Debt Rattle May 11 2020
Home › Forums › The Automatic Earth Forum › Debt Rattle May 11 2020
- This topic has 26 replies, 13 voices, and was last updated 4 years, 10 months ago by
John Day.
-
AuthorPosts
-
May 11, 2020 at 11:14 am #58636
Raúl Ilargi Meijer
KeymasterAndre Derain Boats at Collioure 1905 • Wuhan Reports 5 New Coronavirus Cases, Its Highest Surge In 2 Months (RT) • New Zealand To Reopen Malls,
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle May 11 2020]May 11, 2020 at 12:10 pm #58637Raúl Ilargi Meijer
KeymasterIs it true that there are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on earth?
May 11, 2020 at 12:11 pm #58638WES
ParticipantUp here in Toronto we have snow on the ground!
Global warming!
May the ghost of Seth Rich haunt the deep state!
May 11, 2020 at 12:16 pm #58639WES
ParticipantWell, if there are that many stars out there, then there are not enough people on Earth to investigate them!
May 11, 2020 at 1:28 pm #58640zerosum
ParticipantFind the lies
• Unemployment Numbers ‘Will Get Worse Before They Get Better’ – Mnuchin (NPR)
“This is no fault of American business, this is no fault of American workers, this is a result of a virus,”
——-• A 6.4 Million Discrepancy In The Employment Report (Mish)
——
• Schumer Calls On VA Dep. To Explain Use Of HCQ (AP)
——-
Meanwhile in the real world…Maybe this should read “French Doctors Attempt Mass Cull Of Their Patients”.
• Number Of Hydroxychloroquine Prescriptions Explodes In France (F.)
As reported by La Provence, a study looking at the 466 million French prescriptions written since the pandemic began in France, show a huge spike in doctors prescribing the drug.
——-
• Zinc Hope In Coronavirus Fight (Telegraph India)Doctors have reported that adding zinc sulfate, a dietary supplement, to hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin may benefit patients with coronavirus disease, adding a twist to the controversy over the rationale for prescribing hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19.
—–
WOW!The leaked contract between Juan Guaidó and the Silvercorp USA mercenary firm closely resembles a DEA bounty placed on the head of President Nicolas Maduro and members of his inner circle this March. The deal tacitly authorizes the elimination of working class Venezuelans in proposed death squad activities by Silvercorp.
By Alan MacLeodRead the attachments to the General Services Agreement between the Venezuelan opposition and Silvercorp
Updated May 6, 2020 at 5:01 PM
——–
WOW … Double …. WOW
We now know there is no evidence Russia hacked the DNC and sent the hacked emails to WikiLeaks. Crowdstrike admitted this under oath and the Mueller Report backs this up.—–
Dodge Ball
When I was young, we use to know,
“People are promoted to their level of incompetence.”Thought for the day from
@nntaleb
“the higher you go, the more incompetent institutions are. The most incompetent people are in places such as the WHO and the US Centres for Disease Control; the most competent people are in small villages.”
———
Lying, Shift the Blame, helps you win Dodge BallMay 11, 2020 at 1:43 pm #58641Mr. House
Participant“NSA, FBI, DNI have all been lying about Seth Rich for 4 years; hard to believe Mueller wasn’t in on it.
Why? They all knew the correspondence would kill off the Russian hacking story, and exonerate Assange. Couldn’t let that happen.”
