Debt Rattle March 5 2020
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DPC Mott Street, Chinatown, New York c1900 • Wuhan Coronavirus Infections Spike (R.) • Chinese Scientists Identify Two Strains Of The Coronavir
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle March 5 2020]DPC Mott Street, Chinatown, New York c1900
Such an excellent photo…
No matter what you read, what you hear, what you’re told; pay attention to your here and now; that is what to believe as fact! The rest is just theatre…drama…maya…
There has to be a word in some language for the cognitive discomfort one feels, the strange surreality, when the absurd but logical things one expects to happen actually do.
Okay, let’s go the other way. CDC claims Covid has 3% death rate. Wuhan has 20M metro, roughly, and we know has not been contained. Well 20M x 3% = 600,000 dead. Somebody want to show me these people? I will TOTALLY believe you; that fits the response. But 3,000 dead = 0.015%
Can we stop lying now? It’s one way or the other: either people died, or they didn’t. Either it’s 3% or it isn’t. But your math makes no sense. Stop.
11 are dead in America. So you’re saying with no borders, no quarantine, no stop of flying since 1 Jan, there are only 300 people infected among 330M people in 60 days? Stop. You’re hurting my thought-thinker.
There are 138 identified. That means with no testing nationwide, no tracking of people, no knocking on doors, we claim to know HALF of all people infected, and half of those were on the Diamond Princess. Stop.
Maybe we don’t know: certainly the critics think so. In that case, if there were ONE person on Jan 1st, with an R3 (Fibonacci) doubling every 2 days as claimed = 5,702,887 infected and 171,000 U.S. deaths. More because that guy came on a plane carrying 100 passengers. (~50% rate = 267,000,000 infected @ 8,010,00 deaths)
Unless all the whining and screaming stopped it. I swear to God we’re all going to die from hating facts and being bad at math. It’s like herding buffalo over a cliff: so easy a cave man could do it.
Which do you want to give up: the R-naught, the number infected, or the 3% death rate? They can’t all be true. Corollary: if they’re not true, it’s not a pandemic.
“Ask yourself what would happen if the headlines were all exclaiming COVID’s 98% survival rate.” Indeed.
Today:
“We know, irrefutably, one thing about the coronavirus in the United States: The number of cases reported in every chart and table is far too low.”Yes, but of course the conclusion they draw from the lack of evidence is “Panic!”, when it’s equally rational to draw the conclusion “Don’t Panic.” Of course! If it bleeds, it leads, even if I have to pour the ketchup.
“Ask yourself what would happen if the headlines were all exclaiming COVID’s 98% survival rate.”
They cut a roadblock in testing and let the States do it. Reversing centralization and Soviet bureaucracy, and also control. By Rod Rosenstein’s sister. Hopefully this gets somewhere. It’s probably good because all the right people are complaining about the new rule that will free up the test kits. That leaves the problem of the test kits being lousy worldwide, constantly throwing bad results, a feature of the 3-part engineered biovirus.
“Purell for $400? US Lawmaker Urges Amazon to Tamp Down Price Gouging (R.)”
Price controls. Because that’s always worked before! Every time it’s tried! Oh wait, I meant the #Opposite. Now you can have Purell at $1, except the shelves will be empty for the next 100 years and Jimmy has a black market out back where it’s $600, not $400. He pays kickbacks to the police, the party and Senator Markey, (That’s the extra $200) so don’t think of reporting them. Like Epstein, you might not kill yourself.
“The Greatest Victory of the Establishment Since the Defeat of the Huns (Turley)”
Wow, if Karl Rove, John Bolton, and James Comey are on your side, it’s truly the army of the angels. You should be so proud. And the problem here isn’t that they can’t screw Bernie: as commenters here said, they surely would somehow. The problem is, “What Next?” They are going to live down their devout, knee-bowing wish to prefer Trump to a Progressive. ANY Progressive. Ever. Any person in all America that would ever deign to raise wages and help any working man. I don’t think that’s a winner, and it will be less a winner 5 years from now. But if they resist reform, this is what happens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory
“Moscow’s Difficult Decision on Idlib (Lawrence)”
Russia has been working with Turkey a long time. They know what they’re doing. Still annoying though. And long.
I think I agree V.Arnold.
