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  • #163896
    Mr. House
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    Also, you did none of that. Nothing wrong with being proud, but you didnt march sing or get shot.

    #163897
    John Day
    Participant

    Images of Maxwell (“alas poor”) Yearick are getting scrubbed. This still works:
    https://www.caclubindia.com/assets/maxwell-yearick/
    poor Yearick

    #163898
    John Day
    Participant

    yearick
    Second attempt

    #163899
    Mr. House
    Participant

    @john day

    So you’re saying it was a different person then what is being reported?

    #163900
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Wouldn’t surprise me. The same way they’re covering up that manifesto/journal of the trans shooter. Might shed bad light on the Vanderbilt health system, since they’d been working that “person” since they were six.

    #163901
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “The truth is, Colonel, that there’s no divine spark, bless you. There’s many a man alive no more value than a dead dog. Believe me, when you’ve seen them hang each other…Equality? Christ in Heaven. What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noted this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. no two things on earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen. I don’t know who me father was and I don’t give a damn. There’s only one aristocracy, and that’s right here – ” he tapped his white skull with a thick finger – “and YOU, Colonel laddie, are a member of it and don’t even know it. You are damned good at everything I’ve seen you do, a lovely soldier, an honest man, and you got a good heart on you too, which is rare in clever men. Strange thing. I’m not a clever man meself, but I know it when I run across it. The strange and marvelous thing about you, Colonel darlin’, is that you believe in mankind, even preachers, whereas when you’ve got my great experience of the world you will have learned that good men are rare, much rarer than you think.”

    #163902
    jb-hb
    Participant

    The war was fought over who would control the federal government, nothing more nothing less. You disagree? My family fought for the north by the way.

    You are arguing with dead slave owning Southerners who put themselves on record.

    Also, you did none of that. Nothing wrong with being proud, but you didnt march sing or get shot.

    You shall have no nation, no people, no culture? My people ARE mine. And if it was a southerner using expressions of “we,” I get the feeling that would get a pass.

    Yes WE. If you want to initiate a new conflict again on the same exact basis, I’m ready to enlist. After Andersonville and decades of practicing slavery, not going to feel too bad about a march to the sea. Huh, weird the South didn’t immediately free their slaves upon independence, since they were fighting against power for self determination. All that extra manpower – happy to be part of their nation – would have been a big help.

    And no, it was not for control of the Federal Government.

    Lincoln was for gradual abolition of slavery, as voluntary as possible. To avoid a wholesale slaughter, which was how the South got to maintain political parity over the years, the implicit threat.

    It was actually the same problem the Normans had. You want to live like your father lived with at least equal status? But they aren’t making more land in Normandy. So England is lost to the Anglo-Saxons, Italy is lost to Byzantium, and Outremer is carved out of the near east.

    Lincoln was a gradualist in terms of abolition, but he was absolutely adamant that there would be no new slave states.

    They realized they had permanently LOST Federal control of new Slave state creation.

    1. This guaranteed gradualist abolition as more Free states entered the Union. You will have to DO something or MAKE something that a free person would WILLINGLY give you money in exchange for. You will not be able to live like your father.

    2. If the US West is cut off, then only lands to the South remain. But these are only available with a foreign policy and military effort unconstrained by the North who are uninterested in Southern conquest.

    It’s all about, as Crassus would have advised – get more land, put more slaves on it.

    No more land, no more slaves, going to have to work for a living. Suh, you insult muh honuh.

    Once the South started the shooting, it was going to end with re-incorporation into the union for the same exact reasons the Founding Fathers didn’t get into a big fight about slavery back in the 1700’s.

    IF an independent slave nation existed, about as big as the North, with expansionist plans and an underlying NEED for continual expansion, the result would have been European powers playing the two off against each other – and preserving slavery as much as they could, to KEEP animosity going.

    How long did South Africa last with apartheid? So maybe the South “abolishes” slavery and just keeps going? Who do THEY side with in WW1 and WW2? How does that tie up the North? nah, nah, just pure power.