Who killed Seth Rich? But the virus is on the level, we wouldn’t lie about that. No sir, we are paragons of virtue
May 11, 2020 at 1:49 pm #58642zerosum
ParticipantWES
I got this for you
(How to play Dodge ball)
Bill Morneau, Minister of Finance
Announcement of new economic supports for workers, LEEFF
(Truth … Aid for large businesses who were in trouble before the virus emergency action)May 11, 2020 at 2:01 pm #58643zerosum
ParticipantWhen will the leaders listen to the mothers saying, “Bring my boy home”
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/joint-chiefs-staff-members-sidelined-covid-19-alarm-grows-over-white-house-exposure
Since the devastating arrival of the pandemic in North America, the Pentagon has been preoccupied with the incredibly difficult task of finding a balance between protecting the health of the troops on the one hand, while also maintaining optimum defense readiness while rivals like China and Russia look on.May 11, 2020 at 2:48 pm #58644Raúl Ilargi Meijer
KeymasterI’ve been wondering aloud how far Sidney Powell will take matters even before she achieved the dismissal of Michael Flynn’s case. And pondering that his case might be thrown out so as not to further implicate and embarrass all manner of characters. And now she’s shown at least part of her hand:
Obama Participated In Plot To Frame Flynn: Sidney Powell
The whole thing was orchestrated and set up within the FBI, [former Director of National Intelligence James] Clapper, [Former CIA Director John] Brennan, and in the Oval Office meeting that day with President Obama,” said Powell.
Trey Gowdy says Obama need not be implicated, but I would venture it’s out of his hands, and not only because he left the House. Powell represents her client, not the nation, as he did. And her angle is very different; as an attorney, she has access to different and perhaps more information. Plus, she doesn’t need to make friends.
Former Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC), meanwhile, doesn’t think we need to investigate Obama, since we already have “Comey, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, Strzok,” adding “if that’s not enough for the executive branch to be embarrassed. I mean, it doesn’t have to go all the way up to the President.”
If Obama was actively involved, that should come out. Not that it’s clear right now, mind you. But we should know what he knew when. This bit of bad theater has taken long enough.
May 11, 2020 at 2:59 pm #58645anticlimactic
ParticipantHCQ
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) say that HCQ can help at least 90% of C19 sufferers, probably more if the treatment is started as soon as the patient develops severe symptoms.
Hydroxychloroquine Has about 90 Percent Chance of Helping COVID-19 Patients
One treatment from a New York doctor was :
Zinc sulfate, 220 milligrams once a day, five days.
Hydroxychloroquine, 200 milligrams twice a day, five days.
Azithromycin, 500 milligrams once a day, five days.There seems to be two main reasons for the campaign against HCQ. The first is from those who hate Trump and do not this to be used because he said it could help. The second is from those with links to pharma who want a chance to make money out of C19, and possibly to certain oligarchs who have their own agenda. In my opinion deliberately withholding treatment using HCQ is manslaughter at the very least!
Again from the AAPS, an article about Remdesvir vs, HCQ :
A link to links covering antibody tests as well as info on ZINC, HCQ and AZN :
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O6Cls-Oz2ZAgJuyDbnICEGjMvQPEyM-aaXARUomR9Ww/edit
May 11, 2020 at 3:43 pm #58646zerosum
ParticipantFind the lies
This story is better than fiction.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/venezuela-raid-jordan-goudreau-cliver-alcala-maduro/2020/05/10/767c3386-9194-11ea-9322-a29e75effc93_story.html
How ex-Green Beret and a defecting general planned to capture Venezuela’s MaduroFaiola reported from Miami, Boburg from Washington and Herrero from Caracas. Alex Horton, Dalton Bennett and John Woodrow Cox in Washington and Mariana Zuñiga in Caracas contributed to this report.
May 10, 2020 at 3:04 p.m. PDTMay 11, 2020 at 3:55 pm #58647Raúl Ilargi Meijer
KeymasterThe first AAPS article was in the May 1 Debt Rattle. I remember a lot of negative comments about them, which I still don’t get. Well, other than the HCQ vs remdesivir multi-billion idiocy. Good to see Fauci’s role explained more/better, and that remdesivir is an intravenous drug only, something I hadn’t noticed yet.
It really has a “sell ice to Eskimos” quality: a drug which doesn’t do anything but maybe shorten a hospital stay by 1 or 2 days, used to push a drug that’s been perfectly safe since the 1950’s out of the market, and that comes in little pills, not needles. this is going to cost lives, obviously, and nobody will ever be the wiser.
