Debt Rattle January 10 2023
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January 10, 2023 at 9:45 am #125666
Raúl Ilargi Meijer
KeymasterDorothea Lange White Angel Bread Line, San Francisco 1933 • No One Doing ‘Enough’ For Ukraine, Foreign Minister Says (RT) • ‘We Are Facing The
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle January 10 2023]January 10, 2023 at 9:59 am #125667Just Some Randomer
ParticipantAnecdote of the day, regarding the Turbo Cancer article above:
Yesterday evening my wife got a call from one or her gardening group friends. The friend’s sister (late 40’s) had just been diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, having had no previous health issues or history of cancer.
That’s 2 ‘Anecdotes’ in the same day. The pace is picking up….
January 10, 2023 at 10:23 am #125668Germ
Participant“The pace is picking up….”
This is Germ’s “Popcorn Theory”.
Imagine corn kernels popping when making popcorn
Each sudden death = a corn popping.
It always starts slowly, then builds to a crescendo.
We are still at the early stage.
The popping will continue to increase.
The crescendo arrives in 12-18 months.TVASF
January 10, 2023 at 10:25 am #125669Germ
ParticipantMum who died suddenly two days after getting engaged ‘was loved by so many people’
” …currently being treated as unexplained.”
TVASF
January 10, 2023 at 10:26 am #125670Germ
Participant1.5 million times magnification of what’s in billions of humans now. https://twitter.com/ScienceWDrDoug/status/1611933600093454337
TVASF
January 10, 2023 at 10:27 am #125671Germ
ParticipantJanuary 10, 2023 at 10:29 am #125672Just Some Randomer
Participant@Germ – when the popcorn starts flying in the coming months, they’ll blame it on the Chinese spreading their ‘New’ germs around the world – so get some more boosters to save yourself! Evil.
January 10, 2023 at 10:30 am #125673Germ
ParticipantMIT Professor Retsef Levi talks about the Israeli vaccine safety study
The population of Israel has been poisoned.
The irony is that the Palestinians were denied the death-vaxx by Israeli authoritiesLove it – and I’m Jewish.
TIASF
January 10, 2023 at 10:33 am #125674Germ
ParticipantThey’ve nailed the UK MP who recently gave the speech in UK parliament warning of danger signals in the death vaxx roll out.
Andrew Bridgen suspended from House of Commons over lobbying
Shut Him Up!
TVASF
January 10, 2023 at 10:46 am #125675Red
ParticipantElon Musk? Never trust a billionaire.
January 10, 2023 at 12:14 pm #125676oxymoron
ParticipantThe Black Swan trigger event is unfolding in real time and it is the accidental meeting of Sasha Latypova and Katherine Watt.
Fucking heroes or Mandelbrot Set interruptions.
prototype countermeasures. Finally. I got so sick of saying “VACCINE” because I know it is a bullshit description of bio-weapon. War is Peace, Weakness is Strength and Medicine is Warfare for psycopaths.
Just another day in clown world
January 10, 2023 at 12:18 pm #125677oxymoron
ParticipantSo just to repeat – the global inoculations are legally defined in US law as ‘countermeasures’.
They are taking measures to counter a threat. Who are they taking the measures against? Who is the threat?
The people of the world.
You have got to be kidding me. It is a Reset alright
TVASF
January 10, 2023 at 12:40 pm #125678Dr. D
ParticipantMatt Gaetz and Mr. Rogers make up. He says don’t sweat having a heated moment; no problem bro, we understand. Now that’s the kind of thing we can use more of. Don’t be a sissy. No one even got punched! That’s way better than usual in U.S. Congress, where occasionally people are beaten into a coma.
On the flip side, we have calls for Bolsonario’s arrest, by U.S. Congress. Jurisdiction much? Why are you screwing with Brazilian affairs? And the crime? Haven’t got one/can’t figure it out yet. We’ll think of something, that’s what. Ugh, it gets so I hate Americans. They won, but that’s not good enough. We can NEVER leave you alone, until we drink wine from your skulls and listen to the lamentations of your women. (If only they could define them.)
What’s the word from North Korea’s favorite, the NY Times? Allegations of election fraud in Brazil are “baseless”. We know this for a fact because we haven’t looked. So in that way, they are correct: it IS like Trump and 2020, in which no, none, zero, nada cases were heard on the merits. And btw, is still dragging on in Wisconsin for example. But also our Supreme Court, who is getting sued, at last, FOR NOT EVEN LOOKING.
