Debt Rattle November 26 2021

 

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  • #93718
    deflationista
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    “I have been on ivermectin for 16 months, my wife and I,” Dr Bruce Boros told the audience at the event held at the World Equestrian Center in Ocala, adding: “I have never felt healthier in my life.”

    The 71-year-old cardiologist and staunch anti-vaccine advocate contracted Covid-19 two days later, according to the head event organizer, Dr John Littell.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/23/florida-doctors-covid-coronavirus-bruce-boros

    #93719
    ctbarnum
    Participant

    #93720
    chooch
    Participant

    At the heart of matter is whether or not the interaction between the immune system and circulating spike proteins post injection can lead to various degrees of heart muscle damage. Granted, an individual may have underlying conditions to begin with but that would not eliminate its potential role in precipitating a sudden cardiac event. Again, autopsies could be useful. Deja vu all over again.

    #93721
    ctbarnum
    Participant
    #93722
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    I don’t know about y’all, but I’m going to call this latest scariant “OhMyCrooohn!” {said in annoying “Valley Girl” from 1983 sort of way}

    #93723
    WES
    Participant

    Right on cue, to promote covid fear porn all of the western governments have banned travellers from South Africa. Even Canada’s Sparkle Socks has joined in!

    You need to be fearful of fear! Run! Don’t walk! Obey fear! Fearfully obey! It is raining fear everywhere! Fear is causing climate change!

    #93724
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    The baloney detection skills in this place don’t even seem to exist anymore.”

    People got jabbed and the cases and hospitalizations went down. Baloney detector engaged. Correlation does not prove causation. It was summer, respiratory infections are rare in the summer. Then, when autumn came, the cases and hospitalizations went back up. We were told that the drop in hospitalizations was due to the shots. Baloney detected – jabs didn’t make a difference.

    Here in NL we have the same number of people in the hospitals and in the ICUs as this time last year despite 85% vaccination and the fact that delta is one quarter as dangerous as the variant we had last year. Baloney detector says that proves that the jabs are useless at best.

    Happy?

    #93725
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Here in NL we have the same number of people in the hospitals and in the ICUs as this time last year despite 85% vaccination and the fact that delta is one quarter as dangerous as the variant we had last year. Baloney detector says that proves that the jabs are useless at best.

    The fetishism over the Covid vaccines has little to do with science, though. It’s more about propping up the faltering, beleaguered Narrative of Everlasting Progress.

    #93726
    those darned kids
    Participant

    To act like this is a new phenomenon
    •• who’s doing that?

    is par for the course in places like this
    •• why do you bother coming to the wrong side of the tracks?

    that weave a conspiracy
    •• we’re actually trying to unweave it.

    and causation
    •• https://citizenfreepress.com/column-3/12-year-old-maddie-volunteered-for-pfizer-vaccine-trial-now-her-devastating-injuries-are-censored-and-ignored-by-the-fda/

    to any little passing thing.
    •• ask sergio aguero if it’s a “little passing thing”.

    Anyone paying attention
    •• so, so few..

    would know that sudden cardiac arrest is not some new thing.
    •• of course i do. but 30% excess mortality is something new.

    Many of these articles talking about the growing numbers of athletes collapsing include names of people who collapsed or died long before any vaccine rollout for covid 19.
    •• one famous dude per year brought out to normalize, not 73.

    Many of the other people described did not even get the vaccine.
    •• well, you can’t get on a plane without it, so any anybody above 2nd division is ruled out.

    Some had also contracted covid at some point in the past.
    •• prove it.

    But, people here like to overlook those realities.
    •• bad grammar.

    They overlook the reality that this has been “a thing” for longer than any covid outbreak.
    •• no, i don’t. you make far too many assumptions.

    It is childish to suggest otherwise.
    •• that’s why i don’t. however, swearing incessantly is childish.

    I am not sure how a serious person can research
    •• you said it, not me.

    and be aware of what sudden cardiac arrest is, and still insist that this is some new, rare side effect of the vaccine.
    •• rare?! if dolts like us can notice it..