May 11, 2020 at 4:07 pm #58648zerosum
ParticipantIlargi
“sell ice to Eskimos”
Its too bad that there are so few people who have the time or inclination to find the truth.May 11, 2020 at 4:35 pm #58649Dr. D
ParticipantYaneer still high as a kite. Nobody even in the quarantine is following quarantine. We have a fantasy-theater quarantine, where virtually everything is happening. You know, like airports where despite cancer x-rays and body-cavity searches, they stopped no bombs in all 20 years of the tests run. Even supposing we had a quarantine, which we don’t, in this case, 14 days (still!) when the time is known to be 40, AND it wouldn’t matter – even a little! – if it were, since most people end up non-symptomatic carriers. Also known. From the first weeks. Maybe they should just get a test instead? But no, Yaneer is running this debunked, non-scientific study, as is the CDC and discredited WHO. And I’m supposed to listen to him. Gah. I’d rather listen to ducks qvack than this nonsense.
So what does Yaneer think he stopping except the economy and his feels?
I stopped writing because I realized, like Yaneer, nobody cares about science and facts. It’s discouraging.
Lockdowns work great except when people are involved either as the manager or the population. Then they cheat and it’s a fantasy, you know like Cuomo and Lightfoot, but also packed Wal-Mart and Home Depot while Pa’s Hardware has been run out of business, and although we can have 5,000 people a day in Target we can’t have an election. Never that.Back to now-discarded “science”: for instance, unless N.Z. stays locked down –forever–, they will immediately get it on the first flight. In direct opposition to every medical plan on earth, they now have no herd immunity and are therefore completely exposed. Congratulations, #Winning. I thought the plan was to get immunity, but now you’re trying to NOT get immunity? You want #AntiImmunity? For the vaccine we don’t have? WTF explain this to me.
I realized, like Yaneer, nobody cares about science and facts. This isn’t even rocket-surgery, it’s literal headlines.
“Schumer Calls on VA Dep. To Explain Use of HCQ (AP)”
So we’ve had the cure (treatment) since the 2005 CDC but we’re required to let people die? So many questions: what pandemic if we have the cure? Would Captain Stupidhead like to say this now, or only after the war with China? Does somebody want to ask in the Presser about this report they published 15 years ago? Oh, really? Why is that the only question that cannot be asked? If not, somebody want to ask why nobody wears a mask, stays apart or looks concerned in the White House? Does that have something to do with the open mic that said the numbers are super-low and they have a cure? And now front page they “got it” in the White House? Why would I care when nobody dies?
Nope. Never ask. Panic. All going to die. Forever. Fingers, made for pointing. Agitation, unrest, for anything but asking questions and reading. Anything but using their own consensus facts and their obvious implications.
“others issued warnings that the drug can cause severe health impacts if taken in an unsupervised capacity,”
Huh. And here it was the doctors prescribing it under their express, exclusive, expert care. So why did you waste your breath writing that sentence? ALL prescription drug are the same, exactly like this one, unless you got child labor to write this article who was unaware of that. And hey, why don’t these doctors believe Fauci, the media, the CDC, the WHO, and the pharmaceutical companies? Is it because they’re always wrong and always lying and have been caught lying multiple times this time too?
“zinc sulfate, a dietary supplement, to hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin may benefit patients”
Point. As known the first week. But go ahead and voluntarily kill everyone and say “Oops” if you want, then call your intentional, criminal malpractice an epidemic. Clearly everyone will believe you, and they will kill everyone around them with their good intentions.
““This is no fault of American business, this is no fault of American workers, this is a result of a virus,”
No, it is the fault of the GOVERNMENT, who made a VOLUNTARY decision. Agree or disagree, but take responsibility for it, the one thing government can never do. YOU did this, NOT the virus.
Why wouldn’t Derp State/Maduro hire the mercenary themselves just to capture them? They get all their money and hardware back when they capture them. The best opposition you can buy. My first thought since it makes no sense and they’d have to dig pretty deep to find someone this stupid and credible to even attempt it.