    #163903
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Yes it was pure power, the same reason the system will not reform itself now. Why did the North compromise in the creation of the constitution, with slaves being 3/5 of a person or some such? If you’re the south and your wealth comes from slavery, and the north is importing large amounts of European immigrants and you are not, what happens to control of the house? If the north refuses to let anymore slave states into the union, what happens to the senate? It was power, you can put as much lipstick on it as you will but it was power, always will be power. Because they didn’t have the power to force their will on the south at the time. Also i’m rather certain it was northern states who first threatened to leave the union, around the time of jackson? How is any of this relevant to our problems today, if you don’t mind me asking? I say it is because our problems today come from a lack of balance of power, what say you?

    #163904
    Mr. House
    Participant

    The corporate system today is in the process of collapsing, it outdid all the competition during oil/unrelenting economic growth, that is now going in reverse. What is the corporate system doing now? You think they don’t understand they’re on the decline and potentially going to lose power? The bailouts of 08 weren’t about the banks, they were about the corporate system that can only exist with ever expanding debt and growth. They were bailing out their own power on the publics credit card.

    As palpatine said “unlimited power!”

    #163905
    John Day
    Participant

    @Mr.House: I do not know who the dead body on the roof was, and the sweet 20y/o Crooks may not have been that body. It may have been “poor” Yearick. https://www.caclubindia.com/assets/maxwell-yearick/
    Also, the guy in the video-from-the-car, saying he was Crooks, probably was not Crooks either.

    Celia Farber pulls together the very loose-ends of the whodunnit-patsy-assassin identity. Do consider that there may have been a competent sniper farther away, also.
    A Cursory Review Of What Makes No Sense Around Would Be Trump Assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks​ https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/a-cursory-review-of-what-makes-no

    #163906
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Well it goes without saying that if someone like that yearick fellow did it, they would do everything in their POWER to hide it. Would screw up the narrative they’ve been pushing for some time.

    #163907
    jb-hb
    Participant

    Again, the North compromised because of the implicit Southern threat of violence OR secession and all the consequences I have already outlined – the founding fathers chose to incorporate the southern slave states into the union rather than to let them go their own way for the same prudent reasons. Outside the union they would have been expansionist and adversarial. And would have preserved the evil institution of slavery for who knows how long. More hope of ending it sooner inside a Union containing free states.

    Yeah, the South demanded Dredd-Scott, 3/5 representation based on owned human beings with no vote or agency. The North – like the founding fathers – took a long-suffering patient long view. Gradualist abolition.

    The MOMENT gradualist abolition became a certainty – with a republican president and several Free states waiting in the wings – cosmic coincidence, Southern seccession.

    ergo the NORTH is evil? golf clap..

    I didn’t START this debate against revisionist Civil War History.

    If there’s any modern day relevance or utility, it lies in what I was originally saying – Republicans have many, MANY low-hanging fruit available to them. They have easy, super-easy, barely an inconvenience ways of humiliating the Democrats and all they have to do is start punching back

    But they’re losing losers who love punching themselves in the face and losing.

    Democrats were pro slavery, pro secession, pro confederacy, pro jim crow, pro segregation, anti integration, right up until the moment they switched strategies – which just happened to be around the time they started the welfare state, with Lyndon Johnson saying “We’re gonna have those niggers voting for us for a century” upon signing the first big welfare bills.

    And what happened as a result? Look at black families, black education, black upward mobility, crime affecting blacks – the Democrats were anti black right up until the Great Society shift in tactics, then the Democrats told black america they were “helping” while crapping on them for half a century.

    Easy, EASY for the Republicans. Ignoring any mitigating moral factors on either side, the Dems have been shouting that Trump is Hitler and Republicans are Nazis continuously for a decade now. I’m not a Republican, I’m just saying they’re idiots who won’t punch back, not even once —- even greater idiots for making a Confession Of Faith by saying “America was a very very racist country” instead of taking the obvious easy shots at Dems or even just taking an optimistic view of american progress.

