Debt Rattle June 11 2021
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June 11, 2021 at 8:47 am #77107
Raúl Ilargi Meijer
KeymasterWassily Kandinsky Free Curve to the Point – Accompanying Sound of Geometric Curves 1925 • Stalin’s Covid Mismanagement Gets International Atten
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle June 11 2021]June 11, 2021 at 9:07 am #77108V. Arnold
ParticipantWassily Kandinsky Free Curve to the Point – Accompanying Sound of Geometric Curves 1925
Wow, that’s a really interesting painting; I like it and the free curve is masterful, IMHO.
…but, a question lingers…which came first; the point, or the free curve… 😉June 11, 2021 at 9:27 am #77109V. Arnold
ParticipantWassily Kandinsky Free Curve to the Point…
There it is…
June 11, 2021 at 9:51 am #77110Polder Dweller
ParticipantThe Vaccine Blinded My Cat
That’s not an actual headline, I just made it up, but I think it may well be true as the cat went blind right after my wife got her second shot of Pfizer and the vet said the blindness was most likely caused by a TIA. Correlation but not proof of causation.
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Why is there such a push to vaccinate everyone if there is no faith that it will keep you safe? I’ve seen several articles about the vaccinated not wanting to give up their masks and in this article: No Jab, No Phone (RT) it says “We are doing all we can to compel people to get vaccinated… The government cannot allow individuals, who do not want to get vaccinated, to risk lives of those who are already vaccinated,” the health minister told Pakistan’s Express Tribune.”
Meanwhile, pretty much everyone I know has either been vaccinated or will be soon and they are all convinced that we’ll be back to normal in the autumn. I hope I’m wrong but I think they’re going to be in for a rude awakening, maybe even before the end of the summer.
June 11, 2021 at 12:03 pm #77111Raúl Ilargi Meijer
KeymasterRoadmap:
Pakistan province to block phones of the unvaccinated
A Pakistan province said Friday it will block the mobile phones of people refusing to get Covid-19 jabs, in the latest move to penalise the unvaccinated in a country where only a fraction of the population have been inoculated.
It comes after Sindh province said civil servants who refuse to be vaccinated will not be paid from July.
A third wave of infections has begun to stabilise in Pakistan after weeks of tough restrictions, and in Punjab — the country’s most populous province which includes the megacity of Lahore — demand for jabs has slowed.
“At first this was only a proposal, but people have been very hesitant in getting vaccinated so the decision was made,” said Hammad Raza, spokesman for the Punjab Primary Health department.
He said the state telecoms agency will decide how to implement the measure.
Pakistan’s nationwide vaccination rollout has ramped up in recent weeks with more than 200,000 doses administered most days, but it adds up to only a fraction of the 220 million population.
June 11, 2021 at 12:39 pm #77112Germ
ParticipantTerrific discussion.
You’ve got to get past the occasional petty squabble.Long but good.
June 11, 2021 at 12:40 pm #77113Dr. D
ParticipantIs Swalwell still sleeping with Fang Fang? On a bed of Congressional dossiers? I didn’t forget.
“Germany Rolls out First Vaccine Passport.” I guess Germany is an unhinged conspiracy theorist. They didn’t get the memo that those aren’t planned and aren’t real. They’re cray-cray, obviously against common decency and human rights. Oh wait, it’s the 2020’s.
Inflation watch, as the planet comes unhinged: “Container Ship Orders Surge as Firms Race to Add Capacity”
Okay, so first they had globalization and built ships. …While shutting down every western ship yard, notably in England. THEN there was a ‘recession’ (GFC) so rates plummeted, then went to the basement, and all really pretty good, but older, smaller won’t-get-wedged-in-the-Suez ships were scrapped at a company-breaking loss. THEN there was a money-printer-go-brrrr “boom” that rocketed rates and caused shortages. NOW we’re building new ships again, having only just scrapped the old ships yesterday. They’re probably floating in the yards still, waiting the torch. Same thing with trucks.