Aren’t you required to LOOK? At last we may find out.
“”This Got Way Overhyped”: 2016 Russian Twitter Trolls Were Dismal Failure: WaPo”
Which we said the day it happened. Can anyone ever be discredited? It was SO OBVIOUS. I guess you can only con somebody if they want to be conned. They love the lie and want to be fooled, want it to be true. They know this but people like me don’t. Then the same playbook: why care about the lies? As you leak them out you slowly remove their emotional charge, which is what makes you pissed off and ACT. Twitter defense right now was “Of course the FBI and CIA and White House and Pfizer aren’t in Twitter banning people and posts, what are you, a nut?”
Elon Musk: “I have the records and posted them.”
“Well everybody knows that the FBI, CIA, White House and Pfizer are in Twitter banning conseratives (and anti war Lefitsts) that’s nothing new: so what?”
The only upshot the engineers care about is we don’t go find them in their beds with rope. And this works wonderfully AND they can tell us to our faces, poke us, and laugh. Why, I don’t know. Go home, have dinner and ponder it, then get up in the morning, put on your pants, do your duty and arrest them for admitted crimes.
So the theory is that they spent 8 years secretly delivering all the “NATO” arms but Russia has them pinned down and is merely sitting on them in Bakmud? I’m good with that. That would better explain why they would send human waves into fire, and why they will even risk 5,000 Poles to lift this war-critical siege.
I can also easily believe they would put them there and somehow dream Russia would never find out about it. What an insult.
Adding: so this is all the war now? Pre-position years of materials in a DUMB and then play dumb all about it, feeding the glue-sniffing journalists it’s all about the surface war, there are no DUMBs although we know there are and have the receipts of their construction? Lebanon comes to mind.
DUMBs are a myth, a Conspiracy Theory, even though you can watch them on Discovery TV, History’s Mysteries, and everywhere else.
More, I guess they thought Russia would run over them in a hurry to Kiev and then have the Salt Mines pop up in their rear.
“What is really ‘interesting’ is that the controllers are still expending a lot of energy promoting activities that waste energy and resources at a phenomenal rate,”
Absolutely. And that is interesting. I don’t think I understand it yet. If you really cared or believed in problems, absolutely these are the first things to cut and divert resources elsewhere. But we can’t stop driving double dump trucks everywhere instead of having a paper burn barrel or apartment complex furnace.
““Too many doses, billions in costs – the government [of Germany] wants to cancel the vaccination deal.”
“Switzerland destroys millions and millions of “vaccine” doses, keeps buying them on-contract,” 11 Million at a pop for +$6 a piece.They already paid their vig to this wing of the mafia. Does anyone care if the shots were used or not? Wing of the mafia? Yes, didn’t we just say they are DoD/Military contracts?
Back to today:
Russia/Donbas. Yes, and Russia clearly tried to avoid intervention all the days since 2008. They’re not liking it now either. Who would? And our financial attack seems stalled as well.
“It’s like watching building 7 fall over and over and over again and still not questioning why.”
Yes. And thanks to the internet we CAN watch Building 7 on loop over and over and not ask why. So I guess no surprise the same thing here. I’m not immune either but I do ask why after a while. My prognosis: they are all going to die. I told them, I don’t have the trick to make them listen, so here we are. Everyone I know may die, but figured that back in the 90’s, just didn’t think like this.
“Britain may soon announce a delivery of ten Challenger II Tanks to Kiev,”
10 whole tanks? Be still my heart, didn’t Ukr say they needed 500? And with no crews, no parts, and no ammunition. Yes, I’ve been surprised we didn’t immediately ratchet up to drone swarms, but I ask what good tanks are? I mean, yes, they can help move crews to the front lines, and yes, they are always in motion so can’t be taken by artillery. But where do they park for the night? If they don’t park, how do they refuel, which needs a highly explosive fuel truck sitting around?
See what I mean? The difference of wars used to be that soldiers could return to base. Unlike a civil/guerrilla war where it’s each house for itself, French Resistance style.
“A steady Russian build-up in Belarus is underway.”
Are they just punking them to send an army back to defend Kiev again? Whatever.