    That is how this discussion started- if you scroll back, you’ll see. I was commenting on how the Republicans COULD have spoken at the RNC as an alternative to self-face-punching

    #163908
    Mr. House
    Participant

    (Shrugs) nothing you said dissuade me that power isnt the driving force behind all conflict or government. It is what it is, we dress it up in its sundays best but all of history is one long tale about struggles for power.

    #163909
    jb-hb
    Participant

    You are implicitly saying there were no moral connotations to the Civil War, secession, who came out winning.

    Not my fault your main guy wanted to do late Napoleon era losing battles of attrition while starting off with less guys as opposed to economical early era Napoleon. Not my fault nobody listened to Longstreet about strategic attack, tactical defense. Thousand ways the South could have survived with a bit less confidence and arrogance. But having lost, it was about, like, power man.

    Keep arguing with dead southerners who put themselves on record.

    Sometimes better things happen in history and sometimes the better side wins. Morally better and stronger at the same time… sometimes. Hard to believe for me too.

    #163910
    Mr. House
    Participant

    You ever been dating someone and you have plans with friends that don’t include them, and then some sort of drama happens from that person which causes you not to be able to go out with those friends? Power my friend, power. Ever been in an argument you were winning and then the tears get turned on and it becomes really hard to stay angry and argue? Power my friend, nothing more nothing less. Why did the senate outlaw Caesar? Power my friend, nothing but power. When you “chase” a women, what is that? Power my friend, nothing but power (which is why they all complain that men won’t “chase” them now).

    #163911
    Mr. House
    Participant

    JB HB who won the second world war? You can’t give up your illusions, you have illusions just like the leftists you dislike. Sorry i disturbed them. I’ll go back to my normal quiet self now.

    #163912
    Mr. House
    Participant

    One last thing, haven’t you ever read Team of Rivals? What the hell is that book about other then power? And i never said Lincoln was stupid, you seem to be inserting plenty of words into my mouth, please stop thank you very much, team of rivals showed what a genius the man was.

    #163913
    zerosum
    Participant
    #163914
    tboc
    Participant

    Ramblin Rose
    excuse me sir that’s Amber Rose
    Ohh! never mind
    two 180° turns for the Orange Man – impressive

    McConnel booed at RNC convention

    revisionist history? you don’t believe things reported in the news today when everyone has access to alternative press and you believe the narrative presented in 1860. What about the Russian navy in colonial waters in an earlier time? When did you read about that?
    The Federalist Papers as proof the Consitution was the bestest
    Missles in Turkey
    Lone gunman
    Tonkin Gulf
    WMD
    Yellow Cake
    Poison Gas in Syria
    NATO will not advance an inch
    Unprovoked invasion of Ukraine

    The southern states are still reeling from the help received during Reconstruction. Who were the allies of The Dixecrats in Congress? Why was Kingfish murdered?
    The School of the Americas was about liberty – equality – justice.

    Washington and his real estate deals with destitute troops
    and finally Adams and Jefferson and the press in their first contest
    Just because you have not read widely enough does not make something revisionist history
    “The truth will set you free” applies across the total spectrum of human experience

    “You can’ handle the truth” – Colonel Nathan R. Jessep
    an apt artistic perspective

    #163915
    tboc
    Participant

    perhaps Isaiah would be a good place to start to learn about the veracity of human beings and their noble nature

    being taciturn is an effort to keep doubt on the table

    #163916
    tboc
    Participant

    f you keep in mind that the US is ruled by a credentialed oligarchy, for the benefit of a wealthy few, then a lot of things will make better sense as you look at them.

    Call it ‘deep state’ if you will, although some dislike this term. But there is an inner clique of power, that is able to kill presidents, flout the law at will, knock skyscrapers flat, and foment wars of aggression that result in the death of millions — and not be held accountable for any of it. They deal in illusions.

    And you will not able to stand against it, against the allure of power and money, unless you keep and hold fast to the love of God in your heart.

    In the end, you will be found standing, applauding the powers of darkness in this world with blood on your hands, believing in unconscionable evil, and be proud of it.

    You may be miserable in hell, but you will have the company of some of the finest people.