You want to know why money-printing, inflation, central planning, are a complete, abysmal, dangerous, life-ending failure? This is why. Nitrous! Brakes! Nitrous! Brakes! Handbrake turn! Left guardrail! Right Guardrail! Oncoming headlights! Gaaaaaahhhh! Cash-basis, not-handing-free-money-to-my-fraudulent-serial-failure-schoolyard-chums leads to SMOOTH, even economic decisions and responses. Matching supply and demand delicately, precisely. Not wasting an entire planet’s resources. Using up all these valuable objects, tools, energy, down to the last drop with maximum efficiency and intelligence.
OR: Stalin could say make 10,000 more tractors than we need, knowing nothing. The tractor plant can only make 8,000, half-bakes the other 2k not to get shot, none of them work, they randomly end up on critical farms while randomly half the fully-working ones end up as lawn ornaments. Fields fail, so farmers are shot (by Stalin). Then the war happens, so 2,000 tractors are scrapped to make the tanks and the shovels we actually DID need. Again, after wasting time and money randomly junking, shipping, and reassembling the parts to make a few working ones, while paying to both scrap, ship with critical oil, critical trucking, and re-smelting them back into ore.
Nice going Powell! Genius move Pelosi! Gordon Gekko will be very pleased as “I [we] make nothing.” We DO, nothing. We OWN. …And shortly, “we starve.” While all this money – money is irrelevant, excuse me – all this OIL, STEEL, RUBBER, CHIPS, TIME are spent creating things we don’t need so we can realize our stupid decisions 6 months from now and shut them down, destroy them. Like fracking wells. Or shopping malls.
All with your tax dollars while you can’t pay the rent. Welcome to America.
Hey, could we get a mask factory and a pharmaceutical plant that makes basic things like vitamins instead? Money-printer-say-no. Tax law say no. NAFTA say no. We’ll wait for a worldwide pandemic, THEN…not do it then either.
Up to you guys. Relocalize: you know you’re going to anyway. Might as well do it now, before the crash.
Today’s edition of complete media lies: 1,200 year drought in the west!!! We’re all gonna die! (again) Um, people? It was only 2017 that floods were so high the Oroville Dam nearly collapsed – the state’s largest. While the drought is bad, I’m thinking you don’t call a thousand-year drought three years after a 100-year rain. Might be early. See their own argument on “Weather vs Climate”, you hat-wearing science illiterates.
Yes, the drought is bad. And the overly-volatile weather is concerning. So you put in all those permaculture techniques and closed the golf courses, right? What, no? You have no food but are still growing hay, rice, and lawns? Okay, I’m leaving this meeting now. Call me when you’re serious and not insaney-clowny-posse-peoples. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_nut Did they change land-use laws to not even promote, but allow food production chickens and gardens in the temperate, rainy suburbs of 25 states, tens of hundreds of thousands of acres? No? Call me when you’re hungry, bub. Call me when there’s no chicken at “Wild Wings” prices double and the supply chains fail. Oh wait…
“Highly Contagious Delta Variant Now Makes Up 91% of UK’s New Covid Cases (F.)”
“Highly contagious” as in exactly as contagious as before? 91% of new cases when there are almost no cases? When there are ZERO deaths in England off and on, and the 5-year death rate is BELOW average?
Uh-huh.
https://narsol.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/approved-non-stop-panic1-1.png“Statement by Donald J. Trump on Covid discoveries”: Ouch, that’s gotta hurt. Nevermind, they’ll just get up and ignore it.
Quinn’s article shows “Science-as-Religion” and article of faith, with Judas Priests. Now would that be “Breakin’ the Law”, “Victim of Changes”, or “You’ve Got Another Thing Comin'” “Beyond Death”?
“Goldman Requires Workers to Report If They Are Vaccinated (ZH)”
Moving forward with the total false, must be conspiracy theory, a two-tier society! as written and published for years. However, because they’re such failed idiot sons of idiot sons, seven generations deep, it’s coming out the OPPOSITE. So if I DON’T get the vaccine I can still work from home??? I am on this. Spain is now suggesting if you’ve been vaccinated, you CAN’T fly due to increased blood clots. …That will kill you. On their time, in their plane. (Of course other airlines are suggesting the opposite). If you’re vaccinated you can go to NYC concerts, but if you’re NOT vaccinated, you get wide-open, empty bleacher seats at the Yankees all to yourself? Unvaxxed restaurant sections that are empty and clean?
