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this amounts to rumor, since I am taking it from a random post on Moon of Alabama, but it suggests that depleted uranium won’t stay put once it settles.
Dr. Asaf Duracovich, Georgetown Unversity Major Doug Rokke were both deeply involved in the second wave of investigations for Depleted Uranium 2000 plus. My friend Brian Terrell with others went to Basra, Iran in 1996 to listen to a pediatric oncologist and others involved trying to put together the wave of childhood leukemias, miscarriages and birth defects especially around Basra. Prof Souad N. Al-Azzawi was part of this. I have never been the same since hearing Brian talk about it that year in Des Moines Iowa.
Correlation is not causation, but the stifled studies in Vieques, Puerto Rico, Iraq and Serbia all are strongly indicative of the long lasting harm from mutagenic, teratogenic and carcinogenic depleted Ur and and any other actinides present. These particles from armour piercing rounds can be hundreds of nanometers to hundreds of micrometers large, with a positive charge dance in the air via Brownian motion. When ingested inside the body it is extremely damaging, the combination of amount of energy and the larger area of impact (compared to gamma or x-rays) is almost tailor made to impact DNA.
I was wondering, if the west, having been warned, insists on depleted uranium being introduced into the Ukraine conflict, will Russia blow it up in transit to Ukraine? In a warehouse inside NATO territory?
Like, if depleted uranium is no concern, here you go. Have a whole bunch of your own stuff?
But since we chemically nuke entire states of our own and then don’t report on or respond to it, I guess they’d just say hey, fantastic idea?
Nationwide Recall Issued For Frozen Strawberries at Major Retailers Following Hepatitis A Outbreak
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/nationwide-recall-issued-frozen-strawberries-major-retailers-following-hepatitis-outbreak“recall affects frozen strawberries that are potentially linked to a Hepatitis A outbreak and have been sold across various retailers.”
“a possible link was established after five cases related to an outbreak of Hepatitis A have been reported since March 13. In all cases, the affected individuals reportedly consumed frozen organic strawberries.”
“Although the Hepatitis A virus (HAV) has not been detected on the products, the company and the FDA issued the recall as a precautionary measure”
No Hepatitis found on the strawberries. 5 cases nationwide. Nationwide recall on the strawberries.
(Hep is a virus. No apparent effort to ponder let alone explain the concepts of the Hep virus infecting… strawberries?)
Huge numbers of adverse affects including death continual throughout deployment of a drug nationwide, many millions millions affected. Manufacturers turn out to have known this is what would happen before launch. No recall. Not pulled from the market.
apologies for all the posts on this. Just trying to share something potentially helpful.
ok, wayback machine is just really finnickey on what will link directly
for my dumb cytokine storm dissertation
you can pull up search results at =====https://web.archive.org/web/20090501000000*/http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php/topic%2C45018.0.html=====
from there, if you hover over November 19, then click the time stamp link that pops up, it pulls up.
sigh. tried following my own directions to pull up the info on cytokine inducing flu and it doesnt work
Linking to posts from a years dead archived forum is apparently harder than it looks
I’ll wait until this evening – to not clog up discussion with a wall of text – and do a cut/paste
So I suppose all of this information should produce a thoughtful exercise. They have been ‘telling’ us the next pandemic will be bird flu, does anyone here have suggestions on what to stock up on to either treat or get through something like that? Lets get ahead of the curve.
The worst flus, such as the 1918 one, appear to be cytokine storm inducing ones.
I did a whole write-up on that on LATOC during the 2009 swine flu scare. I was amazed to actually find it on the Wayback Machine. Tried posting the link, but my post disappeared into the aether. I’ll try again.