“true goal of Putin was the restoration of the Russian “empire.”
Has Russia ever had an empire? Ever? Were they like in Africa and India and America with colonies? Or was it more like Spain with Andalusians and Basques rolled into one? They just make stuff up, I don’t understand.
“the agency is removing or obfuscating records.”
In plain sight. Every day for years. No arrests, no defunding. So who do you think we’re fighting that they have this kind of power?
DJT: I Realize why the White Hats dropped Trump way back when, even before the end. When this all comes out they are going to double-reverse and blame “Trump’s Vaccine”, totally forgetting we made fun of them loving Trump so much they all wanted to mainline his untested, unproven juice in their veins. That would sink the election. So they started process to set up DeSantis. Guess.
So whodunit? Who killed Diamond? Signs point to DJT. Stab to the heart.
Canadian Doctors. Sure it starts where it makes sense, just like last time. We do the retards, the nearly dead, then the pedophiles, then the undesirables, then YOU. Do we learn nothing? It WAS the medical people that started with the Jews. They were dirty, ridden with lice living in tenements and it was for their own good. They moved them to clean new facilities, Camp Howard. Only later do they go, Wait: whut? I didn’t mean THOSE showers! Uh-huh.
You made the gun, then got the gun, then loaded the gun, then handed the gun, then pointed the gun, then didn’t know nothing about it going off? Keep telling yourself that.
Maybe either you’re born a troll, Greco, or you’re not:
“Dozen Dead, over 100,000 without Power as California Braces for Worst ‘Atmospheric River’ Barrage Yet”
That 3,000 year Western drought just won’t end. Has it stopped snowing in Kuwait yet? Help me! I can’t stop telling the truth.
They believe we are all in a lifeboat and the weather will shortly take out all the food. It’s only logical to throw half of us overboard when we’re not looking. “Here pal, does this taste bad to you?”
Or for the Elites in our lives: “Here: Does this rag smell like Chloroform to you?” Go Prince Andrew.
January 10, 2023 at 2:13 pm #125680Oroboros
ParticipantJanuary 10, 2023 at 2:19 pm #125681Oroboros
ParticipantGranted, IQ tests suck in general, but they might pick up a trend-line here and there like a blind horse finding an apple.
Crap food, crap medicine, crap schools, crap jobs all headed for
Idiocracy: The Empire of Lies® Special EditionJanuary 10, 2023 at 2:21 pm #125682Oroboros
ParticipantI think the 80 mark is Forrest Gump Nation territory
January 10, 2023 at 2:37 pm #125683Oroboros
Participant• UK Mulls Unprecedented Arms Supplies To Ukraine
The total size of the full-time UK Armed Forces is just under 159,000.
A 159,000 is just about the same number of Ukronazis that the Russians have KILLED to date (KIA) in this Special Military Operation.
Let that sink in for a moment……
………..
So the Russians have killed the rough equivalent of the entire British Arms Forces so far…
Another 450,000 wounded, the third of those so badly wounded they will never be fit for service, like ever.
And the Limeys all pumped up with tough talk about ‘taking on the Russians’ in their own backyard.
Talk about jumping the shark
Some wear their hearts on their sleeves
Others wear their psychosis on their face
January 10, 2023 at 3:11 pm #125684Germ
ParticipantEnjoy!
January 10, 2023 at 3:19 pm #125686boscohorowitz
ParticipantThat quote of Linden on climate change is so sound-bitey. Here’s a more nuanced perspective:
“In June 1992, a year after the Cato Institute conference, Lindzen signed the Heidelberg Appeal.[67]
“He has criticized the scientific consensus on global climate change, claiming that scientists are just as liable to err when the science appears to point in just one direction. He drew an analogy in 1996 between the consensus in the early and mid-twentieth century on eugenics and the current consensus about global warming.[68] In a 2007 interview on The Larry King Show, Lindzen said:[69]
“We’re talking of a few tenths of a degree change in temperature. None of it in the last eight years, by the way. And if we had warming, it should be accomplished by less storminess. But because the temperature itself is so unspectacular, we have developed all sorts of fear of prospect scenarios – of flooding, of plague, of increased storminess when the physics says we should see less. I think it’s mainly just like little kids locking themselves in dark closets to see how much they can scare each other and themselves.