…What, pray tell, must I pay for this incredible advantage in my life? Wait — it’s FREE??? All I have to do to work at home and get no-reservation seating is to say I’m unvaccinated? …See the problem? I mean, they’re trying: gotta hand it to them. But even with conflict between states where you CAN’T be masked/vaccinated and others where you MUST be, even within the Fauccist states there are mixed messages. And for fun, they have nothing – no answer – for those who WANT to get vaccinated but medically can’t. Separate drinking fountains for you!!! Guess you’re a non-person and non-citizen! Down with Lupus patients! Down with Chemo patients! Chuck ’em in the bin! Want to explain how you’re going to do that? No. Because it’s not logical and it’s not medical. It’s “DO WHAT YOU’RE TOLD.” The Ego of Power-over, the joy and power of grinding to dust.
“Celebrity Cruises Has a Workaround for DeSantis’ Vaccine Passport Ban (F.)”
One of these is a law and one is a suggestion. Guess which one they follow? Hint: we haven’t followed the law in 100 years and will do anything, ANYTHING not to follow it. It is our #AntiLogos is our #Religion.
“Convert New York’s Entire Grid to Renewables with this One [Weird] Trick [of NY Housewives] (Vice)”
Since a million people left New York, this lack of having a viable grid will actually work fine. Grid falls another 20%, but 20% more New Yorkers flee high taxes, blizzard snows, and 3rd world infrastructure for Miami. It’s a win-win. …Except that New York will have no GDP, no taxes, no people, no votes and cease to exist as a viable entity, returning to a brushy forest where hut-dwelling people grow rabbits as Ayn Rand said. …And actually happened in Flint and Detroit already. …When you’ve proven Ayn Rand right, you are clearly doing something very, very wrong.
Behold! A Pale Horse! Green Initiatives at their finest, taken to their inevitable end: NeoFueadalism. Everyone living in caves. Except for Cuomo and AOC who live in palatial Hudson estates…while her dearest abula lives in a 3rd world hovel and she actively stops her grandma from getting the money to fix it. https://nypost.com/2021/06/05/gofundme-halts-fundraiser-for-aocs-grandma-despite-104k-haul/
I thought such a house was ecological, AOC. Clearly more ecological than your $70k Tesla.“The government cannot allow individuals, who do not want to get vaccinated, to risk lives of those who are already vaccinated,” the health minister [said]
It just doesn’t end, does it?
June 11, 2021 at 12:44 pm #77115Oroboros
ParticipantIf you allow children to be experimented on with mRNA therapy that not only was never properly tested on humans before the ‘rollout’, but was never even tested on animals, you might as well sell them into the sex trafficking biz.
Same difference, pimping your kids out for someones profit.
Mission Accomplished
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June 11, 2021 at 1:03 pm #77116Oroboros
ParticipantI’ve followed Brett Weinstein for a long time. A voice of sanity in a Wilderness of Mirrors.
https://miro.medium.com/max/4000/1*m4NtFKsGY-Y_iDH8TgyCxw.jpeg
His interview with Geert Vanden Bossche and Dr Pierre Kory were excellent.
This is the coverage that should have been done by the MSMedia-whores but alas couldn’t be done because, well, they’re whores.
June 11, 2021 at 1:28 pm #77117teri
ParticipantRE: Trump’s statement on origins of Covid (“…I have been proven right (once again) ….Chinese Communist Party should pay $10 trillion in global reparations….”): Seems to me everyone is blithely ignoring how this theory that the virus was released – intentionally or accidentally – because the lab in Wuhan was doing bat virus research also points a finger at the Trump administration’s participation in said research.