    It’s a brisk trade in human weakness and folly. – Jesse 7/16/2024 Jesse’s Cafe Americain

    #163917
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Everytime gold goes up, a Putin gets his wings!
    (However, silver, silver never goes up … and never will.) Say hello to the only commodity on earth that is worth half what it cost 40 years ago.

    It actually went up over $40.00 to the penny, so I’ll have to look into that unprecedented affront.

    JB etc, since you’re both correct, I have no idea what either of you are arguing about. I like to rephrase it into Britain — okay a stand-in for power — in divide and conquer THey’re smashing Jefferson who — shock — was also a gradualist, who got outflanked by the cotton gin. In my reading, Britain PAID both sides, like now, to go feral. There were definitely feral, racist Southerners — and they LOVED the bait, couldn’t get enough…but also sold everything to Britain, that is, their POWER, their money came from there, BUT ALSO Britain was paying rabid abolitionists to go nuts and start a war. …Which they did, like John Borwn. …Whoooooo…everyone ignored. Because he’s a whacko. Fed! Fed! Fed! Even Fredrick Douglass, but then Douglass was a genius.

    Anyway, Britain, Europe, needed a WAR. They needed a war that would destroy US POWER. And get POWER of debt and division over the U.S. The two idiot sides just fell for it, not helping themselves. Lincoln, as you say, was on to them, as were many other gradualists. But once they got the division going — like now — it couldn’t be stamped out. HOW are you going to tell rapid, progressive abolitionists to “just put up with” Slave states doing slave things another 50 years?

    Tell you what I’d do, the only thing that would work: Point at Britain and the Warburgs, and the Truth. ‘Cause no other reason is going to wash at all considering the moral problems of slavery. Anyway, I have no idea why Republicans can’t grasp they were fighting the Southern DEMOCRATS. As in DEMOCRATS. As in ALL CIVIL RIGHTS was fought against DEMOCRATS. The DEMOCRATS were the Nazis in this movie. Every governor over a school every mayor jailing hundreds was a DEMOCRAT. It ain’t hard. Do they not know either?

    …This is why I don’t consort or associate with them. That’s dumb enough to be a danger and a public menace.

    #163918
    aspnaz
    Participant

    riesterm said

    Have a look at his latest essay “The Trump Shooting was of course Staged”.

    Not convinced. It obviously could have been staged, in fact it being staged makes more sense than it being an isolated gunman. The entire event was so beneficial to the Trump campaign, what with the Democrats being down because of their fake “reveal” of Biden having dementure, also an obviously staged event. The assassination attempt is then added to that negative wave for the Democrats.

    What is stranger still has been the response of the Democrat media, they are all falling in line as if the past Trump era never happened, it is quite amazing. The word has gone out that talking of killing Trump is now taboo. In the past, talking of killing Trump made you a Democrat hero, but the Democrats have responded to this change of rule in an almost military fashion, all changing direction at the same time. Amazing.

    The Trump supporters are behaving as expected, the White Jesus rose from the dead, God is with us, blah blah. They too are very well briefed and hyping the whole event, it really is all very emotional and they are all hyping that wherever they can, understandably, they want to win.

    The timing was perfect for Trump, it could not have been more perfect; cui bono.

    I am not a magician, or someone with any idea of how this would be staged, but I have zero doubt that it could have been staged. I have zero doubt that the dead could have been actors and the entire event could have been staged as a PR stunt. No doubt at all.

    So it comes down to what you want to believe is happening. Whether you believe that some people (I guess Democrat supporters) did this for real, betting the house on this guy killing Trump, in which case why not use someone who can shoot and a backup that is reliable? Or, you believe that this was staged and was part of the Trump campaign process.

    Both are very possible options.

    Oh, and for those who ask about the dead fireman etc, watch some on-street magic tricks and you will soon discover that you can easily be fooled. Do you trust or not trust your lying eyes?