What I perceive as facts, at least so far, is that there is a really nasty “bug” circulating that seems to be more fatal to the sick and elderly (fwiw, I’m elderly). Worse than the flu but know where near anything that would make a popular disaster movie.
The reaction of people is a different matter. Weekend warrior Libertarians, Anarchists, and Socialists are convinced the sky is falling and want the government to fix it. No thanks. And I don’t want to volunteer for mass testing either. I prefer to delay starting that precedent at this time. Once that happens, sheeple will willingly go to government quarantine camps.
Good chance this will happen. MSM and alt media have linked arms and decided the governments should be allowed to do anything to control a viral bug that is no where near disaster. Once precedent is established it then becomes difficult to reverse.Faith
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FaithWhat matters is what I do which is based upon what I believe.
What I believe is based upon the conclusions derived from my perceptions. (what I see, hear, read, and feel.)
Once I have arrived at a conclusion. Changing what I believe is almost impossible.
The facts don’t matter. The math. doesn’t matter. What you believe doesn’t matter.
Its called faith.
There are many faiths.Discussions are postponed due to an emergency. Now, is the time to go and eat.
Ilargi, the story that the UK only has 15 beds for serious respiratory patients which first surfaced with Chris Martenson is misleading. Those are extracorporeal membrane oxygen beds which are also used for other deadly infections . There happen to be very few in this country as well. For corona virus, normal ICU/ventilator beds are just fine for 99% of cases. But not nearly enough of those either if the US really gets hit.
I realized last night, just after I hit “enter” that my speaking of needing something like a food kiosk out in the parking lot, with surfaces that could be easily and repeatedly cleaned, was not specific.
I meant that we need to use a hot-dog stand with easily disinfected surfaces for screening people who wait in their cars after calling in, then go back to their cars and return home after screening.
It can’t share the ventilation system of the main clinic. It really should better be completely open to the air.
It will seem odd, but this is Austin, and we are done with freezes for the year, until next winter.
It is now a big question if various regions have one or both strains, L & S in circulation. It is a further stratification of risk, which supports ongoing heroic attempts to limit spread, identify cases, isolate and treat.Senators Admit US Virus Test Rollout Goals Won’t Be Met: “It’s Way Smaller Than A Million”
Why should you believe him? We have been saying the same thing before he woke up.
What is the cost or profit in making a test kit available and in testing a person for the con virus.?
That is an important question in the USA
The profit question is more important than the 3% that will die and not pay their invoice.If the test says they “have” it, does anything else happen? Or do they go home with a taco and a box of kleenex, unbothered?
I agree Dr, D, If someone is dumb enough to buy Purell then let them buy it. The best way to stop hoarding is to let the market set the price. Especially in this case when there is plenty of Purell available but the shelves are empty due to frightened sheeple. There is a difference between the Purell example and price gouging by pharma, where the cost to provide is low but if you want to live then you’ll figure out how to pay the cost. But the sheeple believed George W when he said that Americans should pay more because of the R&D involved. Never mind that the same drug by the same supplier is only 5% of the cost elsewhere.
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised though. Let’s see Korea/. Viet Nam (domino theory) etc etc etc. Too many to mention.
Had to buy dust masks for my company yesterday from the same industrial supplier I’ve been doing business with for 30 + years. All I can say is that the sheeple have panicked. All medias are having a field day!Re: ICU beds in the UK (the USA has perhaps 10 times as many per capita)
UK population is 66 million.
Lets say only 30% of the population, or 20 million, get infected with the COVID-19 virus.
If 15% of those infected need hospital admission, that’s 3 million.
If 20% of those hospital admissions need ICU care, that makes 600,000 patient needing the ICU (as the pandemic runs its course).The UK has less than 5,000 ICU beds.
So let’s look at some statistics: it is likely that more than 30% of the whole UK population will get Covid-19 – it may be as high as 60% in some estimates. Most will have no or mild illness but maybe one in seven will need hospital admission. Of patients in hospital up to one in five may need ICU care – that would be an unprecedented number of people admitted to ICU. As many as one in 50 of patients known to have Covid-19 may die from it.
In 2012 the UK had about 4,100 critical care beds including ICU beds and “high dependency” beds which are a step down from full ICU care… Germany has approximately four times as many ICU beds per capita as the UK and the USA perhaps 10-fold as many. Data from 2017 suggest little change.