Let’s for the moment say that it turns out that human Covid was in fact man-made in a lab and did not come from animals in an organic transmission. Let’s further say that it specifically came from gain-of-function research being done in the Wuhan lab and through carelessness, they released the bugger into the population causing the pandemic.
Now let’s look at some timelines and the US involvement with this particular laboratory and with gain-of-function (GoF) research in general.
In 2014, the U.S. government put a pause on new funding of gain-of-function research world-wide. It had already halted all domestic GoF research in 2011. (This was under Obama.)
The pause — intended to provide time to address concerns about the risks and benefits of these studies — applied to certain research on influenza, MERS and SARS. Covid is, as we know, a SARS virus and was included in the moratorium of funding.On Dec. 19, 2017, the U.S. government’s pause, or moratorium, was lifted. It was the Trump administration, in other words, that resumed new federal funding of GoF research in virology labs.
In 2014 (Obama), the NIH had already awarded a 5-year grant to the U.S.-based “EcoHealth Alliance” group to study the risk of the future emergence of coronaviruses from bats. This study was allowed to continue as the funding was granted before the moratorium. The study was conducted at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and involved teams of scientists from various countries, including US scientists. (This is how the government retroactively explains all kinds of shit it does – “we had to let them keep the money because it wasn’t illegal when we first gave it to them, blah, blah, blah.” I think this is how they explain staying in Afghanistan. “We already allocated the money, might as well blow someone up.”) By 2018, EcoHealth was getting about 15 million/year from government agencies under Trump, who had lifted the moratorium on new funding of such research several years previously. In 2019, Trump renewed the grant for another 5 years.
In one instance, EcoHealth Alliance helped fund research that created a new infectious pathogen using the molecular structure of the SARS virus. The aim of the study, according to the researchers, was to warn of the potential risk of a SARS-related virus re-emerging from bats.
One of the paper’s authors was a prominent Wuhan virologist, Shi Zhengli. NIAID (under Fauci) and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) are cited as financial supporters of the research.
The Trump administration finally canceled EcoHealth’s grant in April 2020. (Uh, too late. This was 3 months after Covid had already entered the US.) Then for some reason the NIH reinstated the grant in July 2020, but claimed they had temporarily suspended EcoHealth’s “research activities”. Maybe it’s just me, but I find it dubious that someone would give a research grant to a research company to do research at a research facility with the addendum demand that they not use it for, um, research. Apparently, Fauci, who was by then working directly under Trump, had something to do with the funding going to EcoHealth and GoF research but Trump clearly knew about it.
In an April 17, 2020 White House coronavirus briefing, a reporter stated that “US intelligence is saying this week that the coronavirus likely came from a level 4 lab in Wuhan,” and that the NIH had awarded a $3.7 million grant to the Wuhan lab. “Why would the US give a grant like that to China?” she asked. “We will end that grant very quickly,” Trump said. This exchange shows Trump knew about the grant money going to Wuhan. He did in fact cancel the funding right quick after that reporter’s question, which hit too close to home, and I can’t remember anyone bringing the subject up again.
Maybe someone ought to. If (and this is seriously an “if”, since we don’t know anything for sure yet) Covid in humans was caused by a gain-of-function experiment released from the Wuhan lab, the US is partly to blame because Trump allowed and funded that research after Obama had ended it. You’d think Trump wouldn’t be yapping so much about how “right” he was under the circumstances. On the other hand, the press seems to have completely rehabilitated Bush and Obama, so maybe Trump will never be held responsible for his malfeasance either.
June 11, 2021 at 1:53 pm #77118June 11, 2021 at 1:55 pm #77119Germ
ParticipantJune 11, 2021 at 1:55 pm #77120Mr. House
ParticipantRead the last ten of your comments on this website and tell me what the common thread is, no disrespect intended but what is the point?
June 11, 2021 at 1:55 pm #77121zerosum
ParticipantIn the U.K.