    And the way these stories spread through places like this
    •• places like this.

    and on social media is even more alarming.
    •• alarming to whom? to those who seek to hide, perhaps?

    People love to have their biases confirmed.
    •• is you a people?

    Just like a junkie loves their next fix.
    •• more bad grammar.

    I am not sure what is more virulent at this point, covid or misinfo.
    •• that’s obvious.

    The funniest part about this forum is
    •• moi!

    that people here think that they never fall for misinfo.
    •• prove it.

    That they are the righteous ones.
    •• better that than a slave to one’s masters.

    Fighting the Big Narrative.
    •• actually, we are pissing in the wind, but it’s worth a try.

    Fighting disinfo.
    •• hence this reply.

    The baloney detection skills in this place don’t even seem to exist anymore.
    •• well, we’ve sniffed you out. beep bop boop, my arse.

    Is that my fault too?
    •• bad grammar.

    #93727
    WES
    Participant

    Bender’s bent baloney.

    Bender put his baloney in a blender.
    Bender wanted spreadable baloney.
    Bender’s baloney bent the blender.
    Blender couldn’t handle the baloney.
    Bender’s bent baloney now stuck in blender.
    Bender’s bent baloney.

    #93728
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    boilingfrog:

    I know we have an international crew of commentors here, but I’m curious to know if (we) Americans are seeing a similar spike in public sports collapses…football, basketball, hockey… I have not heard anything here in Virginia, nor are any friends in my circle (the sports-junky ones).

    Yeah, that idea occurred to me this morning ~ Where are all the “public sports collapses” in AmeriKa?

    Then a second thought fired through my synapses:

    Remember how the mRNA concentrations have been documented to vary wildly from one batch to another? Extemporaneous or part of “The Plan”?

    What if there is a selective culling happening among certain groups of “deplorables”?

    Without any accountability it would be so easy a caveman could do it…

    Germ:

    Dr Aseem Malhotra has disclosed some very concerning cardiovascular findings in the vaccinated.
    I find this a courageous act.

    Personally I find female “doctors” that get all dolled up with a makeup artist for their camera time questionable, to say the least…

    Almost like the “doctors” that put on a white coat + stethoscope to do a zoom meeting from their home office.

    Anytime I see someone use narcissistic power tools to enlarge their persona, I always flinch, usually unable to even watch more than a few seconds…

    In this case, I didn’t even bother to imbibe the show just based on the still pic 😐

    #93729
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    why do you bother coming to the wrong side of the tracks?

    Increasingly they remind me of a corporate HR type who cannot abide the thought of a branch office or individual anywhere in the company not doing exactly as they are told. If def is a bot, then I would have to be genuinely spooked at how good modern AI is at simulating human foibles.

    #93730
    Germ
    Participant

    #93731
    boilingfrog
    Participant

    Deflationista,
    Thank you for bird-dogging that information on SCA. To my way of thinking that is the kind of baseline data we must have in order to rationally view this matter.

    Of course we don’t have all the data, we don’t see the full picture, because all the data is not being collected…and/or publicized. As I type that I realize we may not even be able to identify “all the data”.

    Doc Robinson, yes, thank you, too, for that complexly-named database. More baseline data that may help give solid footing for rational thinking.

    #93732
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    What’s “Through the Looking Glass” about this vaccine mania is that a little more than a year ago from this time, you had a vocal contingent of Team Blue-sters loudly proclaiming that they wanted nothing to do with any vaccine brought about by a program commissioned by then-President Trump. But as soon as Biden took the Oath of Office, the vaccines became the New Team Blue Religion fast enough to give you whiplash. If we come off as paranoid, it’s a little difficult for people whose memories extend beyond the previous few days to observe things such as this and not feel just a little bit weirded out!