I found quite a lot of the LATOC forum was archived and took a little sentimental journey. Amazing how many people and conversations I remembered vividly with a little prompting. VERY interesting to see what people were scared about, predicting, prophesying back in 2008-2010 on the forum I’d tend to give the title of Doomer Central. Really interesting perspective from 2023
I noticed quite a lot of history rhyming as well. For instance, it was discovered there were patents on the swine flu, and of course the big pharma insider-connected Tamiflu was THE remedy everyone should take. NAC and D3 were being discussed then as well.
the old address ===dubya dubya dubya dot doomers dod us/forum2=== is of course deleted from the internet and pulls up nothing, but searching the wayback machine lets you pull up quite a lot of archived posts.
if you search the Wayback Machine for:
===dubya dubya dubya dot doomers dot us/forum2/index.php/topic,45018.0.html===
it should pull up. I hesitate to post 3 pages of possible flu remedies here lol tldr. Hopefully this post doesn’t get eaten.
Anyone pondering doom, their place in the doom o sphere, etc, could benefit from pulling up the archived LATOC forum from 2008 to read what long time veteran doomers of 15 years ago were doing, saying, thinking.
“NATO/Ukraine lost a modern artillery war”
I’ve been thinking about that earlier this morning.
NATO, the US, the UK, are really into nexgen warfare, whatever we’re on now 4th, 5th?
Various dirty tricks – spying, hacking, subversion, demoralization, bribery, misdirection, betrayal, introducing engineered microbes, covert use of radiation etc. This is what they think of as war now.
Presumably the “western” war efforts in Ukraine look ineffective because it is only to fix the attention of the Russians on physical, standard, old-gen warfare while they introduce whatever disease, hack, social/ideological plague, sabotage, etc they really want to do.
Can anyone tell me, is Candida Auris a fungus or a yeast? (I thought it was a yeast) Because experts reporting things don’t seem to be able to keep it straight.
“…especially those who have breathing tubes, feeding tubes… ….appear to be at the highest risk of contracting Candida auris”
Oh, so like if you breathe through the same THING for hours and hours, you’re more at risk, you’re saying?
okay. Just waiting for the report that this was first on the scene back in Sept 2019 and is an engineered version via crispr now.
they clearly ARE the type of people if a dog told them to crack their kid’s head open with a spoon they would do it. We just saw two years of it. And they can’t be convinced others aren’t as slavish as they are.
EVERY avenue to appeal to my former employer consisted of:
“Whose orders are you following? PROVE you are following someone’s orders. Be specific.”
I tried explaining that I was following MY OWN orders, that I was the authority I was recognizing and obeying, but it just wouldn’t fly with them.
This is what they want for our culture: No rules. No order. No limits. And that is why they are worthless, spineless people. Without limits, there is nothing to exceed, no goals to succeed, no finish line, no prize. Losing is the same as winning. Being weak is the same as strong.
The climax of A Wind In The Door involves a dilemma of an entity choosing to do or not do something called “deepening”
The dilemma is faced by a multi-stage life form that, in its early stage, is more like an animal, but in its following stage, roots and becomes something like a tree. (I guess Speaker For The Dead owes Madeline L’Engle a thank you…)
The bad guys try to stop all these creatures from “deepening” arguing that they can dance chaotically and avoid being tied down to any specific thing so long as they refuse to take root and deepen. The good guys explain that deepening will give the creature the ability to mature, commit to BEING a particular thing and thus gain wisdom.
So the process of maturation and progress is associated with willfully adopting limitations, symbolized by becoming rooted in one spot, while stagnation is insistence on maintaining limitless possibilities and definitions.
Agreed – acceptance of limitation is the beginning of creativity, greatness even. I’ve had some creative endeavors in which I was absolutely stuck, alternately unable to produce anything or producing total garbage until I chose to be bounded by specific limitations. Not just a specific genre but subgenre. And then a handful of influences, 5 perhaps. And a specific set of tools. That’s the only way I’ve ever done something and then looked back and wondered, did that come from me? It’s better than me. The ONLY things I am proud of, in retrospect, are the few things I humbled myself to admit limitations and specificity on.
Limitation, specificity, maturation, and progress are linked. “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things”
“Sperm has been almost entirely replaced by spike proteins” – #$@%@#%ing unreal.
In the 90’s I recall a scifi book called Why Do Birds. It wasn’t fantastic, but wasn’t bad. A bit Vonnegut-esque.
Humans receive an alien signal, which says hello and advises that they build a structure, all needed instructions included.