    #163919
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Dr D Rich said

    Here’s a take, locally and I’m right here in Butler, IS the kid was “treated in every way” as if he was part of the security team ie. allowed free travel by Trump’s security team. How about that…

    Good point. I had forgotten that Trump still has his own security team, working with the SS team. Why did they not do their jobs, why did they fail in such an obvious manner?

    The case that this was a staged assassination attempt is starting to reach overwhelming.

    #163920
    citizenx
    Participant

    the kid was “treated in every way” as if he was part of the security team ie. allowed free travel by Trump’s security team. How about that…

    Sure seems that way…. how he was able to get onto the roof w a LG and get shots off ? A stretch far beyond just “incompetency”. A big ‘if’- but if a ladder was stashed/ set up/ left to access the roof for security access- that’s a pretty big leap in faith that the shooter was just lucky to find it…

    Ladder and access and recon was set up in advance by shooter way more likely. I figured the LG was pre placed and stashed near the ladder… “IF” the ladder and stashed LG are still in place…he’s on the roof. If he gets there and no ladder or LG stash,,,then he walks away. But the hidden LG registered in dads name does not make sense if you’re going to walk away.

    He was spotted with a range finder ? That seems like bs. Rando 20yr opportunist using a range finder and being an “inexperienced shooter”…no f’n way. How any civ could walk into a rally carrying a LG and be left alone by security does not pass the retard test- far too many variables in place that allowed shots to be fired… does not pass the “incompetent” on mass scale any more than 9/11 does. Everything just perfectly lined up – no way?

    The only facts that seem consistent currently are-
    – Libs and the establishment openly want Trump DEAD and not in office under any circumstance. Anything or anyone (vegetable brandon) but Trump is their mantra.

    – astronomical incompetence and/ or a path created for the shooter are both fully reasonable and likely, “incompetence” used as cover.

    – shooter was pretty damn accurate under the intense stressful circumstances for a “rookie”, being that calm and everything falling into place to take shots and hit target reeks of more than just a rando whacko 1st time assassin on a suicide mission. Brainwashed to hate trump is one thing… being suicidal to kill is a whole other level of psycho idiocy that defies basic human instinct. None of these asshat politicians are worth dying over to take them out, duh.

    – yes every marksman talks about it being an easy shot- maybe for an expert trained combat vet that will not have their head blown open, in the open with no cover and people yelling at you, and adrenaline, and the gravity of all factors- there was a certain numbness and calm from the shooter that requires a look.

    #163921
    John Day
    Participant

    2 shooters day (not counting police sniper, that’s 3)

    ​ Meryl Nass MD, Coffee and COVID (Jeff Childers’ substack) suggests possible second shooter on the water tower. And other notable quotes.
    What? 3 police snipers were staged inside the building from which Crook​s took his shots.
    ​ Consider JFK, RFK assassinations: there was a patsy and there were the real shooters. The Deep State does not rely on its patsy to do the job. It relies on at least 2 distance shooters or a point blank hit. Because it cannot afford to fail.
    ​ And yet it just did. Thanks to Providence. Look at the freefall the Democrats are now experiencing. Because the whole world knows who did this. After all the attacks during Trump’s earlier Presidency, the extraordinary lawfare attacks during his campaign, and now this attempted assassination, it does not take a rocket scientist to say Qui Bono (who benefits?).​ [Videos of Two different witnesses describing 2 different shooters, one on the water tower​. Aerial diagrams provided.]​ https://merylnass.substack.com/p/coffee-and-covid-jeff-childers-substack

    ​ The Trump Assassination Attempt: A Serious Audited Investigation is Urgently Needed​ Weapons and Strategy, Stephen Bryen
    Was there a Second Shooter? New Acoustic Forensic Evidence​ [Acoustics analysis indicates 3 different patters. T​wo “shooters” and the police sniper.]
    [Update: Since publication the gun has been identified as a DPMS AR-15 5.56 rifle that was purchases more than 10 years ago by the shooter’s father. DPMS is a low cost AR-15 and there are different models with price ranges today under $700. Compare to a Ruger AR15 which is over $1,000. There are some criticisms of the DPMS gun’s quality, but others find the rifle barrels good.]​ https://weapons.substack.com/p/the-trump-assassination-attempt-a

    Trump Shooter Rejected From High School Rifle Team: ‘Couldn’t Hit a Target at 50 Feet’​ https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/trump-shooter-rejected-from-high-school-rifle-team-couldnt-hit-a-target-at-50-fee

    #163922
    aspnaz
    Participant

    WES said

    If the Trump assassination was staged and is fake news, then how ironic it would be if the Dem controlled fake msm is either fooled (or forced) into going along with this fake news!