The highly contagious “delta” variant of the coronavirus originating from India now makes up nearly all of the U.K.’s new coronavirus cases,
40% more transmissible than the alpha variant (B.1.1.7)
three fully vaccinated people in the U.K. infected with the new variant have been hospitalized,
U.K. has partially vaccinated over 60% of its population and fully vaccinated nearly 43%In the USA
Federal authorities have received over 800 reports of heart inflammation in people who received a COVID-19 vaccine, a health official said Thursday.In India
the incredible story of the Ivermectin drug in controlling COVID,
MK Stalin, irresponsible behavior during the pandemic. He decided that Ivermectin wasn’t effective and basically blocked from the state. The death rate and infection rate have gone through the roof while every other state that is using it is seeing massive declines.”In China
a gain-of-function experiment funded by the USAAt TAE
The immune systems of all but the sickliest are sufficient to fight off this virus and cheap, effective, and safe treatments like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine have been scientifically proven to successfully defeat this virus. Watching scientists and doctors declare these treatments dangerous and ineffective, with Big Tech censoring anyone dissenting from this narrative, tells you how corrupted the medical and media industries have become. Science is never settled.On the web
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/05/31/there-are-no-solutions/
In Part One of this article I described the circumstances which make it impossible to change the system from within.
Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. …We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. …In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/06/01/there-are-no-solutions-part-two/
THERE ARE NO SOLUTIONS (PART TWO)
Now they have turned their attention to children, who have a .003% chance of dying from Covid. Is this asinine idea only to generate profits for the ruling class or is there a darker motive for injecting a substance that has already killed thousands, creates blood clots, and is now causing heart problems in teenagers.How naïve, uninformed, and foolish I was back then to think any of my proposals had a realistic chance of being adopted, when the ruling class had created the system and reaped the benefits from maintaining it just as it is.
The system is rigged, and they do not care what you think.
it appears only a small fraction of the population seem capable of independent thought and a willingness to resist entering the technological gulag orchestrated by our gatekeepers.
———-June 11, 2021 at 1:57 pm #77122Mr. House
Participantevolve or die
June 11, 2021 at 2:12 pm #77123zerosum
Participanthttps://www.cnn.com/travel/article/celebrity-cruise-two-covid-positive-guests/index.html
2 passengers on Celebrity Millennium cruise test positive for Covid-19
Jamiel Lynch, CNN • Updated 11th June 2021
The ship set sail Saturday “with fully vaccinated crew and guests and following comprehensive protocols that align with our destination partners and exceed CDC guidelines to protect the health and safety of our guests,” the release said.
So-called “breakthrough” coronavirus cases, in which people get infected after vaccination, are expected. Such cases result in milder Covid-19 illness than in unvaccinated people, a US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study published this week shows.
Fully vaccinated people are more than 90% protected against infection, with partially vaccinated people 81% less likely to become infected than those who haven’t had been inoculated, according to the ongoing study of essential workers who got Pfizer/BioNTech’s or Moderna’s vaccine.
Those in the study who got breakthrough infections after one or two doses had 40% less virus in their bodies and were 58% less likely to have fever. They spent two fewer days in bed than unvaccinated Covid-19 patients.
Guests had to show negative Covid-19 tests
All guests aboard the Celebrity Millennium cruise — with port stops in Barbados, Aruba and Curacao — were required to show vaccination proof and a negative Covid-19 test within 72 hours of departing St. Maarten on Saturday, the release said.
About 500 passengers were on board, with over 95% fully vaccinated. Children who could not yet receive vaccinations were required to show negative Covid-19 tests.June 11, 2021 at 2:15 pm #77124Mr. House
ParticipantIf it doesn’t stop transmission or infection, but only the severity of symptoms (how does one even prove this when most didn’t have severe infections to begin with?) what is the point of the vaccine? Why do the TPTB remind me of the Master from fallout?
June 11, 2021 at 2:42 pm #77125Doc Robinson
ParticipantThe Covid narrative is being presented, and adhered to, as if it’s the consensus of esteemed experts, but it’s clearly not. One example from the FDA advisory committee meeting yesterday (discussing the vaccination of children):
Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics at Tufts University School of Medicine, said kids need a safe and effective Covid shot — but argued against authorizing one for emergency use in anyone under 18, saying the safety data currently available is insufficient. “The burden of disease is so small and the risks are just not clear,” he said. And while clinical trials are designed to sniff out common side effects, some rarer conditions linked to vaccination may only appear once a shot is in wide use.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/10/kid-covid-vaccines-fda-493267
The meeting materials are available online, at the link below, and they might provide some insights, but I haven’t read any of these documents.