    #93733
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    Dr Aseem Malhotra…

    Sorry, I just figured out it wasn’t the doc in the still ~ Guess it was the host, but I’m equally repelled at the modern narcissist obsession with every other female to look like a supermodel or hollyweird actress.

    I understand that people want to overcome their perceived physical weaknesses, but it’s getting beyond ridiculous with teenagers now obsessed with cosmetic surgery so they can unleash the lust on social media et al. 😐

    I understand we’re all the Infinite’s kids, but I don’t have to be drug through this generational stink again, do I?

    Sorry for the rant, I’m having a bent sort of day…

    #93734
    those darned kids
    Participant

    “From Sunday, the whole of the Netherlands is effectively closed between 17:00 pm and 5:00 am,” Rutte told a televised press conference

    so that everybody goes out at the same time..

    schmårt

    #93735
    zerosum
    Participant

    Believe it or not
    Fauci on CNN – It would take only 100 days to make a new vaccine to fight “Omicron”

    #93736
    ctbarnum
    Participant

    “I know we have an international crew of commentors here, but I’m curious to know if (we) Americans are seeing a similar spike in public sports collapses…football, basketball, hockey… I have not heard anything here in Virginia, nor are any friends in my circle (the sports-junky ones).”

    My guess is that data is not being collected, but last night’s Cowboys- Raiders game had two injury timeouts on the same play due to what was termed as a “medical issue” that seemingly didn’t involve a football related injury. But then, vaccinated players are taking weeks to come back from the COVID list while the unvaccinated are sitting out the 10 days and coming right back or were asympomatic the entire time.

    I know that doesn’t answer your question, but serves as a starting point. That said, there are a lot more commercial breaks that don’t seem to make sense than in previous seasons across all professional sports. So they might be going out of their way to hide vaccine effects.

    #93737
    WES
    Participant

    Mister Roboto:

    They were just complaining because Trump wasn’t doing anything to help spread virus fear porn far and wide. You know like putting hospital covid patients in old folks homes and banning early treatment of covid. Now that they are in power, they are free to introduce measures to help spread covid fear far and wide.

    I mean, why would they try and vaccinate everybody and then only issue green passes and vaccination passports to the vaccinated super spreaders? Not satisfied with their initial spreading efforts, they are now mandating the unvaccinated to be vaccinated so they can increase the spread of covid. They know vaccinating everyone in the middle of a pandemic greatly helps the covid virus mutate and spread.

    They are not stupid! Their success depends entirely upon successfully spreading covid!

    All their actions can be readily explained by their desire to spread covid to everybody. That is the true meaning of socialism. Death for everyone!/s

    #93738
    ctbarnum
    Participant

    IR lists seem to be longer than in previous seasons as well.

    #93739
    WES
    Participant

    Ctbarnum:

    My observation is that US big tech has a near perfect grip on msm news and have been very quick to ban any criticism from any quarter (I.e. sudden death). The same here in Canada. Reports of sudden death have simply disappeared.

    However they seem to have been slower to clamp down in Europe. I suspect with so many different countries and languages it is harder to implement a 100% clamp down but we are now sadly seeing their efforts bearing fruit in Europe too.

    #93740
    deflationista
    Participant

    “He didn’t have COVID and wasn’t vaccinated either,” he told Rai Sport.

    https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/eriksens-former-cardiologist-says-he-had-no-history-heart-concerns-2021-06-13/

    #93741
    ctbarnum
    Participant

    “My observation is that US big tech has a near perfect grip on msm news and have been very quick to ban any criticism from any quarter (I.e. sudden death). The same here in Canada. Reports of sudden death have simply disappeared.”

    That’s a fair point and would certainly explain the odd commercial breaks.

    #93742
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    Okay…eating crow here 😉

    That was a VERY good + important presentation by the good doctor Malhotra.

    The GBN news presenter didn’t interrupt him once ~ well done!

    This tells me I have a problem & need to take my acceptance to another level through prayer + meditation…

    I have to admit I am having a VERY hard time not being disturbed by the mass psychosis enveloping humans that should KNOW better in 2021.