“In a 2009 editorial in the Wall Street Journal, Lindzen said that the earth was just emerging from the “Little Ice Age” in the 19th century and says that it is “not surprising” to see warming after that. He goes on to state that the IPCC claims were[70]
“Based on the weak argument that the current models used by the IPCC couldn’t reproduce the warming from about 1978 to 1998 without some forcing, and that the only forcing that they could think of was man. Even this argument assumes that these models adequately deal with natural internal variability—that is, such naturally occurring cycles as El Niño, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation, etc. Yet articles from major modeling centers acknowledged that the failure of these models to anticipate the absence of warming for the past dozen years was due to the failure of these models to account for this natural internal variability. Thus even the basis for the weak IPCC argument for anthropogenic climate change was shown to be false.
“According to an April 30, 2012 New York Times article,[71] “Dr. Lindzen accepts the elementary tenets of climate science. He agrees that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, calling people who dispute that point ‘nutty.’ He agrees that the level of it is rising because of human activity and that this should warm the climate.” He also believes that decreasing tropical cirrus clouds in a warmer world will allow more longwave radiation to escape the atmosphere, counteracting the warming.[71] Lindzen first published this “iris” theory in 2001,[9] and offered more support in a 2009 paper.[51]”
It’s so nice to hear balanced nuanced science talk.
January 10, 2023 at 3:27 pm #125687Germ
ParticipantWhat could possibly go wrong?
USDA approves world’s first vaccine for honeybees
“The vaccine is incorporated into the royal jelly by the worker bees, who then feed it to the queen,”
https://www.axios.com/2023/01/05/usda-approves-honeybee-vaccine-world-first
TBASF
January 10, 2023 at 3:35 pm #125688Germ
ParticipantExcess deaths in 2022 among worst in 50 years
“No evidence of vaccine effect”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64209221
Well, that’s settled then.
Hahahahahaha !!!
TVASF
January 10, 2023 at 3:39 pm #125689Germ
ParticipantScotland
TVASF
January 10, 2023 at 3:43 pm #125690boscohorowitz
ParticipantI marvel that we worry about assisted suicide. Some people want to die. Killing yourself is scary. (I’ve seriously pondered it many times.) We’re going to see suicide, assisted or not, go through the roof as the facts of our current predicament sink in to the average bloke.
We’ll probably go from assisting suicide to making it illegal again.
Murder’s gonna go through the roof too at some point. Assisted involuntary suicide.
Re; covid and the general vaccination frenzy and global health decline: seems like a really good time to take really good care of oneself.
Incidentally, who really gives a shit if the authorities deem someone unable to decide for themself? We didn’t like that logic when it was used to deem mentally ill doctors speaking out against kovid vakzinzion. Specific context:
“Recognizing the need for guidance, CAMAP developed generalized assessment forms. Many doctors now use these to evaluate whether a person is eligible for MAID. I sent them to Paul S. Appelbaum, a professor of psychiatry, medicine, and law at Columbia University in New York City. Appelbaum, a leader in his field, has been practicing for four decades. In 1998, he helped develop a now widely used test for assessing whether patients are mentally competent to make medical decisions. In 2022 an expert panel convened by the Canadian government recommended his competency test to euthanasia assessors, an indication that Appelbaum’s authority is recognized by the MAID system itself.
“All in all,” says Appelbaum by email, “it doesn’t strike me as a particularly well-thought-through evaluation process.” Among other things, “it’s not clear from these forms how an evaluator would decide that a condition is ‘grievous and irremediable,’” he says, quoting one of the key legal criteria.”
<end>Also, I can’t tell how it’s government’s business any more than telling a woman when she should carry a fetus full term. At least these euthanasia doctors aren’t pretending to save lives by injecting people with poison.
January 10, 2023 at 3:45 pm #125691boscohorowitz
Participant“The population of Israel has been poisoned. The irony is that the Palestinians were denied the death-vaxx by Israeli authorities”
That sure doesn’t fit in with planned culling of the unwanted.
Talk about shooting (injecting) yourself in the foot.
January 10, 2023 at 3:49 pm #125692boscohorowitz
Participant“Has Russia ever had an empire? Ever? ”
Yes, before the New World era. But other empires attacked Russia, and Russia learned that it just wants to be Russia, not rule the world, altho that Marxist fling changed that for awhile. BTW, was not the USSR an empire.