May 11, 2020 at 7:21 pm #58650WES
ParticipantDr. D:
Maybe “Maduro” is rapidly running out of real money (gold) to spend to stay in power!
May 11, 2020 at 7:35 pm #58651WES
ParticipantZerosum:
Yes, I noticed my wallet is a little lighter this morning than it was yesterday!
I know I didn’t spend any money because I haven’t left the house in over a week!
So now I know who spent my money for me!
May 11, 2020 at 8:21 pm #58652PlanetaryCitizen
ParticipantThe whole M. Flynn story that’s trying to get sold is a crock of unmitigated shit. Trump was warned by Obama and Sally Yates that he was a security risk and that he was being paid by RT as well as Turkey. Any one who knows anything about law enforcement knows that they make a plan about how to go about making their case when they decide to go after someone. Sydney Powell is his lawyer and will say anything to get him off. Barr is Trumps toady and will do his dirty work for him. That we know already. Trey Gowdy is a slut that will do and say anything to further the Republican partisan cause. Dragging Benghazi out for years to try and create whatever smut he thought he could fabricate for political gain. Flynn confessed twice to lying about speaking to the Russian Amb. Trump fired him because he lied to Pence. You know, because he and Pence were unaware of his intentions when he spoke to Kislyak, which is a violation of the Logan act. So the whole hub bub is about FBI deciding whether to get him to confess about violating the Logan act or to lie about it. Flynn chose the latter. He should be in jail.
May 11, 2020 at 10:40 pm #58653Huskynut
ParticipantWow – I find myself in (rare) full agreement with Taleb today. Managing response at the most regional level is indeed the only rational path forward.
Still.. though I accept his point that economies have historically and inevitably contracted during times of pandemic, this is a somewhat dangerous comparison. They didn’t have access to gene sequencers, the internet, cloud compute etc etc. Their only rational response was maximum caution (at maximum economic cost). We do have access to those tools, and the useful role of WHO/CDC etc would be in providing platforms to host anonymised master data record sets that could be accessed widely to allow correlation and inference. Like Worldometer but with actually useful data.
I was trawling through the just-released official advice to the NZ government from the scientists at the University of Otago. Their first paper, released in February was naturally high level and cautious due to lack of info at that time. But it did mention that they doubted NZ would follow international trends such as China due to NZ factors such as lower population density, low use of mass transport, relatively good population health, and good air quality. Bingo.
The next paper in March 23rd, when more data is available omits any mention of those external factors. This was the one whose modelling was taken apart by the economist at Tailrisk. It’s not a bad paper, but the narrative focuses solely on the worst case possibility. That’s strange, considering the scientists were awake to that possibility previously. I suspect they lacked the courage to stand up to the prevailing international narratives at that time.
The final paper, released March 24th dispenses with any counterfactuals entirely. It takes the worst case scenario from the previous day and presents it alone. Presumably they were given a political directive to do exactly that – it’s incredibly unlikely the previously tentative scientists decided to take that path themselves.
So there’s a concrete record for anyone that cares that tracks the descent of science from initial common sense through to herd thinking through to total scientific collapse in the face of political objectives. Again, unless radical transparency is a baked-in feature of the process, we will get shit politically-motivated decisions, not good ones.On another note – Dr D.. I’ve noticed your lack of posting and missed it. You consistent rage in the face of shit-fuckery is a wonderful exemplar. I hope you can maintain it.
May 11, 2020 at 11:53 pm #58654zerosum
ParticipantWrong, there is proof of wrong doing
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/guaido-advisers-quit-bungled-venezuela-raid-200511200002059.html
Guaido advisers quit following bungled Venezuela raid
Opposition leader Juan Guaido has denied any involvement in the attempte raid aimed at toppling Nicolas Maduro.
Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido has accepted the resignation of a United States-based adviser Juan Rendon, his press team said on Monday, after Rendon acknowledged discussions with a US security firm to topple President Nicolas Maduro.Guaido thanked Rendon and another exiled legislator, Sergio Vergara, who also resigned from the opposition’s “crisis strategy commission,” for their “dedication and commitment to Venezuela,” without giving a reason for the decision.
Goudreau, Rendon said, then went ahead with an operation led by two former US soldiers to capture Maduro. The plot failed, and Venezuelan authorities said security forces killed eight members during one May 3 incursion attempt and arrested a dozen more, including the two US citizens, the following day.May 12, 2020 at 1:02 am #58655Bill7
Participant‘Against the Corona Panic, Part XI: Stay-Open Sweden set to lose 0.02% of total population to Coronavirus, in line with usual peak flu years; 2020 may equal 2018 in total mortality; why did we destroy the economy over this?’:
“The end of the Panic Pandemic should be at hand by now. It would (long) be, if the matter were entirely evidence-driven. The apocalyptic virus it was so aggressively marketed to be has turned into a minor flu virus.
The evidence pointing against the Panic had been there all along, but ignored and suppressed. Strangely, the pro-Panic side doesn’t want to hear the good news, which raises questions of its own.
Not only did the pro-Panic side ignore the evidence and actively suppress the early evidence, they busily set up a religion around the Panic, entrenching it and giving it eternal privileges from criticism or skeptical inquiry, or logical consistency (flattening the curve turned into elimination of the virus, a fool’s errand). As the core doctrines of the Corona religion were steadily refuted, they dug in. How this happened, reconstructing what went wrong with the Coronavirus Mass Delusion event of 2020, is the most interesting question of the hour..”
I too wish to thank Dr. D for his cogent comments, especially regarding the Dreaded™ Pathogen..
-Bill7
May 12, 2020 at 2:22 am #58656VietnamVet
ParticipantAgain, the “End Coronavirus.org” graphs are very interesting. The winning green states, Hawaii and both Montana and Alaska in the winter, are islands. To keep it this way they will have to test everyone entering the state. Hawaii and Alaska can require a negative virus test at their airports, for cruise ships departures, or a 14 day quarantine like Austria. This will keep these states safe but what can Montana do? Close their borders? Universal testing in the USA would solve this problem.
Right next door to each other, green Vermont is winning and red New Hampshire is losing the fight against the Wuhan coronavirus. Both declared an emergency on the same date. What is Vermont doing right than New Hampshire didn’t do? The rest of the USA should do it too. But an incompetent White House has sidelined the dysfunctional CDC, the federal agency tasked to find these answers. This is what killed 80,690 Americans to date with many more to come.
The virus needs new hosts to propagate. Human “know-nothingness”, greed and gross error are aiding the contagion.
May 12, 2020 at 2:51 am #58657my parents said know
ParticipantThis is one of my takeaways from Dr. D:
Labor is an asset. It is not a liablility.
Labor creates wealth by producing things and services.
Wealth that is not created by labor is specious.
Specious wealth ruins lives and economies.
Governments abet specious wealth.
The bigger a government gets the more mind-boggling the specious wealth.Also:
Most everything done by governments is a PR stunt to get you to think more government is better. The speciously wealthy love more government as a means to more wealth and power.
Governments lie (cajole, seduce, scam, flim-flam, evade, manipulate, etc), as they are all PR campaigns to create bigger government. There are no limits on these campaigns.When we can’t say ‘NO” we have no free will.
I cannot disagree with any of these things.
May 12, 2020 at 3:03 am #58658V. Arnold
ParticipantThe virus needs new hosts to propagate. Human “know-nothingness”, greed and gross error are aiding the contagion.
What is truly remarkable (or not[?]), is the fact we know almost nothing about this virus; but never-the-less, charge full steam in circles, and tout we’re making progress…
The progress seems to be the death, en mass, of humans across all age groups…
Factor in the economic collapse and subsequent unemployment and deaths are increasing which have no direct result of the virus itself; just more stupid human tricks, IMO…May 12, 2020 at 3:57 am #58659V. Arnold
ParticipantIs it true that there are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on earth?