    Yesterday we went to a gathering of my wife’s family for Thanksgiving & it was not pleasant at all…

    We were the only ones unjabbed in attendance & as per practice they tried to proselytize us into their blue religion, including mainlining experimental cyto toxins 😐

    It was VERY passive-aggressive, bordering on gaslighting, I held my tongue excluding the moment her eldest brother (the authority!) insulted her ~ They usually don’t do that in my presence (no one in their right mind would), I told him to back off & we parted company 10 minutes later…

    For years my wife made excuses for her family, she’s a loving, compassionate soul that is the Yang to my Yin, but now she sees how crucial it is to have a safe, uncorruptable inner circle.

    Both of us eloping to start a brand new life in Gotham, where we made a light in the darkness, is BIG part of that, almost like a trial-by-fire that our marriage transcended…

    I wish the best to all my brothers & sisters, even those with murder in their hearts.

    #93743
    zerosum
    Participant

    How bad is it for the flood farmers in BC?
    They lost everything even the bridge, that they could move under is gone.

    #93744
    Germ
    Participant

    MUST LISTEN –

    Start at the 1 min mark – And then jump to Minute 9

    https://rumble.com/vpuevd-episode-1441-malone-navarro-on-vaccine-resistant-variantssupervirus.html

    #93745
    deflationista
    Participant

    The report adds that the 28-year-old has not been vaccinated, with the player receiving numerous negative Covid tests to date.

    https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/wigan-athletic-striker-charlie-wykes-collapse-was-not-vaccine-related-302382

    #93746
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    We were the only ones unjabbed in attendance & as per practice they tried to proselytize us into their blue religion, including mainlining experimental cyto toxins 😐

    It was VERY passive-aggressive, bordering on gaslighting, I held my tongue excluding the moment her eldest brother (the authority!) insulted her ~ They usually don’t do that in my presence (no one in their right mind would), I told him to back off & we parted company 10 minutes later…

    And there you have a salient example of why I have decided that I actually want Trump back. I would prefer somebody such as Ron DeSantis who actually understands public policy, but I will still certainly take his Orangeness over the senile cigar-store Indian (hat-tip to James Howard Kunstler) currently occupying the Offal Ovice.

    #93747
    chooch
    Participant

    By the numbers-doc’s link(US high school/college)

    7/1/2019 thru 6/302020

    30 sudden cardiac events
    12 exertion fatalities (11 High school/1 college)

    We are 5 months into the next reporting period.

    TAE commentators – something does seem right

    Other(s) – nothing out of the ordinary.

    My opinion based on my understanding of the mechanisms of the infection and the shot I would say if you have had a serious case of Covid or got the injection I would probably error on the side of caution in regards to pushing your heart muscle up to your pre-Covid/Jab limits.

    (Disclaimer: My of area interest has more to do with bicycles, cars and jet engines though I find the immune system fascinating)

    #93748
    WES
    Participant

    Veracious Poet:

    Sometimes in life you simply have to put down unpleasant baggage that you have been carrying and walk away from it.

    Only by refusing to continue carrying this unpleasant baggage and letting it go, do you get to realize how stressful a burden it was constantly carrying that unpleasant baggage around was.

    Letting go, can be a big relief.

    #93749
    deflationista
    Participant

    Sudden cardiac arrest is a leading killer of college athletes. Here’s the NCAA’s plan of attack. FROM 2016

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/05/06/sudden-cardiac-arrest-is-a-leading-killer-of-college-athletes-heres-the-ncaas-plan-of-attack/

    #93750
    deflationista
    Participant
    #93751
    those darned kids
    Participant

    running out of straws to grasp, bender

    jump ship, fast!

    #93752
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    jump ship, fast!

    I think they just forgot to refill their OCD-med prescription.

    #93753
    John Day
    Participant

    @VP Gary: It sounds like you paid your dues at Thanksgiving, brother.

