Debt Rattle July 16 2020
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July 16, 2020 at 9:38 am #61188Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
Irving Underhill Irving Trust Building, Trinity Church, Wall Street, New York 1931 • ‘Over Half’ Of Trial Participants Had Adverse Reactions To
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle July 16 2020]July 16, 2020 at 10:02 am #61189V. ArnoldParticipantIrving Underhill Irving Trust Building, Trinity Church, Wall Street, New York 1931
The first thing that came to mind was the movie; The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand.
A very dramatic photo…
…as was the movie, which I liked very much…July 16, 2020 at 10:41 am #61190Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymasterFirst thing that came to my mind is: this is where life stops.
July 16, 2020 at 11:02 am #61191V. ArnoldParticipantFirst thing that came to my mind is: this is where life stops.
…life stops…
the desolation is obvious when pointed out, no visible life…
Thanks; I agree………July 16, 2020 at 11:55 am #61192V. ArnoldParticipantOne could call it a hive; but without the nurturing…
July 16, 2020 at 1:03 pm #61193oxymoronParticipantThe Adam Schiff thing — how do we even bother reading the news if you can’t trust anything any more? People just lie and you can’t touch them, you can’t sue them and you can’t speak out against them or you are just some right wing freak. No frikken justice man. Like the poor Rio Tinto guys. No justice. Them aboriginees – all they wanna do is dig up precious cultural sites – those concrete skyscrapers are where our people share culture and gather on behalf of the community so we all have what we need to shine. Them suit-tie fellas are our healers and leaders that care for country and seven generations. We are so lucky to have them.
July 16, 2020 at 1:08 pm #61194zerosumParticipanta major COVID risk ….
breathing
life
a vaccine
a job
lies
misinformation
taking pills
living in the USAJuly 16, 2020 at 1:38 pm #61196Bam_ManParticipantI worked for Irving Trust in that very building for several years back in the 1980’s.
Believe it or not, that narrow alleyway directly to its left is actually Wall Street.July 16, 2020 at 3:21 pm #61197zerosumParticipantAdapt
“The big question remains – what happens when the $600 CARES Act bonuses stop flowing?”
Businesses getting the consumers to spend the $600.00 are going to suffer.
Got to try to save the local businesses.Buy local, pay more with less money.
Due to shortages of supplies, pay more.
Due to extra fees on supplies and services pay more.Due to less money, don’t use the black markets.
Quit drinking, smoking up, due to lack of discretionary income.
Put off getting new glasses, teeth, hearing aids, medication, car.
Get a room mate or move into basement.Volunteer at food bank.
July 16, 2020 at 4:42 pm #61199John DayParticipantToday is different for me, though many of the actions and outward patterns are the same.
Jenny and I got up in different rooms at 4:00 AM, because she has been having to distance from me since she got the COVID swab Monday, prior to the 6.5 hour surgery she is now undergoing. It was negative. The show must go on.
Jenny showered with disinfectant again. We wore masks in the car and blew mask kisses.
I deposited her and her bag at Seton Hospital at 5:00 AM. I went home and held her in meditation for about 2 hours, until it seemed to just end.
She had called me from surgery at 5:50 AM to say she was turning off her phone.
I said I was meditating with her.
“I love you”, we said.
I’ve looked at emails, and a little news, gathered in the garden, and eaten vegetable soup I cooked last night, with eggs and toast. Good coffee, as usual. It’s time to dress out, ride the bike to work, work the afternoon and bike back
I await word on how things are going for Jenny, which is out of my hands.http://www.johndayblog.com/2020/07/status-reminder.html
(Pictured in photo Jenny took a few days ago in Yoakum)
July 16, 2020 at 5:45 pm #61200Dr. DParticipant
“The image reading “will not provide any protection against COVID-19 (coronavirus)” is real. Most masks, if not all, being sold have some sort of label saying that it will not provide any protection against viruses, but that does not mean masks should not be worn.“Just because we know it doesn’t work with 5 gold-standard studies, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it. Silly Billy. The Power of PRETEND.
July 16, 2020 at 6:15 pm #61201my parents said knowParticipantV. Arnold- I responded to your post yesterday.
“Covid-19 has actually proved good for [twitter] business”. No. Really?