    Dr. D’s White Hats verses Black Hats theory.
    White Hats out faking the Black Hats?

    Or you recognise that the whole theatre is actually a single team, run by a single bunch of owners and that they decided to go with Trump a very long time ago and the plan is simply playing out. Look at how nicely orchestrated the whole charade has become. The “fake” reveal of Biden – they had years to prepare a replacement for Biden, years, but they decided to pretend he was compos mentis and didn’t put a plan together for his replacement? They organised Ukraine but forgot to organise how to keep themselves in power by replacing Biden with a well prepared candidate? Really? Unbelievable, as in you have to be very naive to believe that. No politician is that blase about power.

    Then you look at what appears to be a staged assassination attempt, the dropping of the lawsuit, the SCOTUS ruling for Trump. It looks like he is on a roll, but he is just playing his role in the plan, which is why an 80+ year old guy is still doing politics when he should be playing golf.

    The people of the USA are being manipulated, there are no teams, the owners will do what they want, tell you what they want to tell you and the two fake “teams” will obey. The obedience of the Democrat MSM is simply extraordinary, they have been completely out of character these last few days. You think they changed because someone faked an assassination attempt on Trump? You think they are fooled? You think they are afraid that the Democrat-riden DOJ will come for them? Give us a break.

    As for JD Vance, that is another “risen from the dead” moment.

    My guess is that they want White Jesus in the POTUS position because he will be able to persuade the traditional military families to send their kids off to die for the USA (probably actually Israel) and to use his “MAGA” campaign as an excuse to ramp up military weapons production. War is the only way the owners can fix the USA, so they need a POTUS who can persuade the people to do the same.

    #163923
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    I’ve watched the same footage as most of the rest of you here, and as often as most of the rest of you here, and have experienced a lifetime of being lied to as often (and probably for more years) as most of the rest of you here.

    As is the case with ALL of us here, the vast vast vast majority of the things that I think I know are the end product of PROCESSING that vast vast vast trove of second-hand and observational reports, conclusions and opinions through a Rube Goldberg contarption in my head to come up with a conditional guess of what I think the truth of it MIGHT be.

    In other words, it’s all probabilities, and best material answers that we’re going to come up with in the MATERIAL world is also going to be a PROBABILITY. In the MATERIAL world that probability is NEVER going to be 100%.

    The big question therefore, is where do YOU draw the line? How CLOSE does your concluded estimate have to be to 100% that you call it good enough to act upon?

    Tell ya what folks. That attempted assassination had too damn many moving parts to be “staged” in such a way that all of those little moving parts lined up so perfectly that the persons seated next to the dead fireman were able to give such perfectly timed and acted performances that EVERYONE who saw them was CONVINCED that the man had just had his brains blown out all over his family that he was “pretending to protect.

    Give me a fucking break, people! What are you trying to suggest or insinuate? That JFK was FAKING it in 1963?

    It wasn’t a “staged” event. It was a botched assassination attempt of the opposition candidate by the reigning regime, and the CONTROL of it could ONLY have come from persons (or other entities) who have rock solid control over the official activities of the ENTIRE operational apparatus of the government. Nothing within that apparatus that matters moves unless they cause or allow it to move without their causation or approval.

    Weigh the evidence all you want to. The more the better up to a certain point. But to insert doubt into the FACT that it was attempted murder BY OUR “GOVERNMENT AUTHORITIES” is itself an act of treason of the most despicable and cowardly sort.