    @Human Deflationista: You have a human voice, Sir (It’s a manly voice) and you are reasoning some, and responding some, which is a TREMENDOUSLY higher pay-grade than the AI autopilot with occasionally-insulting-minder that TAE merited so very recently.
    Welcome Aboard!
    We all want actual investigations, which New York State might do now.
    The issue that is repeatedly raised is that of vaccine-related deaths, a new thing in our developed world, with somewhere between 18,000 and 180,000 (in round numbers) in the US alone, from COVID “vaccines”.
    This has gotten people’s attention, so we are noticing new things in life which might be related. It’s how humans study a new phenomenon, heightened awareness and cross-correlation. It’s more mental activity than usual, and it’s warranted in the face of a new and poorly understood cause of morbidity and mortality.
    There are a lot more deaths among healthy young vaccinated people in places where such data is released, as noted here: https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60

    Sudden cardiac death in children and young athletes is rare. It is a notable cause of death in young athletes in general (#3), because these are people who just don’t die much outside of car accidents.
    The list of mostly congenital heart defects and familial syndromes, predisposing to fatal arrhythmias is important because those are all known causes of this rare thing, and it usually happens due to a cause, which can be determined.
    We, the suddenly curious in the presence of a mortal threat, want to get thorough explanations for the rash of visible sudden deaths, in a time that we know a lot of vaccine-related-deaths are occurring, but we are being kept in the dark about it.
    We really will not take obfuscation and public-shaming as “conspiracy theorists” for an answer this time around.
    Corresponding with this crowd will keep you earning your pay, my human brother…
    🙂

    #93754
    John Day
    Participant

    Also, about the elderly doctor who caught COVID on ivermectin. Let’s keep track of how he fares.
    There should be updates.
    He will get natural immunity in the very likely case that he survives this infection.
    About 80% of adults have pretty robust crossover immunity to COVID , from prior infections with other coronaviruses, based on T-cell immunity testing done on saved blood specimens from 2014-2019.
    If not for this fact, I might say something like “everybody will eventually contract COVID”. That’s what we thought in early 2020, right?
    It turns out that people with good crossover protection, who get exposed to COVID, may just boost their existing immune response, without getting sick. I might well be one of those folks, since I tested so many people with COVID in closed exam rooms in the past couple of years, more than any other provider at the clinic, and never got ill. If I do get ill, I’ll take the same ivermectin, zinc, doxycycline that I prescribed for others, and which worked so well (1 of 60 patients I treated was hospitalized for COVID, and just a day after starting treatment, when he was already quite ill).
    All prophylactic studies for ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, quercetin, zinc and other repurposed antivirals show finite protection, expressed as risk-reduction over time. The only thing approaching perfection is prior infection in those with a good immune system.
    (Take 5000 units per day of vitamin-D. You don’t need to tell anybody you are doing so. It’s good for you.)

    #93755
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Brennan1 formulates a broadly representative OTV-type argument in terms of an ‘enforceable moral principle that prohibits people from participating in the collective imposition of unjust harm or risk of harm’.

    As Covid is one of the smallest risks we run in everyday life, how is this moral principle going to be applied to all the other greater risks, such as transport, environment, government etc. Or is this a Covid-specific moral principle that you just pulled out your ass?

    #93756
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Austrians face fines and even prison time if they refuse to get jabbed after a February deadline.

    Austria is going to put 35% of its population in jail? Interesting to see how they do that: NATO troops maybe? Even with the upper hand of 2:1, the vaccinated will not be sufficient to force the unvaxxinated to do anything. And while two thirds are busy restraining the unvaxxed, who is going to be productive and keep the economy going?

    Consider the scenario: Austrian police grab child, force-inject the child. What do you think dad is going to do? Now multiply that by millions and you will have a lot of very agrieved male adults probably willing to get together and do something very bad as revenge for the assault on their children.

    #93757
    zerosum
    Participant

    In my opinion, announcing , “Omicron” on a Black Friday, was not coincident. I was a damage control operation.

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