Most UK ICUs therefore run at or above 90% occupancy and often can only admit new patients only by discharging others – even when workload is normal. Covid-19 will increase pressures not only because of weight of numbers but because intermediate treatments for pneumonia and lung failure are “aerosol-generating” (ie they risk spreading the disease) so cannot be used and early recourse to ICU is required.
I’m an ICU doctor. The NHS isn’t ready for the coronavirus crisis
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/03/icu-doctor-nhs-coronavirus-pandemic-hospitalsSome examples – faith/opinion
Blain: Cutting Rates Is Now “About As Relevant As Painting A Sinking Ship”Peter Schiff: They’re Gonna Need A Bigger Rate Cut!
China Hints At Blackmail Over Pharmaceutical Exports, Would “Plunge US Into Mighty Sea Of Coronavirus”
IMF: Virus outbreak will slow global economic growth this year
(Its the con virus)UK airline Flybe goes into bankruptcy as virus hurts demand
(Its the con virus)http://www.johndayblog.com/2020/03/l-straincoronavirus.html
The new coronavirus information yesterday was that there are 2 strains, with different fatality rates. The original “S” strain continues to spread through China, where the data was collected, and causes fewer fatalities. It is less aggressive of a pathogen. The newer “L” strain exploded in Wuhan, and appears to have been responsible for most of the deaths there.
Of course we still don’t know the real numbers, but most estimates are vastly higher than official numbers, and based on cremation rates.
These 2 strains are significantly different, and the rapidity of the arising of the very differently mutated L strain suggest that it entered the ongoing epidemic in Wuhan, and transformed it into a horror-show. The Chinese authorities may have been acting upon the milder illness of the first S strain wave for their early decisions, leading into Chinese New Year.
Of course I wonder what strains are circulating where in our world, but I also really wonder where that deadly L coronavirus strain came from.
The question of how this lab virus got into human circulation is still unsettled in public discourse. I do not believe pangolins got it from bats. This new information again brings up the question of “accident” or “attack” and it is now a 2-pronged question.
Whether the initial novel coronavirus S type was accidental or offensive, I really must favor the second L type coronavirus being an offensive attack.
The killer wave came at a particularly vulnerable moment, with China having set the defensive response way too low. The aggressor could be assured of deeper penetration and more damage, once the defense was set as mainly-propaganda.
How may China respond? To whom might China respond in kind?
(The article below carries on with the approved narrative that these strains are naturally occurring, but points out that “neutral site” mutations diverge by 17%, a vast divergence in regions of the genome, which are not subject to evolutionary selection pressure as viruses multiply and spread. This effectively excludes a natural series of mutations as the cause.)Population genetic analyses of 103 SARS-CoV-2 genomes indicated that these viruses evolved into two major types (designated L and S), that are well defined by two different SNPs that show nearly complete linkage across the viral strains sequenced to date. Although the L type (∼70%) is more prevalent than the S type (∼30%), the S type was found to be the ancestral version. Whereas the L type was more prevalent in the early stages of the outbreak in Wuhan, the frequency of the L type decreased after early January 2020. Human intervention may have placed more severe selective pressure on the L type, which might be more aggressive and spread more quickly.
https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463#authorNotesSectionTitleUS immediately breaks ceasefire it just signed with Afghan Taliban
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/03/us-breaks-its-just-signed-agreement-with-the-taliban.html#moreElizabeth Warren will drop out today.
(Liz Warren should endorse the “other woman of color”, Tulsi Gabbard. Her revenge would be sweet and broad.)
The news has been confirmed by NBC. Warren only had 50 delegates, and it’s likely many will side with Bernie Sanders, who has long since won the battle to be the progressive standard-bearer.
The big question now is: To whom will Warren give her endorsement? Will she swallow her pride, put the acrimony behind her and side with Bernie Sanders, whom she repeatedly touted as an ideological ally against the party ‘establishment’? Or will Warren side with Biden, a move that would undoubtedly infuriate millions of progressives who will presumably follow Bernie leftward?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/elizabeth-warren-drops-out-democratic-primary-nytFistfights erupt in Turkish parliament closed session over Erdogn’s adventurism killing Turkish soldiers in a vain cause.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-massive-brawl-turkish-parliament-after-erdogan-blamed-troop-deathsUS immediately breaks ceasefire it just signed with Afghan Taliban
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/03/us-breaks-its-just-signed-agreement-with-the-taliban.html#moreElizabeth Warren will drop out today.
