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    Nicolas Poussin A Dance to the Music of Time 1634-36     I haven’t written articles for a while, but instead focused on the Debt Rattle news
    [See the full post at: War]

    #135586
    Noirette
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    Re. several posts in the other thread (Oroboros, yes, thanks..) my predictions for the US, purely speculative.

    I have read some screeds about a possible Civil War between the so-called middle / lowly ‘upper’ class (often loopy Dems) and the lower reaches (who tend to support Trump, MAGA, collaboration with Russia, etc.) but that won’t happen. Echoes to the last Civil war are outdated.

    Both these factions (setting aside all those inbetween sitting on the sidelines, etc.) have almost no power, no particular cards to play (arguably some grass roots ppl have guns, other story), no cohesive organisation, no clear clarion aims that might mobilise millions, that I have ever heard of.

    What will happen is fractioning at the local level – that is gang control, gang domination which looks like covert urban wafare, which will become mixed with politics and ‘elected’ officials, e.g. pro/contra abortion / whatever / other. It will be, or almost is today in some places, Pols on the Podium, and gangs in the streets. (See the militarization of the Police for ex., and the gangs who control drugs etc. in some quarters.)

    How energy / food inputs will continue to many areas is another question.

    Fractioning will occur at the Federal Level as well, as States will want to get out (local pols needing more power) but many will be reluctant to give up the mythical US-POWER on the world stage, and will fear such splits.

    So ??

    #135587
    Professorlocknload
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    Ilargi, you are indeed the Salt of the Earth. Thanks for all you do, and most assuredly, there is a place for you in Heaven!

    #135588
    jb-hb
    Participant

    Well, they got 33% of Democrats to want to place people who disagree with them in camps that help them concentrate – with a near perfect overlap with Dems who want to get involved in The Ukraine even if it means nuclear war.

    I learned a new term the other day: Anarcho-Tyranny

    This is where you selectively enforce law & order, law enforcement, the rules. Or refuse to enforce it. Then whatever parties wish to run rampant do so on people you’ve selected as not-protected. (as opposed to protected)

    We can see this applied domestically and internationally. This is why the term “The Empire Of Chaos” is used – for this Anarcho-Tyranny being applied in international affairs. Rules for me not for thee. Accuse the enemy of what you are doing etc.

    And internally, same deal. While they DID create a degenerate demographic that wants to put people who disagree in concentration camps and get involved in Ukraine even if it means nuclear war, it wasn’t the demographic they wanted.

    Why om 2020 for 100+ days were all those cops mobilized, doing all that overtime in the 50 largest US cities only to sit on their hands, not provide law enforcement – why did all those DA’s not enforce the law either? Yet the cops stood there watching at the scene. They were there to respond to the hoped-for violent backlash.

    They can get degenerates to agree to just about anything. But they can’t get decent people to be bad. They fantasize that being moral and decent is just a play-act for status, position etc but these supposed poseur insincere deplorable decent people keep mulishly NOT taking the bait.

    All the decent deplorables did after years of provocation was switch what beer they drink. The stupidest ones were convinced to go into a building, walk between velvet ropes, and walk out of their own will, having brought none of their many, many weapons. That was the best They could do. So They have to create FAKE bad people in masks and khaki. Fake women stealing bicycles (having their bike stolen) fake kids showing the “smiling face of racism” (a kid waiting for a bus being harassed by a weirdo maintaining his cool and trying to make the best of it) fake MAGA-country jerks wandering the south side of Chicago at 2am. Fake racist NASCAR mechanics. And so on. Because the demand vastly exceeds the supply.

    Putin got a lot of heat for criticizing Poland’s policy/strategy leading up to the invasion of 1939. A lot of people spun it as Putin blaming the victim.

    It couldn’t possibly be that he had studied Poland’s strategic dilemma in depth along with many similar situations and was talking shop. Never that.

    Isn’t the international situation ALSO anarcho-terrorism? Rules for me not for thee? Selective rules/chaos depending on Who We Like?

    Who ISN’T the enemy anymore? Where does your own power base even spring from anymore???

    Like Voltaire said in Candide, we must tend our gardens. Best of all possible answers, however imperfect.

    #135602
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    DIstance Lends Enchantment

    ***

    Over 100 years ago they conned the entire nation to force their children to attend public schools. Talk about concentration camps…

    About 100 years ago we conned ourselves, the nation, to pass a constitutional amendment banning alcohol. MIght as well have passed an amendment to ban breathing, but we did it.

    20 years ago most people used the expression War on Terror with no apparent irony.

    Three years ago the common cold grew new spikes and we were in a war on the uncommon cold, a cold so uncommon no one has ever actually seen “it” or knows for sure if they caught it or not.

    It’s not like we’re logical creatures, singly or in groups, altho I find that time alone is the most reliable means for reducing the group insanity we call human culture.