June 11, 2021 at 2:44 pm #77126Mr. House
ParticipantIf you can’t trust those who set the criteria for how society is run, what is the point? People got on a cruiseship, all were covid negative at least 72 hours before the trip and vaccinated. Two people test positive for covid once the cruise starts. What is the point? Jesus we need to move on, jettison the elites overboard, they’re done. Evolve or die. (telling the truth=evolving)
June 11, 2021 at 2:54 pm #77127Mr. House
ParticipantDoes this sound like a truthful poll to you? I traveled to Lithuania in college to visit a girlfriend studying abroad. Speaking with people at train stations, airports and bus stops was an eye opener for me. Hardly anyone liked the United States and this was back in 2005. But since Joe Biden is Prez now everyone loves us again? Doubt it. The media has lost all credibility and i have no faith that what they’re reporting is reality. So how do i trust the numbers they present for vaccination, let alone america’s image abroad?
June 11, 2021 at 2:56 pm #77128Mr. House
ParticipantJune 11, 2021 at 3:16 pm #77129Germ
Participant‘New’ Ivermectin:
Merck Announces Supply Agreement with U.S. Government for Molnupiravir, an Investigational Oral Antiviral Candidate for Treatment of Mild to Moderate COVID-19
Pure Evil!
June 11, 2021 at 3:39 pm #77130Archie
ParticipantPlease read Jim Kunstler’s chronology of events posted today. That’s the real story!
June 11, 2021 at 4:04 pm #77131my parents said know
ParticipantIf a vaccinated 70 year old complained of chest pains on a strenuous hiking trip in an extremely isolated place, would CPR be a good idea? I’m thinking chest pumping for myo- or peri-carditis doesn’t seem like a good idea…
June 11, 2021 at 4:06 pm #77132Mr. House
ParticipantTDS and CDS explained in one movie clip:
June 11, 2021 at 4:08 pm #77133Bam_Man
Participant“They don’t give a F**K about you. They don’t care about you. They don’t care At all. At all. At all”
— George Carlin, 2006June 11, 2021 at 4:12 pm #77134my parents said know
ParticipantHypothetically, would ivermectin- if available- have a place here, as it binds to the spikeP which is causing the inflammation?
June 11, 2021 at 4:33 pm #77135Mr. House
ParticipantA house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half insane and half not insane. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved—I do not expect the house to fall—but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other. Either the opponents of insanity, will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the states
June 11, 2021 at 4:34 pm #77136Dr. D
ParticipantI’ll pick it up, Teri. Obama stopped the research Fauci said that would be worth it even if it caused a worldwide pandemic. By advancing live bioweapons. Now that was after STARTING it at some point. They (Congress) pursued Obama for funding it domestically, so they (military and CDC) shifted to outsourcing it entirely. To the CCP. When that was exposed, they adjusted again. But Obama stopped it. Great, credit due.
Then who re-authorized it again? Well in Dec 19, 2019, that would be Obama. Not Trump. Trump arrives Jan 20th. This was what Obama really, really wanted and needed to do in that terrible time-crunch as he makes last-minute measures before the ensuing Trump administration. This reversal was a priority and got done. Seems strange and we don’t know why, but ok, fine.
Knowing all this, the CDC did NOT fund domestic bioweapons research…mostly. It was still accessorized in Chapel Hill and probably other places like Deitrick. Instead, going around the Congressional displeasure with domestic bioweapons, then the people disliking ANY bioweapons, the CDC outsourced not just the research but the FUNDING for the research to NAIAD for plausible deniability. This is how Fauci declared neither HE, nor the CDC, funded Wuhan, the CCP, to make world-wide pandemic weapons of mass destruction and openly share them with our rivals. True. However, HE, and the CDC, funded someone ELSE to get ‘r done, with full knowing complicity and evasion. He and the CDC were well aware of Congress’ position on this. That’s why they went third party.