(Liz Warren should endorse the “other woman of color”, Tulsi Gabbard. Her revenge would be sweet and broad.)
The news has been confirmed by NBC. Warren only had 50 delegates, and it’s likely many will side with Bernie Sanders, who has long since won the battle to be the progressive standard-bearer.
The big question now is: To whom will Warren give her endorsement? Will she swallow her pride, put the acrimony behind her and side with Bernie Sanders, whom she repeatedly touted as an ideological ally against the party ‘establishment’? Or will Warren side with Biden, a move that would undoubtedly infuriate millions of progressives who will presumably follow Bernie leftward?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/elizabeth-warren-drops-out-democratic-primary-nytDr D, so are you claiming that all 20 million people in Wuhan are infected by the virus? Clearly you must be to come up with your figures. There’s contained, and there’s containment procedures. In your version people must be running around kissing one another on the mouth willy nilly.
So Dr. D, what you’re saying is the statistics for this “new disease” do not correspond to the hyperbole and hysteria. Btw, what follows in no way detractsfm from the fact that each individual’s major illness or death is a catastrophe.
The con man or alternately the betting man says “let’s just wait and see what happens”.
Here’s a genuine example of how probability and statistics establish the “rigged” game in medicine, but from the other direction.Patient X arrived in specialty clinic with undiagnosed condition of which most humans are familiar that occurs 50 out of 100,000 times in the adult population. The expression of this not-so-uncommon condition in the specialists bodily area of expertise occurs in 2% of cases. The expression of this condition signifies a survival for the patient of 7.9 weeks, yes, as in 1.9 months.
While counseling the aforementioned patient about the diagnosis, implications and prognosis, a second patient awaits counseling for another previously undiagnosed condition that has already resulted in irreparable sensory loss in the affected organ. This condition occurs in 1 out of 5,000 people.So far, what are the chances these two patients, indeed these two unrelated events happened consecutively? Well, it’s crudely the product of the individual chances Or:
50/100,000 x 2/100 x 1/5,000 = 100/50 billion
Or
1 out of 500 million (rarer than winning a qPowerball lottery)But the story doesn’t end there. While counseling those first two patients, a very junior hospital administrator interrupts the specialist and informs her that her immediate attention is required elsewhere in the medical center to address a sensory threatening postoperative complication in a patient operated on by two other surgeon’s, a complication that occurs about 1 in 10,000 cases.
Other than astronomical, what is the chance these 3 unrelated events landed on the same specialists lap at the same time/consecutively? A product of the chances, Or:
1/500,000,000 x 1/10,000 = 1/5,000,000,000,000
One out of 5 trillion
That’s the definition of a rigged game.
In a master stroke of logic in this scenario, the employer retained the pulmonologist who failed to order a chest CT, the neurologist who never ordered an MRI of the brain, the surgeons who failed to respond to their patient’s postop emergency, and family practitioner chief of the medical staff who failed to fill the call schedule.
How do you think the leaders of a medical system capable of that recklessness are going to handle a bonafide crisis? They’re going to use marketing slogans, propaganda and political posturing to bamboozle their patients, patrons and general public.
I just need to get this in and then I’ll go back up and read the bits:
Everclear comes in 75.5% and 95% grades of pure ethanol. I carry a tiny spray bottle of it with me in the wintertime- I just spritz the potentially offending surface or my hands (I hate the goo in the purell-type stuff). It takes a bit of time for to evaporate, and the spritzer I use produces an extremely fine mist.
When I get colds, I get ’em bad. They so often “go away” and then drop into my lungs a week later.
Do corticosteroids play any role in the treatment of these viruses?The 10 elements of an unstoppable engineered biovirus are named here:
https://www.oftwominds.com/blogfeb20/unstoppable2-20.htmlThis means the possibility of quarantine is near zero, and certainly when lacking measures like building a fence and shooting any thousands who venture into no-mans land, while catapulting in supplies. That sounds bizarre, except that’s what they did during the Plague, an actual disease with an actual death rate.
So do the people in Wuhan have it? Um, unless they were surrounded by angels flapping their wings, then yes. Give me any plausible scenario where anyone could NOT have it. Remember it has a 40-day incubation, a re-infection rate, lives in dogs and cats, and 9 days on surfaces and climbs the damp pipes through buildings.