Humans are told there is a catastrophe coming to Earth. Therefore we need to build this giant cube, load as many people onto it as we can (in suspended animation) for rescue from the catastrophe.
The Earth goes ahead and BUILDS it. Catastrophe ensues, apparently emanating FROM the cube they built.
Where was their skepticism? Like in The Golden Compass. The lady is told,, via her computer, that she’s talking to a Demon, therefore, having been informed, she leaps up to rush off and follow its commands where before, she was skeptical. WHAT? Like Son of Sam killing all those people because his dog told him to. What do you do when your dog tells you to kill people? Firmly say “Bad dog” and give him a rap on the snout with a rolled up newspaper. Duh.
If a big booming voice woke me in the middle of the night telling me to sacrifice my firstborn son at the top of a mountain, my reaction would be “Your channel’s content does not correspond to my values. Unsubcribe.” and drift off back to sleep if possible. I certainly wouldn’t be in any rush to obey. I don’t get it. Is reality really like a video game with a bunch of NPC’s inhabiting it? Am I being lied to about the degree of compliance?
Anyway, I’ve been on a little project to try to determine my own values more concretely instead of just wandering around saying “I know it when I see it.” Having noticed that every single touchstone from my childhood has been shat upon, I figured that was a decent area to review.
Ghostbusters 2016. The first significant shot heard round the world in the current push. Why THAT?
A bunch of working-class schlubs dressed in coveralls like mechanics, plumbers, and building maintenance men, grubby, imperfect, occasionally revolting, often funny, basically decent, save the world.
I suppose working class people heroically/banally dragging themselves up endless flights of apt building stairs to dispose of otherworldly invaders as if they were garbagemen taking out the garbage or exterminators getting rid of pests, their imperfections endearing, would offend a spirit-cooking bahomet worshipping aristocracy as much as anything. Hey, we want creepy otherworldly invaders! Or something.
I barely remembered A Wrinkle In Time. It was read to me before I could read, and I was reading things like The Hobbit around 6 or 7. So it must have been very early. But I recalled they (“they” whoever they are) woke-washed/crapped on it in film back in 2018, complete with the standard obligatory eradication of all redheads (why that obsession?), so I figured what the heck, there’s got to be something wholesome to it if they went after it THAT early & hard.
Holy cow. Well worth reading.
“Reality is meaningless. Nothing is the center.”
“Civilization has failed… …There is no hope but extinguishment. Let us hasten it.”
the bad guys are dedicated to “un-naming” while the good guys do “naming”
Naming turns out to be recognizing a particular unique nature of a thing or person (including its/their imperfections) and giving it a unique name. And implicitly, love for that thing or person not only in spite of but because of their imperfections. Making distinctions, with words meaning particular things.
Un-naming eradicates the entity, from tiny to gigantic, and the bad guys work at all levels to do so.
I suppose un-naming efforts are recognizable as starting in earnest in the US in the late 60’s, but it was taken up a huge notch around 2016. Interesting to see it in a book written in 1962.
the bad guys are also determined to eradicate, specifically, mitochondria. Weird, considering the injection which does not vaccinate appears to go after, amongst other things, mitochondria in a big way.
“There are too many mitochondria in creation. There are too many stars in the heavens.” …let’s get rid of them. A bit like how there’s too many people. Each person possessing a brain with as many connections as there are stars in the sky, which L’Engle specifically points out. There is some sort of twin urge against both acknowledging imperfect reality as-is and human consciousness. Grandiosity and eradication go hand in hand, somehow.
Madeline L’Engle doesn’t appear to have a specific manifesto. At times I can feel her reaching, intuitively getting a grasp on what matters as she is writing almost, it seems. I haven’t made an exhaustive report here on everything of value in her Time Quintet, but it’s a quick read. I’m through the first 2 books in about a day and a half.
Interestingly, it is, in many ways, the same story as a book I think is the best scifi book in the past decade or so. Maybe the past 2 decades. There Is No Anti-Memetic Division. Published 3/26/21. One of the greatest stories told, perhaps. Over and over. I wish Joseph Campbell or Jordan Peterson could do a talk on it.