    Kinda Nuts

    A-one, two, three, four
    Two, two, three
    Cat’s foot, iron claw
    Neurosurgeons scream for more
    Paranoia’s poison door
    21st century schizoid man
    Blood rack, barbed wire
    Politicians funeral pyre
    Innocents raped with napalm fire
    21st century schizoid man
    Death seed, blind man’s greed
    Poets starving, children bleed
    Nothing he’s got, he really needs
    21st century schizoid man

    I applaud all of us for coming down here and incarnating. Not an easy gig, reality.

    Can I Go Home Yet?

    #135603
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Excellent. I sent it to my dad after reading the first few paragraphs.

    Good hard working people should be able to live a decent life no matter where they are.

    The state of governance in the west sickens me

    #135604
    Michael Reid
    Participant


    not-protected. (as opposed to protected)

    there should be no such thing

    just corruption

    #135605
    Michael Reid
    Participant


    It’s not like we’re logical creatures

    emotional creatures have allowed this mess to occur

    #135606
    Figmund Sreud
    Participant

    Alistair Crooke:

    “European leaders have dug themselves into a deep hole. European states, by emptying what remained in their armouries of old weapons for Kiev, had grimly hoped that the coming Spring/Summer offensive would settle everything, and they would not have to deal with the problem — the Ukraine war — anymore. Wrong again: They are being invited to ‘dig-in deeper’.

    The EU is over-invested in the Ukrainian war-project

    F.S.

    #135608
    AsIfTruth
    Participant
    #135612
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    So the rapacious monsters who have run the West into an early grave theorized that they could “spend” the counterfeit treasure and scams of the West (and lives of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians) to bring down the Russian bear, and it played out the other way around. They now have less weapons, less ammunition, less canon fodder, and a money system that teeters beyond the tipping point of collapse.

    And the Russians are stronger (by considerable) than when they started.. Of course none of the above is any news to anyone here.

    But here’s something that might be news. It concerns when the Ukraine war might end, or should I say SHALL end?

    It will end at a time and place of Russia’s choosing, and I’m expecting them to choose those circumstances as wisely as they have conducted themselves regarding such matters since well before the Special Military Operation was launched.

    In other news, expect the same type of cautious and measured procedure in the other, far larger, war as well. They do not want to force or frighten the cornered mouse into fighting. That would be a costly, non productive and hugely annoying distraction for both Russia AND China (not to mention the rest of us poor meek collateral assets and resources) and so I pray that this pragmatism mitigates the inevitable collapse down to survivable levels.

    It better, because there is not much else we can do about any of it except to help those closest to the catastrophe to get through it somehow, and use that deep need as motivation to actually do so, and not just talk about it. That’s what I’m doing, and I’m finding ways to turn those rotten circumstances into actions that serve our interests. In a world of shit, start a composting and gardening business.

    #135614
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    In other news, expect the same type of cautious and measured procedure in the other, far larger, war as well. They do not want to force or frighten the cornered mouse into fighting. That would be a costly, non productive and hugely annoying distraction for both Russia AND China (not to mention the rest of us poor meek collateral assets and resources) and so I pray that this pragmatism mitigates the inevitable collapse down to survivable levels.

    I echo your concerns here; thank the gods Russia is a nation of rational and intelligent leaders whose experience far exceeds that of anyone in power in the west at this time…
    It is a certainty Russia will act to protect itself if there is any attempt to tear it apart (which the U.S, openly states it wants to do…)
    I wish I could say I’m confident the U.S. will see the error of it’s ways…
    When hubris and hyperbole rule; rational thinking is no where to be found…….

    #135615
    ezlxa1949
    Participant

    Another factor in the equation is the debt ceiling. I just heard from the US that if the Feds don’t get that sorted out then their pension payments will stop as will their social security. Depending on how many people are affected this way, could lead to who knows how much social unrest.

    My observations over the years are that the absolute ceiling is pushed higher every time. This time also?

    #135616
    Autonomous Unit
    Participant

    ” Fake women stealing bicycles (having their bike stolen)”
    if you are referring to the NYC rent a bike, not so fast. Her lawyer
    has provide receipts on her account showing that she paid for the bike rental.
    https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/nyc-hospital-worker-sarah-comrie-in-hiding-after-citi-bike-feud-lawyer/

    #135617
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Ilargi
    My bad; I read your terrific post after my response to DBS.
    I couldn’t agree more with what you wrote…
    The west is firmly rooted in crazyland.
    And from my juxtaposed pov it looks even more so……..
    May the gods help us…
    Being 14,000 kilometers from that looney bin is little comfort…
    Thanks and keep it coming…

    #135620
    Formerly T-Bear
    Participant

    V.A. at #135614

    “When hubris, wilful ignorance, blind beliefs, empty myths and hyperbole rule; … ”

    Fixed that for you, no charge. (smiley thing)

    #135627
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Fixed that for you, no charge. (smiley thing)

    Yes, actually you did; I like your re-ordering of the words and the additions, thanks… 😉

    #135630
    aspnaz
    Participant

    AsIfTruth said

    Lets put a Kennedy in the WH.