I’m sure quite a number of people who sheltered DON’T have it. But they are starving. As soon as they leave their apartment, they WILL have it. So will the men delivering the food. And soon I’ll have it, too if I don’t already. So thank God it’s only a bad flu.
Again, I am missing something here, but even more that we’ve proven there are two viruses, China has admitted COVID is from the lab, the virus chimera has three Crispr pieces including HIV and SARS, it seems only logical that they released a VERY bad virus that killed 600k-1,000k and the only cure was a) it’s extremely racial (unlikely) or b) they IMMEDIATELY released a downgraded but still quite dangerous version right on top of it to stamp it out. And thank goodness, considering. Because of structure, this downgrade is still quite racial via ACE2 receptors, but nowhere near the mortality of the actual weapon they were so proud of when they crowed in open papers on it.
Next bet: what makes you think we didn’t know this, and the Dark State released it? Although they must have rock-solid, definitely convinced China it was China’s own fault or they’d have nuked us back already, that doesn’t mean it’s TRUE, just that they believed it. The timing is very, VERY suspicious, and not for China, but for a Deep State who’s always said (essentially) that they would do this, and has been smoking red-hot for implementing all the very specific social and infrastructure features that would protect the elite in case of a biovirus. Stay tuned.
In any case, I imagine from the reaction that yes, from above, yes from the 10 engineered features, everyone in charge knows it cannot BE stopped. But we CAN stop millions from dying in panic, shortages, market crashes, and resulting war. So we’re doing that. It’s also only as bad as a bad year in influenza, which is 650k/yr EVERY YEAR, and +1M in a bad year. Yawn, no one cares because the flu is REAL and not on Facebook and Twitter. In #AntiReality, we only care what’s on T.V., not when your house is falling down or your daughter’s in danger from the guy next door. Who’s the principal/police chief. That’s not exciting: who cares about that? We only care when O’Brien TELLS us to care. So we’re going to have a +1M death rate, easy. Aaaaaand just like we do every year when no one cared.
Just like the 30,000 opioid deaths we had and no one cared.
Just like the 10,000 war deaths we had and no one cared.
Just like the 645,000 heart disease deaths we had and no one cared.
Just like the 1,250,000 traffic deaths we have and no one cared.
Just like the 828,000 suicide deaths we have and no one cared.
Just like the 61,000 legal prescription drug deaths and no one cared.
Just like the 251,000 malpractice deaths we had and no one cared.We have 11 deaths. Newsflash: I don’t care.
Clearly I am 3,075,000 times more likely to die from the causes above. So are you.
I’d worry about your pension being stolen and your house repossessed. Or even administrative reform in Dr. D’s ward. Those will actually kill you. Covid won’t. Unless you can show me some numbers.
“Unless you can show me some numbers.”
No tests means no numbers.
I hope that we are not too close to the spitting distancesThe con virus
There are 3 virus. The L and S virus have been identified in the lab.
The Con virus has been identified by the bloggers.
It the oil for the printing press. It hides all errors and scams produced by the elites.Update (1450ET): VP Mike Pence said Thursday that the Coast Guard had delivered coronavirus tests to the ‘Grand Princess’ cruise ship off the coast of San Francisco. Pence also admitted during an update from the White House task force that the CDC doesn’t have enough tests to meet anticipated demand going forward, while HHS Secretary Azar said earlier that 75,000 test kits would be shipped by the end of the week.
This is really not helping the administration deflect criticisms that it failed to adequately prepare for the virus.
Meanwhile, Washington’s King County, part of suburban Seattle, has just reported another 20 cases of Covid-19, increasing the state of Washington’s total by roughly 20%.
—–Dr. D
We can blame Alain Enthoven for this predicament and his personal war on physician/MD autonomous authority. It took 50+ years, but we’ve been reduced to technicians, opportunists capitalizing off the sick, frail and wounded.It has the strange effect economically of kind of giving the population a little shake that says ‘hey the govt’ won’t really look after you. The media lie to you. The banks and corporations are out to get you. You have to start to look after yourselves’
That’s what this tiny little virus mixed in the age of too much fake news and weirdness is telling us.