Just trying to help. Just trying to warn about the obvious to the reasonably intelligent & observant.
“I am only trying to do my job!”
“She is the construction foreman”
“It is not good to have arguments with these people”
starting at 1:40…and by the way, Occam’s Razor would typically be on the atheist side of the argument.
An additional overlapping layer of reality, a whole different invisible universe overlapping our own with its own rules and then rules for interaction with the reality we can actually perceive is a huge, HUGE complication.
“Witchcraft,” for instance, has probably ALWAYS been with us, since prehistory. Not particular to Christianity.
I suspect that for eons, it has been a safety feature, an exception to the rule. If you’ve got, say, a Malignant Narcissist in your midst and you’ve only got 70 people in your tribe, they can make EVERYTHING awful constantly with very awful, real-world results. All while riding the line of what they can get away with, always gaslighting and accusing/projecting, triangulating etc.
So, super awful, destructive of the tribe, threatening its ability to survive, but they aren’t breaking any of the specific agreed rules. They aren’t literally stealing objects or hitting someone on the head with a club to commit murder. Yet they’re ruining everything. So… they are performing witchcraft! Bad juju, whatever you want to call it. You say witchcraft and you get it without having to reinvent the wheel or the DSM IV.
What’s the most consistent model at this point? Rational amoral people who want to be in charge? Really? Aliens, transdimensional beings, demons, AI, an undiscovered plague that causes psychopathy, a super creepy secret religion? Why are the weirdest models working better as a working explanation? But you take the more rational models and find yourself making a million retrofit-excuses to maintain the model.
I can still, as an Atheist, at least say, if I think in terms of Demons or what have you, hey, this is just a model. Just like models in science help predict, it doesn’t have to reflect reality, it just has to be the best available model, neither perfect nor literally reflecting reality.
…………….
As for “Is this the big one? Is this (finally) the foretold financial collapse?”
I remember the last one. My takeaway was that there is so much going on offstage, that what is ON stage, viewable to us, isn’t necessarily relevant to decision-making.
Considering they – “they” – have been increasingly destroying infrastructure, distribution, food production, energy production, all institutions, culture, and promoting widespread intake of poison as if they were trying to meet an approaching deadline…. I’d tend to say on THAT basis, rather than any financial analysis, sure, this is likely to be The Big One. Sure, why not. (Obviously, do your own research and due diligence and make sure not to do anything stupid…)
Well, what if it’s that evil entities love inhabiting bureaucrats?
I lost track of the number of times the same exact scenario repeated itself.
An explanation is given on why something #%&s everything up for the customer, the company, and the organization. Specific, meaningful information is given, fischer price style, for 4 year olds, while going to painful extremes to avoid sounding condescending, on cause and effect, as well as helpful non-destructive alternative actions.
The middle manager looks at your left ear while they talk, like a psycho, slightly defocused, and orders you to do the most obviously stupid, wasteful, destructive thing. Like, somehow they invariably pick THAT one, so it doesn’t seem they can be randomly or stupidly selecting something from ignorance. You might have the customer waiting on the line, you might be about to call them back. You explain that the action you’re being ordered to take will, IMMEDIATELY upon telling it to the customer, result in the customer demanding escalation which you will bring to THEM.
They order you to go ahead and then disappear from their cubicle or office, sometimes the entire building, before you can come back to them.
They already KNOW it’s insane, destructive of value, makes everyone miserable. They already KNOW the response that is coming. Can’t even be there to witness the result of their own orders.
After hundreds of these episodes within a bureaucracy, to me it seems like some sort of compulsion, lust, something… to cause excruciating situations for human beings. And it isn’t as if the evil is less at higher levels. It’s just that this seethingly evil something is only in charge of 9 people or 50 people or 500 people. You could slot it in anywhere up the food chain and it would behave in the standardized manner.
This isn’t the character of bureaucracies, mind you. I’ve had amazingly smart, decent, dutiful coworkers, supervisors, managers, and directors over the years. I’ve had skip-levels with multiple VPs of Customer Care and most of them were legitimately intelligent decent people (one in particular though, I recall radiating awfulness, seemed to belong in HR… that was the VP saying in trainings for the new algorithm tool they thought would tell everyone what to do “It’s AI! It’s AI!”
