comment about our US election and the idea that no one, even on TAE, cares:

    I continue to be astounded at the level of fraud taking place in this election. Some mornings over my first cup of coffee (reading TAE) I think, “Wow, this election is actually going to be overturned.”

    Then I realize the chances of that happening are slim because “the powers that be” won’t allow that to happen. But if anyone thinks having Biden (aka Harris) in office will end this… y’all are under estimating Americans (see my previous comment).

    The Trump Phenomenon is not just about Trump. If idiot leftest democrats think this is going away, they’ve got another think coming. Everyone … EVERY SINGLE PERSON … I know is utterly fed up with the radical left nonsense.

    It might take years to shake out. I may not be alive to see it. But make no mistake. This will shake out. Forget about the current rantings of the “blue check” democrats, the bleating on MSM from both the left and the right coasts, and the whining background noise from the [large] urban areas dolloped around the country.

    Drill down and take a close look at the breakdown of the voting in this country. Geographically, the vast majority of the US is red. And the vast majority of those red areas are the people growing food, generating energy, providing water, and actually WORKING to keep things going.

    Think those blue dollops are important? Think that the big tech and the big finance and the big healthcare “GDP” that those areas generate are important? Really?

    What goes around, comes around. It be comin’ around.

    Like I said, I may be dead by the time this shakes out, but do not underestimate Americans. We cut our teeth on revolution (no offense to Britain intended).

    #66552
    John Day
    Participant

    @WES, It’s bigger than the election fraud that got JFK in, instead of Nixon. This really does seem much, much bigger and international, hence actually treasonous.
    We shall see how this plays, but no path is good.
    That being said, I really believe that honoring the real votes of Americans will be far better than not, especially this time.
    So much scheming has been done, and it needs to fail.

    #66553
    Geppetto
    Participant

    @madamski wrote:

    “I learned yesterday there is such a thing as a Zoom office Xmas party. In a business run by two credentialed psychiatrists.

    Everybody under 40 found an excuse not to be there. Over 40’s knew too well where their bread is buttered and endured the nightmare folly.”

    Jesus wept.”

    Ah! The bread!……at my old age I have only begun to understand ..*status quo*. If the kids succeed in burning this bitch/bastard down…I have informed them that I may not have enough energy to help them build the NEW WORLD……..so take it easy ok?

    🙂

    Oh yeah…and about those clitoris enlargement pills….do they work for ….well…you know..

    hahahaha!

    #66554
    WES
    Participant

    John Day:

    Yes 2020 election fraud is in the multi-millions compared to JFK/Nixon election fraud.

    I remember Nixon when conceding the election to JFK, saying “You won this election fair and square!”

    What most people don’t know is by saying that, Nixon was saying to JFK that his people had done a better job of stuffing the ballot boxes than his people had!

    #66555
    WES
    Participant

    When it comes to using energy wisely, in my field of electricity, great strides have been made in my life time.

    The one that touches everybody is lighting. First we had incandescent lights which created more heat than light. Then florescent lights which produced more light using less energy. They still however generated a fair amount of heat in the process of converting electricity to light.

    Now we have LED (light emitting diodes) lights. These have moved the process of converting electricity to light to where most of the electricity is converted to light not heat. The impact of this lighting revolution can be seen in the reduced demand for electricity from power companies. Naturally they are not too happy about this.

    Another area strides have been made is in electric motors. Usually when buying industrial electric motors you have the option of paying more for a more efficient electric motor.

    Computers which seem to effect everyone on the planet are far more energy efficient than the old 1980s desk top computers, especially the display monitors. Remember the heat emitting CRT monitors? You could warm your hands from their heat!

    So, despite all the moaning and groaning about the environment, some things are getting better.

    I have a cottage in the 1000 islands of the St. Lawrence River. When I was a boy, in 1970 the river was so clogged with seaweeds, that one could see ducks walking on top of the mats of weeds floating on top of the water!

    Then they banned phosphates from laundry detergents. They also instituted strict septic tank/tile bed rules. No more dumping raw sewage directly into the river as many were then doing!

    There was one island cottage doing just that! One night some cottagers on an adjacent island, after a few beers, went over and plugged the sewage hose with cement, causing their toilet to back up! A few days later the sawed of cement hose was seen on the ground!

    So over time the quality of the water flowing in the river has greatly improved. How do I know?

    We have seen the return of wild life that wasn’t there in 1970. We now have loons, osprey, bald eagles, and swans! Loons will only come if the water quality is good. Today you can clearly see the bottom of the river and there are no longer mats of weeds floating on top of the water.

    Now everyone is using 4 stroke outboards verses the old 2 stroke outboards that required oil mixed into the gas.

    So yes progress is being made. Some people just choose not to see it.