In Australia the reaction has been to clean out all the supermarkets of toilet paper – which is Freud for “I am now shitting myself”
I just look forward to the seed section being cleaned out. Then we are headed in the right direction.
Dr D. You are onto it – it is a thing but it is a heist. Even if it is not a bullshit story there are just so many bullshit stories that you have to just put it in there with the rest by default.Dr D: Jon Rappoport (Nomorefakenews) has been down on flu statistics for a long time. Ed Curtain has a post that points out that the CDC admits to 3,482 flu deaths [as of the post, which is March 2].
We get sick. Sometimes we get really, really sick. Most of the time we never know what hit us.
By the way, I have seen death by cancer much too often now to care about heart disease at my late stage of life. Give me a heart attack any day.“That sounds bizarre, except that’s what they did during the Plague, an actual disease with an actual death rate.”
As a writer, I of course admire Dr D’s literary style. Even out of context, the above pleases me silly.
We’re just getting started on reverse engineering the origin of Covid19 using genetic forensics coupled with know mutation rates of many viruses that have been cataloged.
Any virus mutates as it goes through host populations. They tend to get selected to be less virulent because they will run out of ‘host’ if they kill everything in sight.
Who ever let this baby out, it’s origin will be found.
From Taiwanese TV
(Note: haplotypes are used to differentiate mutations from a common source, they provide a timeline pointing back to a source, they are not different viruses, just flavors of a single one if you will)
“The man in the video is a top virologist and pharmacologist (Taiwan) who performed a long and detailed search for the source of the virus. He spends the first part of the video explaining the various haplotypes (varieties, if you will), and explains how they are related to each other, how one must have come before another, and how one type derived from another. He explains this is merely elementary science and nothing to do with geopolitical issues, describing how, just as with numbers in order, 3 must always follow 2.
One of his main points is that the type infecting Taiwan exists only in Australia and the US and, since Taiwan was not infected by Australians, the infection in Taiwan could have come only from the US.
The basic logic is that the geographical location with the greatest diversity of virus strains must be the original source because a single strain cannot emerge from nothing. He demonstrated that only the US has all the five known strains of the virus (while Wuhan and most of China have only one, as do Taiwan and South Korea, Thailand and Vietnam, Singapore, and England, Belgium and Germany), constituting a thesis that the haplotypes in other nations may have originated in the US.
Korea and Taiwan have a different haplotype of the virus than China, perhaps more infective but much less deadly, which would account for a death rate only 1/3 that of China.
Neither Iran nor Italy were included in the above tests, but both countries have now deciphered the locally prevalent genome and have declared them of different varieties from those in China, which means they did not originate in China but were of necessity introduced from another source. It is worth noting that the variety in Italy has approximately the same fatality rate as that of China, three times as great as other nations, while the haplotype in Iran appears to be the deadliest with a fatality rate of between 10% and 25%. (7) (8) (9)
Due to the enormous amount of Western media coverage focused on China, much of the world believes the coronavirus spread to all other nations from China, but this now appears to have been proven wrong. With about 50 nations scattered throughout the world having identified at least one case at the time of writing, it would be very interesting to examine virus samples from each of those nations to determine their location of origin and the worldwide sources and patterns of spread….”
Continuing from the Taiwanese Tv show:
“The Virologist further stated that the US has recently had more than 200 “pulmonary fibrosis” cases that resulted in death due to patients’ inability to breathe, but whose conditions and symptoms could not be explained by pulmonary fibrosis. He said he wrote articles informing the US health authorities to consider seriously those deaths as resulting from the coronavirus, but they responded by blaming the deaths on e-cigarettes, then silenced further discussion. …
The Taiwanese doctor then stated the virus outbreak began earlier than assumed, saying, “We must look to September of 2019”.
He stated the case in September of 2019 where some Japanese traveled to Hawaii and returned home infected, people who had never been to China.
This was two months prior to the infections in China and just after the CDC suddenly and totally shut down the Fort Detrick bio-weapons lab claiming the facilities were insufficient to prevent loss of pathogens. (10) (11)
He said he personally investigated those cases very carefully (as did the Japanese virologists who came to the same conclusion).. This might indicate the coronavirus had already spread in the US but where the symptoms were being officially attributed to other diseases, and thus possibly masked.”
This makes me wonder whether a variety of Covid19 is already widely distributed in the US since Sept 2019.