But there’s a type of person that entrenches themselves – typically in middle management – they aren’t doing things out of stupidity because they KNOW what they are doing and they just keep doing it. I recognize Victoria Nuland in that one VP of Cust Care, in a manager we had in Tech Support, and a supervisor in charge of 8 people. The facial expressions, the way of speaking. It’s strange.
Like Naomi Wolf, I’m about ready to throw up my hands and say okay Occam, you got me.
US-Ukraine Unity Is Cracking Apart
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-ukraine-unity-cracking-apart
wtf. seriously?
Jim Henson-Kermit Unity Is Cracking Apart
although even that isn’t right
I think there’s a part in Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead in which Hamlet watches a puppet show of the play Hamlet in which the puppet-Hamlet watches his fellow puppets put on a shadow-puppet portrayal of Hamlet? Maybe that would just about sum it up?
I’m slogging through Wil Durant’s The Story of Civilization right now. Almost through the Greco-Roman stuff.
The recurring theme – not exactly emphasized by Durant, but evident – is that predators that rise to the top become shepherds, whether they want to or not. It’s only a matter of whether they are good ones or bad ones. They own everything – do they treat their own property like shit or have enough self-respect to manage it?
As the dominant predator, you don’t dream of projecting your identity into every individual, every facet of YOUR society. Rather, you recognize competitor-predators and knock them off.
I remember when Nextel did an audit and found that 40% of their customer accounts were fraudulent. 40%! You could say the corporation was itself predatory in some respects, but certainly freeing up 40% of the pie in the form of savings for real customers or improvements to infrastructure made a big difference. WTF would be going on if Nextel’s response was to try to MAXIMIZE the % of fraudulent accounts within their own system?
We could argue for farther back, but if I were to pick 2001 as a start date, I’d say you can see a consistent preference for maximizing predator-parasites at every level of western society’s civilizational ecosystem. That’s weird. Historically, you see a rise in predatory behavior, a struggle between predators, and then you see the winner running their spoils, their property, their power base rationally.
Instead we see this system saturated vertically with… not even predators, but more and more weak-minded, weak-willed gamma parasites. Makes me think of a Terry Pratchett novel (The Light Fantastic) in which he compares invading Demons to invading Things from The Dungeon Dimension. Demons at least think the world, reality, is valuable, worth stealing! The indescribable incomprehensible awful things-that-should-not be from the Dungeon Dimension are therefore infinitely worse by comparison to Demons invading and making a hell on earth. At least demons make a kind of sense!
My local library branch has been gutted as well. Plenty of books still there, but DIFFERENT books.
I laughed hysterically when I went to the fiction/literature section looking for Dickens or Tolstoy or the Bronte Sisters or something. (not the young adult section) There’s almost no real literature there, but every 4th book has the word “GIRL” in the title, I kid you not. It’s absolutely hilarious and absurd.
I’m going to go off into the weeds and then circle back around to Nordstream somehow.
Critical Theory and Malignant Narcissistic Personality Disorder share a very consistent characteristic — they both attack strength and value, NOT weakness and deficiency. They’re the OPPOSITE of Sun Tzu. (I suppose NPD’s and Critical Theorists are Clausewitzian?)
They also seem to share the principle that dropping civility, dropping the implicit give-and-take rules of social interaction is an advantage, such that sneering, confident, doubling, tripling, quadrupling down is always presumed the winning bet. One trick ponies in a way. Never ever stop.
I had a girlfriend in college for awhile that had a raging case of malignant NPD. She’d be lying to me about something there IN THE ROOM with us. The exchange would go something like this.
(lying, smiling/sneering about the thing right there in front of us)
Uh, I know that’s not true, ok?
(doubling down)
I’m LOOKING AT IT right NOW.
(tripling down)
It’s right THERE <pointing>
(quadrupling down)
“We” want to Start A Conversation (search “Induced Conversation NPD”) but definitely, definitely, There Shall Be No Discussion. Knock knock. Sorry, nobody home to talk to.