    #66556
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    Here is a link to an excellent assessment of the vaccines and their impacts. Jon Barron may not be known to most (not an MD) but he is extremely knowledgeable in the area of immune systems. He sells herbal pathogen destroyers and other products prepared for elite athletes but his assessment of the vaccines is that they are useful. Note: according to him, you need to have some reaction to the vaccine (fever etc) to indicate that your body has generated an immune response. Worth the read and written for the lay person.

    The COVID Vaccines and What They Mean

    #66570
    zerosum
    Participant

    “It is sad, even here on the TAE, only a few seem the least bit concerned about the massive election fraud!”

    We have been conditioned all of our lives.
    No proof of wrong doing.
    Yes, I still vote
    Yee, I still enjoy watching Xmas lalalang reruns.

    #66572
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “we could keep the cars we already have running well,”

    We already do this constantly in the muscle car hobby, because new cars stink so bad mechanics don’t prefer them, despite that each day the non-computer cars recede 50, 75, even 100 years into the past. You can buy great new blocks, rockers, carburetors, parts, all to new metal specs far better than imagined in 1965. The car will indeed keep running another 45 years, and it’s easily provable that saves far more energy, far more environment than a new electric, which are both higher BTU initially and impossible not to scrap in 10. It’s the old “1970’s Volvo is the most ecological car at 17MPG”. It already exists. It’s creation is already amortized.

    “we cannot fulfill capitalism’s need for endless expansion of the economy.”

    Why is this a need? Capitalism has existed as long as people and that wasn’t needed before. What would you call the long slumber of the Middle Ages? Did people not make and sell things? Was the government all powerful, centrally planning each person’s day? Did all people live on a Commune? So what Capitalism do you mean? Honestly, because we find a lot of problems are with aggregating or being unspecific with words. The Left is having this right now as many say they’re not in the Global Reset, that it’s not a “Leftist” view.

    As you note, changing emphasis, but even keeping “Capitalism” it would all straighten itself. But we don’t have Capitalism. When debt is too high, they hand infinite money to insiders to forestall bankruptcy, then alter all laws and norms, set up more protected monopolies by force and central edict. Sounds like a King or Caesar to me. …If they collapsed as they should, A) it would never have got that bad, bc no bailout 1994, 2001, 2008… B) the debt would be wiped out, prices would drop (like houses and colleges), competition would return. I propose it’s the debt that drives the over-consumption. If you don’t protect the debt with guns-n-fraud, then no prudent person would ever allow zero-down 5% NINJA loans and 5-figure credit lines for bankrupts. The economy would SLOW. Like to a sustainable level. A cash-basis level. Only a government-protected central bank can force such recklessness and income inequality. And by FORCE I mean, when you set up this system, you legally demand people work faster and faster, transfer more to rentiers, or we throw you in the street or in jail.

    Election is so vast with so many moving parts right now it beggars mentioning. It’s enough that like a tide, it’s breaching the levee everywhere, in so many places is scarcely matters where. ..Which is what John Podesta said back in July TIP War Game? …Not in details but what did “we’ll lose and fallback” mean? Lose so far back that they ultimately have CA, OR, WA secede? …Or rather, the tiny 1/3 of those states on the coast and minus San Diego. I.e. The “Nation of Jefferson”, easily re-absorbed on imminent failure like the CHAZ. …You know, the Chaz that only days after creation, erected a wall, borders, and their police shot two black children in a hail of 300 bullets?

    So again, why did Podesta assume they would lose in here, at the point the Pentagon counted heads and picked sides? And that’s what’s happening.

    It’s more important to reveal it than even to fix it, and that takes time. They’re using the now-polished slow-walk method of leaking bread crumbs to the press, so they deny A, then B, then C, then D, now down to Q. …Although granted they still religiously say “baseless” “without evidence” tossed in every 3rd sentence all day. But like Hunter, reporting it just puts it in public mind. If they have to deny it, Americans figure it’s true. …Gee, I wonder why.

    So on slow walk, they’re in “Safe Harbor” day, and like virtually everything reported, a fact that isn’t real. There is no such constitutional date, so therefore the Constitution overrules State and Federal customs and laws. Alito did carefully dodge this added objection by changing his case to this morning, 8Dec. however. Why add trouble? But they make up everything and ignore the Constitution all the lives of all living men, so now is no different. The rules are what they can enforce and get buy-in for. What is it, 70% think the election was rigged, including 30% of Democrats? 58% of Georgians want to erase the vote and send to the Legislature?

    It takes time. So they made the time. What else can you do? So Dominion, paper boxes, re-tests, re-counts finally chew through nationwide. “Confirming Electors” and “certifying the vote” means nothing. Hawaii already showed that. Better, when the fraud comes out, it means they committed knowing felonies by confirming known fraud. They had a chance and they picked sides.

    And if you want to know why GA is stalling so hard, note that the day Gov Kemp changed his mind and allowed any election inspection, his daughter’s boyfriend died in a car crash the next day. Coincidentally, of course. And so will anyone else who pops up their head. Again, coincidentally of course. Completely on accident.

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