Just how much does money drive the “Covid” brand?
Meanwhile, on CSPAN this morning…
Dr. Jake Deutsch of “Cure Urgent Care” disparaged the use of HCQ saying that older studies suggested it may be effective, but later studies showed it was not so effective.
To a caller who wondered if her son needed two consecutive negative tests after fourteen days to be safe the doctor said “the [PCR] test is very sensitive and just reproduces small pieces of virus and it may be an inactive piece of virus that was nicked up and at four weeks may still be tested positive.”
So, no, her son doesn’t need two tests.
Why is it said that the PCR test is useful at all, ever?One more thing: Deutsch took HCQ when he was sick because that was “what was recommended in the literature”. He seems fine, now.
July 16, 2020 at 6:51 pm #61202my parents said knowParticipantCheck out Statista:
Number of coronavirus (COVID-19) tests performed in the most impacted countries worldwide as of July 15, 2020.
The top five (China, US, Russia, India, UK) have used about 183 million tests. Someone’s making a lot of money on a “non-diagnostic” test.
How many masks per day worldwide? Gloves? Gowns? Sanitizing material?
How are they disposed of? (Disposal costs money, too).The thing about multi-billion dollar markets is they yearn to continue and use marketing to do so. Marketing doesn’t have to be honest or particularly true- it’s opinion, after all.
Does 3M ever whisper sweet nothings into the ears of governors to use the words “mandatory” or “required”?July 16, 2020 at 7:04 pm #61203anticlimacticParticipantThe Moderna vaccine test will be interesting.
Several countries have now reported that the antibodies disappear quickly, to zero for 83% after two months.
The results of these tests will show if a vaccine is ever possible.
It may also show whether the antibodies themselves are actually a problem.
If it proves a vaccine will never be a viable solution what then?
July 16, 2020 at 10:15 pm #61207redshiftParticipantDr. D, the warning is for the user of the mask. The mask mostly protects others in case the user is infected. It also protects the user but if the others don’t use mask, the protection is not significant. They say “not any” to protect themselves from liability.
July 17, 2020 at 1:43 am #61210V. ArnoldParticipantmy parents said know
V. Arnold- I responded to your post yesterday.Thank you. Cheers
July 17, 2020 at 4:15 am #61211Doc RobinsonParticipantSome headlines from today:
Hydroxychloroquine Still Doesn’t Do Anything, New Data Shows
WIREDHydroxychloroquine studies show drug is not effective for early treatment of mild covid-19
MSN MoneyHydroxychloroquine also doesn’t help Covid-19 patients who aren’t hospitalized, new study finds
CNN
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Hydroxychloroquine ineffective against mild COVID-19, U.S. study shows
ReutersThose headlines could be misleading, considering that
“The study was of such low quality that it was fundamentally uninterpretable,” said Steven Nissen, a veteran clinical trialist at the Cleveland Clinic…The main problem, Nissen said, is that the evidence on hydroxychloroquine should be coming from large, well-funded studies that were big enough to give clear answers. “Instead of focusing on one or two large, well-powered, well-run rigorous trials, we’ve got a bunch of observational studies, low quality randomized controlled trials, and no answers.”
https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/16/new-covid-19-study-despite-flaws-adds-to-case-against-hydroxychloroquine/Some actual details of the study:
“At 14 days, 24% (49 of 201) of participants receiving hydroxychloroquine had ongoing symptoms compared with 30% (59 of 194) receiving placebo (P = 0.21).”
“With hydroxychloroquine, 4 hospitalizations and 1 nonhospitalized death occurred (n = 5 events). With placebo, 10 hospitalizations and 1 hospitalized death occurred (n = 10 events); of these hospitalizations, 2 were not COVID-19–related (nonstudy medicine overdose and syncope). The incidence of hospitalization or death did not differ between groups (P = 0.29).”
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4207
Some simple math to obtain the hospitalization and death rates for HCQ vs Placebo (which I didn’t see mentioned in the study):
HCQ: hospitalizations 4/201 = 2.0%; deaths 1/201 = 0.5%
Placebo: hospitalizations (covid related) 8/194 = 4.1%; deaths 1/194 = 0.5%Patients getting HCQ had half the hospitalization rate of those receiving placebo.
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