The US still has no test kits widely available NOW at the local level, and certainly not back then in Sept 2019.
News Flash:
“South Korea has just managed to test more than 140,000 people for the coronavirus, using kits with sensitivity rates of over 95 per cent from kits made from local factories”The US to date has tested a couple thousand, well played!
The US response is a clown show.
The logic seems to say, “If we don’t test we don’t have it!”
Kinda like the dumb blond who told the bank manager after being called about an overdraft,” I can’t be out of money, I still have checks!”
China’s Coronavirus: A Shocking Update. Did The Virus Originate in the US?
For what reason would the Chinese engineer a virus which attacks Asian people, particularly?
Makes zero sense to this one…
…the majorities grasp of reality is questionable at best…Fort Detrick is the US bio-weapon Skunk Works Clown Show
Fort Detrick lab shut down after failed safety inspection; all research halted indefinitely
Yesterday was the second anniversary of the Salisbury England poisonings. One fatality and two gone missing. One, Yulia Skripal, a Russian citizen. But no judicial hearings. The COVID-19 outbreak is just as weird.
China for the first month hid the outbreak and then suddenly quarantined Wuhan and extended the Lunar Holiday completely shutting down its industries and transport. Singapore and South Korea also enforced similar draconian measures. No government does this unless facing an existential threat. Italy, a developed country, is unlikely to inflate its 3.5% death rate. If anything it is higher.
The American government is insanely lackadaisical. From the start its response has been a series of horrific SNAFUs. Due to failed tests and no surveillance, the USA has absolutely no idea of the location and extent of the epidemic in the USA. Donald Trump said today people infected with the novel coronavirus will get better “by sitting around and even going to work.”
All reports indicate from infected areas indicate that 15% to 20% of the ill will need hospital care. The virus is so contagious it is estimated 50% or more Americans will be infected. That is 22 million Americans. Three coronavirus cases were just confirmed in my State. This will crash the healthcare system. Not to mention the death of millions of old farts like me. Likely before the November election.
What does Donald Trump know that I don’t?
Either we are victims of a evil conspiracy to eliminate the unproductive and there is an existing vaccine for the connected or the rot is so deep from wealth extraction that society is collapsing upon itself which the Establishment cannot acknowledge.
I don’t know what kind of hat that I should wear.
Just what TAE, and comments have, would make more than 3 s-f books.
Is there a “Tom Clancy” hidding here?Now here is a new theory from a virologist who has close connections to Korea. He believes that the virus may have a symbiotic relationship with (otherwise) harmless bacteria in the environment. He notes that in some ways the spread of the virus is similar to bacterial diseases. If this is true, the virus can infect the bacteria and “hide” in the bacteria — before it reemerges. Fascinating theory.
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2020/03/119_285655.html
Again, stepping back; the cv-19 is a virus; apart from that; nobody knows squat.
The virus is not understood; transmission is not understood, how the virus works is not understood; its origins are not known; the fatality rate is not known; who is and is not vulnerable, is not understood; and on and on and on…
All the chatter is nothing more than fear; humans cannot stand those things it does not understand; and especially if those unknowns can kill them…
Fear is a thief; don’t let it steal from you…Dave Note:. Thanks for putting forth the info on tracing the origins of the coronavirus.
There does seem to be a battle royal going on about where the virus started!
Dr. D.:. Up here in Canada all they are doing is testing, then sending everyone home to self quarantine.
Nobody is being admitted to the hospitals.
What I do find very strange is the lack of test kits.
V Arnold:. If you ignore what governments say, and just watch what they do, you can develop your own answer as to whether this coronavirus is serious or not.
Dr. D. :. Another thing health officials are doing up here in Canada, is after someone tests positive, and is sent home to self quarantine, is they are contacting possible contacts and asking these people to self monitor, and if they get sick to self quarantine.
Again very little testing is being done. Obviously hiding the lack of test kits.
Raul:. Very nice picture showing horse polution! You know the stuff before cars!
The kind of polution that smelled, attacted flies and other insects! Very nice to step into too!
Yes, I remember my Father talking about how wonderful those days were! Not!
As a kid, they used to take a new carefully unwrapped soap wrapper, remove the soap, and then insert horse dung into said soap wrapper, rewrap, and then leave it at someone’s door for discovery!
Yes the good old days!
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