January 10, 2023 at 3:50 pm #125693jb-hb
ParticipantSome stuff about GPTChat/GPT3 – PART 1 of 4
I came across the Technological Singularity concept (here’s a primer on the Technological Singularity for anyone who would like one https://grg.org/charter/Krell2.htm) in 2001 via science fiction and eventually wandered over to the Ray Kurzweil website a few years later. The forum was interesting to me because there was a long-time discussion brewing over – what will win, Strong AI or Peak Oil?
Since it looked like oil had peaked (and maybe we can still argue that it did) around 2005-2007, the consensus they seemed to come to was that no, Strong AI cannot beat Peak Oil. Various conjectures followed from that.
But now I’m not so sure I can agree with those conjectures. All the conditions certainly SEEMED to be in place for Peak Oil events to proceed as expected through the single digits and teens of the 2000’s. At this point, I should really be squatting in the ruins, clutching my homemade weapon made from a lawnmower while hastily, cannibalistically wolfing down raw meat and trying to look everywhere at once.
In my wishful dreams, I was much cooler closer to the beginning of The Collapse. The power suddenly went out. Tornado sirens began blaring in the distance. I pulled down the black balaclava that was ready on my head without transition. In a single swift, deft move, I ripped off my office-casual outfit revealing black head-to-toe 5.11®™ gear, huskily whispered, “it’s go time,” smashed pell-mell through the nearest window, and flew out of sight on a previously unnoticed zipline.
But anyway, the GPT stuff related to artwork is astounding. There are many interesting youtube videos available on the subject. Have a look. Keep in mind that surely the real stuff is at least 10 years further developed. Keep in mind what we might extrapolate from what it’s doing with art.
Youtube comments are like, “Woah, in 10 years, think what it will do!” Bro, you don’t have TWO years. You don’t have ONE year. “Ten+ years from now” is already HERE.
The tech singularity can be summarized as: The pace of events arising from the increased power of computing technology outstripping our ability to predict and/or understand those events.
Since stupidly unpredictable and/or non-understandable things ARE happening right now on a continual basis, uh… hm. The people driving the bus that we are on clearly HAVE the technology. They’re NOT using it??? They HAVEN’T found it to be so powerful that they couldn’t resist relying on it??? They WOULDN’T restrict information about it such that we’d see its development timeline on a 10-year lag? The more powerful its effects, the MORE they’d want us to be up-to-date aware of it?
Didn’t Zerohedge have some articles about video deepfakes like 10 years ago, showing footage of world leaders on a stage talking? A deepfake video convincingly using their moving images like puppets? 10 years ago? More? Surely the tech was 10 years more advanced at THAT time outside the public sphere. AND it has been 10 years.
The Ghost of Kiev stuff must have been made by trolls to make the Ukraine narrative more silly, considering it probably takes 5 seconds to tell non-public AI to create a Ghost of Kiev video indistinguishable from reality and have 15 completed videos to choose from.
Maybe they took advantage of an algo that would boost pro-Ukraine messaging – so they pulled their stunt riding the hostile algo? Every govt/corp/ngo entity must be in an arms race having algos analyze each others’ algos and gaming them.
Considering how GPT can spit out volumes of artwork and prose in seconds, if the time is not yet at hand where they don’t need other people’s content to push uprank, it soon will be. At least to eliminate another Ghost of Kiev/Sam Hyde stunt. I bet they can- right now if they want – totally abandon algo-promoting preferred human-generated stuff and simply push out genuine looking media of all kinds.
Especially given the “revelations” coming out of Twitter, I see no reason why they cannot effectively shadow-ban ALL human beings while maintaining a potemkin internet. (or were they already doing this?)
(continued in 2 of 4)January 10, 2023 at 4:10 pm #125695boscohorowitz
Participant“In my wishful dreams, I was much cooler closer to the beginning of The Collapse. The power suddenly went out. Tornado sirens began blaring in the distance. I pulled down the black balaclava that was ready on my head without transition. In a single swift, deft move, I ripped off my office-casual outfit revealing black head-to-toe 5.11®™ gear, huskily whispered, “it’s go time,” smashed pell-mell through the nearest window, and flew out of sight on a previously unnoticed zipline.”
Good form, sir! Well done.