    He’s a Democrat, his friends are Democrats, he is tainted and unless he disowns the Democrats and their corrupt ways, why would anyone support yet another freeloader joining the Democrat party. At least Trump had the balls to leave, Kennedy is still in the party that killed his uncle.

    #135635
    John Day
    Participant

    @Aspnaz: Kennedy wants to reform what he calls “my party”. If he can do that, he has done battle with the Blob abd prevailed. If not, he will be dead or sidelined.
    The contest is happening now and into the primaries, not after the primaries.

    #135637
    John Day
    Participant

    Posted yesterday, but pertinent again here:

    Christine sends this John Helmer article, opening with one of the comments, as will I.
    ​Posted by: FVK | May 21 2023 12:54 utc | 1
    Yesterday, in his speech congratulating Prigozhin and Wagner on their victory over the Ukies with the taking of Artemovsk, President Putin announced that he activated the “PERIMETER” system.
    The PERIMETER system is Russia’s “dead hand” automatic response system to attacks on Russia proper. It controls launch and targeting of Russia’s Nuclear Triad/Strike Force.
    When I read this, I was mystified…. Why should this victory cause activation of PERIMETER???
    Now, with Helmer’s analysis, I understand…
    Russia takes the threat of a NATO first strike/ decapitation strike…. seriously…
    This specifically means…. if NATO uses the “Exercises” as cover for a strike against Russia… Russia will launch a massive nuclear strike on NATO…
    ​ ​BRAVADO BEFORE CAPITULATION – WILL RUSSIAN DEFEAT OF US PATRIOT MISSILE BE FOLLOWED BY “UKRAINIAN F-16” ATTACK DURING THE NATO “AIR DEFENDER 23” EXERCISE ON JUNE 12​ , John Helmer
    ​There is a grave risk that in three weeks’ time US and NATO forces will attempt direct combat against Russia.
    ​ ​The operational plan is to strike from Romanian airspace in the south and the Baltic states in the north, in camouflage of the NATO exercise called “Air Defender 23”, and under cover of US F-16 fighter aircraft purportedly operated by Ukrainian pilots but fuelled, directed, and guarded by more than two hundred US and NATO aircraft, including the most advanced US air war fighter, the F-35.
    ​ ​“This [is] the largest deployment exercise since the foundation of NATO”, according to the cover story published by NATO headquarters. “

    BRAVADO BEFORE CAPITULATION – WILL RUSSIAN DEFEAT OF US PATRIOT MISSILE BE FOLLOWED BY “UKRAINIAN F-16” ATTACK  DURING  THE NATO  “AIR DEFENDER 23” EXERCISE ON JUNE 12

    #135657
    SeaBirds
    Participant

    What a great summary, Raúl.
    We’ve missed your articles, but the efforts you put into the daily news roundups is greatly appreciated. And particularly the accurate perspective you’ve given us on the war over the last months.

    @JohnDay #135635
    Thanks for giving us that perspective. It would be a great thing, not just for Americans, if RFK got further than the primaries.

    @VArnold #135614
    Thanks – great comment.

    #135660
    anticlimactic
    Participant

    For the most part NATO weapons have not been used in battle. On the occasions they have the designated enemy has had inferior weapons. I would have put China in this category when Obama’s ‘pivot to Asia’ began.

    Weapons systems can be created, bought in large numbers, and never see action before they are replaced. Because of this there seemed no point in producing ammunition for an extended conflict so when munitions are required in large quantities there are no manufacturing facilities able to comply in a timely fashion. It will take years just to supply the small war in Ukraine.

    US weapons in particular are very complex which means they often require maintenance. Up to 30% could be out of action because of this. I think I read that an F35 will need maintenance after 10 hours flying. The West was amazed when Russia deployed fighters to Syria and they flew 24/7, just refueling, rearming and changing pilots.

    Another aspect of modern warfare is the David/Goliath thing where expensive equipment can be destroyed by cheap missiles and UAVs. A multibillion dollar aircraft carrier can be destroyed by a few million dollar missiles. Fighters and tanks can be destroyed by hand-held missiles.

    Finally, smaller countries have developed advanced, and possibly superior, weapons. Iran has developed missiles with pinpoint accuracy, Turkey’s Bayraktar UAVs have proved devastating in conflicts, Russia has had a stream of new advanced weapons tested in conflict, and China is modernising its weapons systems as quickly as possible.

    NATO has shiny weapons with minimal munitions – good for threats and posturing but not good enough for conflict.

    One final thought – if Russia attacked a NATO country, Poland say, would all the other NATO countries REALLY risk nuclear annihilation by joining in the conflict? It is a question which may need to be answered soon!

    #135703
    zerosum
    Participant

    Destruction/depopulation/control

    TAE and the blogsphere are communicating/aware/sharing/
    reacting to what those in power are doing.


    PEACE/LOVE WILL WIN/SURVIVE

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