    If you insist on continuing to wiffle waffle like that then you will still be wiffle waffling when some low-level rent-a-goon puts a bullet into YOUR head. One could argue that there would be no harm done in that case because you weren’t using it for anything else except interminable wiffle waffling anyway.

    #163925
    poppie
    Participant

    riesterm
    Yeah, ok. I was just trying to ignore the whole assassination thing. I plan to come out of the closet soon so why not creep up on it. I am a old infantry officer who never had to go to war. That precious period in the 70’s and 80’s when there was no war. I looked at Trumpy’s ear and thought that I did not see anything that looked like a wound. I have hunted Pennsylvania my whole life. I know what a wound looks like. I know what I can do with a 22 short, long, magnum and 223. This thing is horse shit. That said. Where is the snipers body? Did some poor schmuck buy the farm? If no, the ss sniper is one of DrD’s white hats. If yes, retards are being snuffed for click bate. Either way. Open season. No limit.

    #163926
    zerosum
    Participant

    One more …
    Why We’ll Never Know What Really Happened in Butler, PA
    by Ron Paul | Jul 15, 2024
    https://ronpaulinstitute.org/why-well-never-know-what-really-happened-in-butler-pa/
    Just days after the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump, theories are flying from all directions. Many who ridiculed the “conspiracy theories” of conservatives are now suggesting the whole event was a set-up to boost Trump in the polls ahead of the election. Others suggest it was the “deep state” or even foreign actors who organized it.

    Former US Navy Seal and founder of Blackwater, Erik Prince, claims that “The fact that [the Secret Service] allowed a rifle armed shooter within 150 yds to a preplanned event is either malice or massive incompetence.” He went on to observe that, “unaccountable bloated bureaucracies continue to fail us as Americans,” adding that “unserious and unworthy people in positions of authority got us to this near disaster. Merit and execution must be the only deciding factors in hiring and leadership, not the social engineering priority of the day.”

    Video has emerged showing that for at least two minutes law enforcement knew someone with a gun was on a roof aiming at the former President and no one communicated the need to pull Trump from the stage. You can clearly hear the crowd warning law enforcement that someone was on the roof. Yet he was unhindered until the first shots rang out.

    Considering this fact, Erik Prince has a point.

    If this is like any previous governmental foul-ups, we can expect hearings, investigations, and commissions that will actually serve to hide the official errors or even malicious intent by some in the government. That’s what government does no matter who is in office: protect itself from actual scrutiny and resist being exposed as incompetent or worse.

    But what if there was a genuine investigation that actually revealed the truth about what happened at the Trump rally over the weekend? Could we rely on the mainstream media to even report it? This is the same media that, after Trump was clearly shot on live television, reported “Trump escorted away after loud noises at PA rally.” (Washington Post). And “Secret Service rushes Trump offstage after he falls at rally.” (CNN).

    This is the same mainstream media that has been comparing Donald Trump to Hitler for years, and now pretends to be shocked that their vile rhetoric ended up in violence. There is a good reason why the mainstream media is regarded by the American public with record levels of contempt.

    The current Director of the Secret Service has been interviewed expressing her dedication to “diversity” in hiring agents. What if her dedication to DEI goals led to an agency that is more “diverse” but fails at its core mission? Can we rely on the media to inform us of this? Or will they, as usual, just blame it all on the Second Amendment?

    What if the problem with the Secret Service is that it was moved into the bloated, incompetent, and menacing Department of Homeland Security, the creation of which I strongly opposed when I was in Congress?

    We shouldn’t count on hearing the truth about the attempted assassination from the mainstream media. No wonder the elites remain determined to censor social media sites like Twitter/X and TikTok. We live in an empire of lies, propped up by the mainstream media. And seeking the truth in this empire of lies is the greatest challenge for us in the moral bankruptcy in which we live.

    #163927
    aspnaz
    Participant

    If you assume that Trump is controlled by higher powers and that the attempt was staged, then you have to assume that the assassination attempt was not his personal doing but also that he may not have been privy to the plan.