Knowingly? Yes. Bat Lady wrote in her paper a SPECIFIC THANKS to Dr. Fauci, which included the RESEARCH GRANT NUMBER. That is, the check stub. Your tax money FROM the CDC TO NAIAD, TO Wuhan TO the pandemic. That killed you.
Did this happen under the Trump administration? Yes it did. So considering A) Obama re-authorized it a day before Trump took office, and B) the CDC were using specific, deceptive means to continue what was clearly illegal, that from their actions they clearly KNEW was illegal, do you have specific evidence Trump and Fauci are best friends, and Trump specifically commanded him to do so? Or does it make more sense to suppose that – like 90% of the federal government under his tenure – all activities were hidden and opposed just by fact of them being Trump-issued and given? If Fauci was obeying Trump, he was the only one. If so, Fauci is a Trump-puppet, and they’ve been best friends all along, and the media has been lying about the friction between them. Does that seem more plausible, or less? If they were friends, Fauci sure put on a heck of a show, opposing him at every turn, with HCQ, masks, lockdowns, losing the election. You know…ha ha, ol’ pal joke stuff.
When Covid happened, Fauci knew about it immediately. We have his emails. Although during the sudden, unsupported impeachment, Trump shut down air traffic. Fauci protested. With a white-hot spotlight now on this, I propose that they DID trace Obama/Fauci funding before long and shut it off as you say in April 2020. The quote – although I don’t believe the context, because what is known publicly is not what is known privately – in theory a reporter brought it to Trump’s attention — let’s pretend it’s for the first time — and he answers what? “We will end that grant very quickly,” The grant is ended. This quote does NOT show he knew about it, although I’m most certain that he did by the time of that question. The context is that the REPORTER knew, the Intel agencies knew if sources were correct, the president was merely responding to presented allegations.
Would Trump be responsible? Yes, he is the captain and is responsible for what goes on under his watch. However, we understand that for all 1,460 days every intel agency and every employee was refusing to report, refusing to obey, disobeying direct orders as with the troop withdrawals, hiding their actions in 20 layers of subterfuge and deniability as the FBI/DoJ showed, and the CDC’s otherwise-inexplicable funding loop clearly demonstrated.
So if a rogue Federal Employee defies Congress – twice – then takes it upon themselves to not only defy them, and therefore the executive branch, but also to commit accounting fraud, hide the money, hide its purpose, deny their involvement even years later, EVEN when under oath before the same Congress, lie on camera, lie in person, come out and lie on CNN even AFTER it’s commonly revealed…then am I to hold Trump responsible for every employee’s action?
I mean, unless, as you say, Fauci and Trump were best friends, and working closely and secretly together, and you have admissible evidence of this.
What should we do in such a case? Well, investigate, obviously. And someone as innocent as Fauci should have no problem in the case that neither he, nor his friends, nor China, nor the WHO (funded by China) are not in change of that investigation. Instead China has said they’ll nuke us if we so much as LOOK, which is clearly the action of an innocent party with no involvement and nothing to hide.
Personally, I agree with you: Fauci DID do this, under no less than TWO administrations, and probably many more, like ALL of them. He hid this, and had widespread help and support for illegal actions within the CDC and widespread accounting fraud. So I would erase the CDC from the face of the earth, sell their Atlanta office to the Chiropractic and Homeopathic Institute, then plow it under and grow corn after arresting every employee, putting them on trial, and removing their medical licenses and/or their freedom in groups of 5, on national T.V., 24 hours a day for the next twenty years.
…But I suspect even though according to you the CDC did this in collusion with the President, you would not be in favor of that.
They either did it or they didn’t. If they did, it’s easy to prove and admissible in court. If not, it’s crackpot theory with no visible support. Let me know.
June 11, 2021 at 4:34 pm #77137Mister Roboto
ParticipantThis is the coverage that should have been done by the MSMedia-whores but alas couldn’t be done because, well, they’re whores.