“I bet they can- right now if they want – totally abandon algo-promoting preferred human-generated stuff and simply push out genuine looking media of all kinds.”
I agree, and I think it would have serious unintended consequences. Machines talking to machines while pretending to be humans would form some interesting artifacts.
January 10, 2023 at 4:11 pm #125696jb-hb
ParticipantAs far as the Communists were concerned, conceptually, and in a specific, consciously intended, overtly intended way, they weren’t an empire. Integral to the NAME USSR, they’re saying they aren’t an empire.
But were they an empire anyway?
An empire is a salad bowl rather than a melting pot or single substance entre. A single cultural/political entity takes over other distinct cultural/political entities or makes them client states and then sucks up a good chunk of their resources, mostly into the capitol.
This qualifies for Rome and Persia, for instance.
Was the USSR getting net positive resources from the Iron Curtain countries? They certainly were losing on Cuba and Afghanistan.
Not an empire and never trying to be? A failed attempt at an empire that had the handy excuse of anti-imperialist dogma as a central tenet?
January 10, 2023 at 4:19 pm #125697boscohorowitz
Participant“Computer-generated footage of the Ghost of Kyiv winning a dogfight was made using the 2013 video game Digital Combat Simulator and uploaded by a YouTube user. The uploader stated in the description that the footage was not real and was merely a tribute urging the Ghost of Kyiv, real or fake, to keep fighting. This video was shared by the official Twitter account of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.[9] The video subsequently went viral on social media, with Snopes saying that the circulating video was miscaptioned.[33][34][35] Separately, comedian Sam Hyde’s face was photoshopped onto an American pilot who was killed in a 2018 jet crash in Ukraine, as part of a long-running joke to link Hyde to atrocities.[36] Similar to the Ghost of Kyiv, on 26 February 2022, social media reports emerged of a Ukrainian ground forces soldier dubbed the “Ukrainian Reaper”, who supposedly killed over twenty Russian soldiers in combat alone.[37]”
Not AI, apparently. Just some Ewoks using old gameware.
I think that TPTB will find that AI is a WMD as unwieldy as nukes.
January 10, 2023 at 4:22 pm #125698zerosum
ParticipantManipulators/Deceivers bury Truths/Observations in word salads
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Two Tale of Ukraine Civil War
1. The Maidan protest movement – https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine/The-Poroshenko-administration
2. The Minsk Protocol – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements
Ukraine, not Russia, was to blame for the collapse of 2 Minsk agreements.[9] Russia then invaded Ukraine on 24 February 2022.[10]Ukrainian civil war lost by Ukraine (the special military operation ) https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/09/1127881
Ukrainian Battlefield being used by West/NATO mercenaries against Russia
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If a word salad won’t work then ….
• The CDC Appears to be Removing VAERS Records (GR)————
January 10, 2023 at 4:23 pm #125699boscohorowitz
Participant“Not an empire and never trying to be? A failed attempt at an empire that had the handy excuse of anti-imperialist dogma as a central tenet?”
Excellent questions. The answer to those nuances evade me. All I know is that it acted like an empire: it took over surrounding nations and aggressively promoted its influence around the globe. Yes, it was an ideological empire, but the primary definition of empire is “an extensive group of states or countries under a single supreme authority, formerly especially an emperor or empress.”
Close enough for gubmint work.
January 10, 2023 at 4:33 pm #125700boscohorowitz
ParticipantJanuary 10, 2023 at 4:43 pm #125701jb-hb
ParticipantYeah, on that basis arguably an empire.
It’s interesting that, despite anti-imperialism being a central tenet of their belief system, they adopted imperial aspects. (and an argument with a true blue USSR communist over why it isn’t an empire could be interesting as well, wrong or right)
It’s almost as if, on a sliding scale of socialism, if you reach some certain percentage of full Communism, because they don’t actually know how to make it work, the mind rebels, goes back to hardwired basics when there is no intellectually understood workable system.
So you end up with an autocratic leader and feudalistic sub-leaders, with occasional czars appointed over specific subject matter.
That happened not only with internationalist socialists but nationalist socialists. You check with those nationalists in the 30’s, and they’re talking all about voting worker’s unions and stuff. And then you end up in just a few years with a supreme leader patting himself on the back for being more autocratic than Charlemagne and appointing gauleiters over regions, etc.