No idea. How many universes? Stars? Are they not an uncountable entity?
I’m of a mind that we humans, when compared to the few remaining indiginous peoples (and our own ancient’s), are butt ignorant and completely untethered from our roots and a wisdom; that can only be gotten to by a regrounding and a degree of shunning of distractions…
Most of us, if we’re lucky, will only reconnect at our moment of death…IMHO…May 12, 2020 at 6:16 am #58660WES
ParticipantPlanetaryC:
You need to find the answer as to why Flynn was targeted by Obama.
You will not like the answer you find.
May 12, 2020 at 8:35 am #58668Huskynut
ParticipantWES
“You need to find the answer as to why Flynn was targeted by Obama.”
Oh, indeed. This is a good summary:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/obamagate-trump-tweets-tucker-carlsons-crushing-breakdown-why-former-president-should-beMay 12, 2020 at 11:56 am #58679John Day
ParticipantBusy 3-day-weekend of work for me. Picture on blog of me before we poured work slab for workshop:
http://www.johndayblog.com/2020/05/cheap-and-harmless.html
Low vitamin D levels could explain why African Americans and even African immigrants in Sweden appear to be disproportionately hard-hit by the coronavirus, regardless of socio-economic factors, researchers have suggested.
Vitamin D can protect against getting a severe case of COVID-19, a group of Swedish researchers and doctors have suggested in an article in the medical magazine Läkartidningen.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/202005081079239063-cheap-and-harmless-swedish-researchers-assume-vitamin-d-can-protect-against-covid-19/Surviving 2020 #3: Plans A, B and C
Readers ask for specific recommendations for successfully navigating the post-credit/speculative-bubble era and I try to do so while explaining the impossibility of the task.
As the bogus prosperity economy built on exponential growth of debt implodes, we all seek ways to protect ourselves, our families and our worldly assets.
https://www.oftwominds.com/blogmay20/plansABC5-20.htmlThe Fascists vs Franklin Roosevelt, excerpts from longer essay on end of WW-II, by Matthew Ehret
Within America itself, the pro-fascist Wall Street establishment had been loosing a war that began the day anti-fascist President Franklin Roosevelt was elected in 1932. Not only had their attempted February 1933 assassination failed, their 1934 coup d’etat plans were also thwarted by a patriotic General named Smedley Darlington Butler. To make matters worse, their efforts to keep America out of the war in the hopes of co-leading the New World Order alongside Germany, France and Italy was also falling apart. A As I outlined in my recent article How to Crush a Bankers’ Dictatorship, between 1933-1939, FDR had imposed sweeping reforms on the banking sector, thwarted a major attempt to create a global Bankers’ dictatorship under the Bank of International Settlements, and mobilized a broad recovery under the New Deal…
Wall Street’s corporatist organizations were called out by FDR during a powerful 1938 speech as the president reminded the Congress of the true nature of fascism:
“The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism – ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power… Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing. This concentration is seriously impairing the economic effectiveness of private enterprise as a way of providing employment for labor and capital and as a way of assuring a more equitable distribution of income and earnings among the people of the nation as a whole.”…
By the end of 1945, the Truman Doctrine and Anglo-American “special relationship” replaced FDR’s anti-colonial vision, while an anti-communist witch hunt turned America into a fascist police state under FBI surveillance. Everyone friendly to Russia was targeted for destruction and the first to feel that targeting were FDR’s close allies Henry Wallace and Harry Dexter White whose 1948 death while campaigning for Wallace’s presidential bid put an end to anti-colonialists running the IMF.
In the decades after WWII, those same financiers who brought the world fascism went straight back to work infiltrating FDR’s Bretton Woods Institutions such as the IMF and World Bank, turning them from tools of development, into tools of enslavement. This process was fully exposed in the 2004 book Confessions of an Economic Hit man by John Perkins.For Victory Day: It’s Time to Think About Finally Winning WWII
-
AuthorPosts
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time.