Actually, I think that even sex-workers who are in “the oldest profession” to feed a drug-addiction probably have more integrity.
June 11, 2021 at 4:40 pm #77138Mister Roboto
Participant@Mr. House: Back in 2017, I actually told my old friend from the high-school daze that the zealot-followers of both the Trump and Clinton camps were starting to remind me of the cult members from Lord of Illusions!
June 11, 2021 at 4:52 pm #77139Django
ParticipantJust reading the comments of the Guardianistas about lifting lockdown. Many are against the idea. Many reveal an unpleasant cowardice. Many are hypochondriacs. All seem quite at home with their astras r’s and deltas. What a shower.
June 11, 2021 at 5:31 pm #77140Mr. House
ParticipantWorth a watch, only about 30 mins in but the guy to Bretts right is an apologist. All he overs is excuses, which seems to be all the top of society has the last 20 years. Excuses, fire them all now.
June 11, 2021 at 5:49 pm #77141Germ
Participant“As scientists, we have been stunned and disheartened to witness many strange scientific claims made during this pandemic, often by scientists. None is more surprising than the false assertion made in the John Snow Memorandum – and signed by current CDC Director, Rochelle Wolensky – that “there is no evidence for lasting protective immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following natural infection.”
Jay Bhattacharya, Sunetra Gupta, and Martin Kulldorff
https://www.smerconish.com/exclusive-content/the-beauty-of-vaccines-and-natural-immunity
June 11, 2021 at 7:49 pm #77142phoenixvoice
ParticipantI pledge allegiance to the trademark
Of the United States of Corporations
And to the oligarchy
For which it stands
One empire
Under capitalism
Deeply divided
With neoliberalism and injustice for all.June 11, 2021 at 7:55 pm #77143phoenixvoice
ParticipantCDC: “there is no evidence for lasting protective immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following natural infection.”
Well sure, if you close your eyes and your mind to the possibility that there could be lasting protective immunity for Covid survivors, then you can say there is no evidence and pass a lie detector test — because you never looked for or at the evidence.
Just like the words plastered all over the CDC’s website about the Covid vaccines with EUA: “COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.”
A little further down:
“Serious safety problems are rare
“To date, the systems in place to monitor the safety of these vaccines have found only two serious types of health problems after vaccination, both of which are rare. These are anaphylaxis and thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after vaccination with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine.”If you refuse to look in the VAERS for more than two “rare” symptoms…then you won’t find them. And you can continue to state that the vaccines are SAFE.
June 11, 2021 at 8:15 pm #77144upstateNYer
ParticipantPhoenix, good one. Very good.
June 11, 2021 at 8:16 pm #77145my parents said know
ParticipantI am almost through the “How to save the world…” and the more I listen to this sort of discussion, the queasier I get. The US has an incredibly sick pharmacological medical system. The Alzheimer’s drug approval is a recent example.
These guys keep dancing around the bigger agenda.
One thing I learned for Germ, if taking fluvoxamine- don’t drink coffee. I am still suspicious of why an SSRI would be useful.June 11, 2021 at 8:22 pm #77146Mr. House
Participant@myparentsaidknow
Dancing around the agenda, exactly. I was very frustrated with that, they’re scared to take the next logical step. We won’t get anywhere by being cowards, in fact we’ll just endup in more situations like the one we find ourselves in. In fact i’d argue we’ve been cowards the last 20 years. They keep telling us fantastical stories and making excuses for why our lives keep getting worse and we do nothing. Remember that guy who masterminded bringing down the twin towers? I remember hearing rumors he’d actually been dead for some time and was just a boogyman. Then remember when we claimed to have killed him in pakistan but dumped his body at sea? Try and think of the last time .gov actually told the truth about a major event.
June 11, 2021 at 8:25 pm #77147Mr. House
Participanthttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/osama-bin-ladens-body-buried-at-sea/
Yeah they buried him at sea to honor muslim traditions, uh huh ok that was totally the reason.
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