I guess hardwired tribal organization is what we end up with anytime the plan isn’t actually a plan.
January 10, 2023 at 4:51 pm #125703Afewknowthetruth
ParticipantRichard Lindzen has zero credibility.
Cato Institute = a lie-generating institute, part of the cabal’s propaganda system.
As bosco has pointed out, why quote him?
In the real world, 40 billion tonnes of extra CO2 is added to the atmosphere every year via the burning of fossil fuel and the production of concrete.
Termination of most life on Earth via CO2 overheating and acidification of the oceans gets on step closer every year.
November CO2
Nov. 2022 = 417.51 ppm
Nov. 2021 = 415.01 ppm
Never let the actual data get in the way of a ‘good’ argument.
January 10, 2023 at 5:02 pm #125704jb-hb
ParticipantAfewknowthetruth,
your own belief system argues that the human generated CO2 you cite will NOT cause Climate Meltdown
RATHER, it says that the human generated CO2 will be just enough of a small tip to a super fragile climactic balance, that the balance will tip, triggering a non human caused greenhouse gas runaway cycle leading to Earth becoming Venus
YOUR OWN belief system says it is the TEMPERATURE difference, NOT a chemical reaction with human generated CO2 that causes the tip (and JUST the tip…) into imbalance
Since the temperature history of interglacial periods shows temperatures that you tell is will trigger the runaway feedback loop that turns us into Venus, and those temperatures have been reached over and over again, why aren’t we already Venus?
January 10, 2023 at 5:16 pm #125706Just Some Randomer
ParticipantI am genuinely not making this up, but I am just off the phone with another work colleague (based in Amsterdam) and she’s all upset because her young child’s schoolteacher has just died suddenly of a heart attack.
Popcorn theory.
January 10, 2023 at 6:31 pm #125709boscohorowitz
Participant“Richard Lindzen has zero credibility.”
So does that statement, although it may feel satisfying to say. The guy’s credible, looks to me. btw, ‘credible’ only means ‘believable’. Calling so-or-such not credible is like saying ‘you can’t make me believe that’. One’s personal belief system is one’s personal belief system, and that is that, regardless of how much or little that system accords with reliable data.
Also looks to me like LIndzen’s being used by other people to promote their views on climate change. The price of communication success in modern media is losing control of one’s message.
Overall, I “agree” with Lindzen, insomuch as he doesn’t dispute the COS greenhouse gas warming model, but believes that other factors will counteract this effect… which is the global climate change stuff I encountered back in the early/mid 80s. Real science not yet whored into a Biden snowhole by big $$.
Long term, will greenhouse warming produce a warmer or colder surface temp?
Any honest jury is out on that question, because there are so many more variable to contend with.
But any honest jury will also be forced to admit that the climate is most likely to send us ever more erratic weather for awhile as Terra’s climate absorbs the effects of anthropogenic greenhouse gas warming.
If we were smart (ha!) we’d me redesigning our economies around the least weather sensitive sustenance modes for awhile. But we’re not smart.
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The popcorn theory is sound, imo. One can see the media shroud wearing holes, smoking a bit, ready to set on fire and get blown away. People TALK to other people when their peeps die out of nowhere. You can’t shadowban that kind of communication.
Wait until the assaults and murders begin. Mother against husband. Son against father. etc. etc. People get very upset when death strikes close and they believe it happened because of that thing we loosely call ‘evil’.
They tend toward violent.
I wonder if things will flip to where one must prove one is unvaccinated to get ER treatment? (Not a serious prediction, just a lens for taking in the gathering dark weirdness.)
January 10, 2023 at 6:35 pm #125711boscohorowitz
ParticipantMaybe we need a bit of an extinction event:
A people as silly as we are earns its own doom.
January 10, 2023 at 6:37 pm #125712boscohorowitz
Participantbelieves that other factors
willmight counteract this effect… ‘January 10, 2023 at 6:43 pm #125713John Day
ParticipantI call “FOUL” on the gas stoves causing childhood asthma in the US, because it is rare enough that the risks had to be derived from European data, where it is more common, and then they were applied to the US as an established relationship to say some percentage of childhood asthma cases in each state “were attributable” to gas stoves.
“Note that we used the combined North America and Europe odds ratio for the relative risk in this equation, as childhood asthma in the US remains relatively rare, affecting 1 in 12 children”
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