    Exactly which bits of the attempt were fake and which were real is difficult to tell, after all, the people doing this are not averse to killing a few people to get what they want, so the fatalities (including the shooter) may have been real. The Israelis would call them Hamas, others call them collateral damage.

    Supposing that the people who would do this are as concerned for the lives of others, or hold your own point of view, or your values is naive. The people doing this sort of thing think differently, in the same way as an SS agent willing to die for a President is thinking very differently to the way I think; die for Trump, I would never even consider it, but they appear to be happy to do it.

    The shooter could easily have been given instructions that he naively followed, resulting in him ending up dead. Isn’t that what a patsy is, an unlucky fuck who can be wasted to save the real criminal?

    #163928
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    So are we being herded into an artificially pumped up patriotic INSISTANCE that Trump be driven into the White House, hyper-emotionally touted as the one guy who can save us, only to discover too late that he is the Anti-Christ?

    Well, if you’re into old movies like the one starring Frank Sinatra and Laurence Harvey in the original (1962) “Manchurian Candidate”, then this is right up your alley. Trouble is, there were no 4k video cams, social media, or AI search engines in those days. Today’s Manchurian Candidate will be scrutinized under an electron microscope by tens of thousands of amateur Asperger geeks who are too obsessed to be afraid of retribution and too excited to not share their findings. “Weaponized Autism” is not a joke. It’s a FACT.

    Tell ya what. You go ahead and hit the streets in a disorganized armed uprising against unseen forces if your suicidal/homicidal impulses simply cannot be restrained, but I’m going to just sort of vote for Trump and see what happens while keeping my eyes open to reality, and my heart open to Divine Providence.

    God is moving his hand.

    #163929
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    Are you as informed, experienced and intelligent as Mike Benz? I sure know that I’m not.

    Check this out, https://www.youtube.com/live/ch_uYUnLkiw?si=uqBnA60FmefGMEGO.

    And then notice that although his videoed interview has been up for over 6 hours, on the hottest topic since JFK got snuffed in Texas, and yet there were only 620 “views” and 44 “likes”. No AI algo throttling going on there, hey?

    #163930
    aspnaz
    Participant

    DBS said

    God is moving his hand.

    Don’t read too much into it, he may just be having a wank.

    #163931
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    Do this little thought experiment.

    First, list out every nationally influential institution and/or government agency (Justice, Defense, Treasury, HEALTH, Education, Security, etc. You name it).

    Now rack your brain to remember anything they have done in recent memory that was insane, destructive or outright Satanic which resulted in the deaths or destruction of large swaths of the population. (I don’t think you’ll have to rack for very long or very hard.)

    Okay. Now for the actual experiment. Find a quite and comfortable place that will be safe from distractions for 15 or 20 minutes, close your eyes, and ask, “Are these persons, wayward institutions and horrific events merely coincidental artifacts of incompetence and stupidity, or are they the deliberate works of an outright conspiracy of Evil against Good.

    Now I BELIEVE that your corporeal and spiritual survival hinges upon your answer, but that’s just me. You already know where I stand on this issue. The experiment is to discover where YOU stand.

    So, where do you stand? If you stand with good then you stand with God and I sincerely advise that you seek to commune with Him and do what He tells you to. No more waffling. Time is shorter than you think.

    God is moving his hand, as you can see.

    #163932
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    Thank you, @aspnaz, for volunteering to be our test case of those who choose derision, lies, and deceit as the way forward. It will be interesting to see how you fare over the near future. Feel any better yet, or still a bit nervous?

    #163933
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Don’t-run-with-scissors Snowflake:

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    #163934
    Oroboros
    Participant

    DEI Twat refuses to resign

    Says she doing a great job

    Visual approximation of Secret Service Director Cheetos’s “foolproof” assassination protection strategy

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    #163935
    Oroboros
    Participant

    #elonmusk posted:

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    #163936
    Oroboros
    Participant

    A metal box of explosives connected by wires to a receiver were found in his car, which could be detonated by a remote control on his body.

    He never searched how to make explosives, but he had explosives and a remote detonator?

    He had help and a handler.
    The only question now is who?

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