I realized, in my job working for a ginormous corporation, that its agendas – hidden and open – its policies, the way it was structured, in some sense constituted a kind of NPD, channeled my interactions with my human customers into NPD-like behaviors.
I’ve listened to quite a few calls fielded by other people in addition to my own. Very consistently, it is crazy-making for the customer to be trying to accomplish something, anything, just have a productive communication that goes somewhere, when behind the customer service rep is a giant amorphous non-definable, non-explainable BLOB, that SOMETHING ELSE in the conversation that is not up for discussion, directs the entire course of, fate of the discussion and the customer doesn’t know how to bring up or discuss. Not without sounding crazy.
My cure for this was to openly and as soon as possible, TELL the person everything behind the scenes, from specific processes, the reason (or unreason) for them, overall tendencies in behavior of the corporation, my powers, any lack of powers, my knowledge and any lack of it. Wax a little philosophical even. Let the person on the other end of the conversation know where the entity opposite them stands in the interaction. The shape, size, color, character of it.
The first time my NPD girlfriend lied about something obvious and then relentlessly endlessly brazened it out regardless, it was – of course – disturbing. Totally inexplicable, out of this world whacko situation. The 4th time, it was WORSE. Totally discombobulating. Almost an out of body experience. Like one is living in some waking nightmare fever dream.
But by the 8th time? The 10th? Bored contempt. “But but, hey, it’s a MYSTERY unjustifiable and inexplicable, so continue to be horrified!!!!” No. I don’t @#%^ing CARE if it is a mystery.
Another method of discombobulation is the destruction of distinctions. Metaphorically, knifing the ziploc of oranges your mom packed in your school lunch until there is no distinction inside that paper bag between inside the ziploc and not-ziploc
So we got continual assertions that the Russians blew up their own pipeline.
And then a continual “Oh, WHO oh WHO could have done it? Let’s analyze it like an Agatha Christie mystery novel” Really?
And now comes the other one trick pony, the postmodernist/deconstructionist Anything Could Be Anything. (This COULD BE art. COULD be architecture. COULD be xyz thing, nothing, multiple things, everything….) Annihilation of distinctions is paralyzing because in order to act, you need to be able to prioritize. You need to know what’s valuable, what’s not, and what the relative value is. Anything Could Be Anything carpet-bombs the decision tree.
So now we get this whacko – it COULD have been Ukraine. It COULD have been. Might, might not. But it COULD.
And of course the Russians looking at this with fed-up boredom. How stupid do you think we are? It’s in the room with us. I’m LOOKING at it RIGHT NOW. (helpfully pointing at it)
You NAME the trick they keep trying to pull on you, describe it, draw a picture of it, point back and forth between the picture and the actual thing, and find they are going HARDER at the trick you just said you’re aware of. A sign that the entity on the other side cannot grasp that you’re a thinking person? Or whatever processes they faithfully follow don’t account for it?
And there is a fractal aspect to it. Zoom out to geopolitics. Zoom in to personal interactions. Why this dynamic, why so totally inflexible and unrelenting? It’s understandable the 100+ iq college educated liberal atheists like Naomi Wolf start theorizing what, an invasion of bodysnatching aliens? Demons? An undiscovered virus that attacks particular parts of the brain having to do with consciousness, causing psychopathy and NPD? A secret society of Mean Girls who never matured and are determined to take over the world using ONLY the methods learned in junior high?
I’ve toyed with the idea that civilizations collapse cyclically because of recurring locust-swarms of NPDs. Humans are great problem-solvers. And when they can freely respond individually to problems, freely discuss them, freely organize to confront them, the effects are incredibly powerful. It feels like something very weird, strange, pervasive is interfering.
Idunno. I’m just feeling around the elephant, periodically reporting on having located a tree, a snake, and a wall.
Humanity means civilization
Jensinitism just being Critical Theory retrofitted for Environmentalists and people such as ourselves in the Doom-o-sphere, it has the same presumptions.
People who live in Capitalism live in a lie. Communism is the Truth. If your only inputs are LIES, then your a priori consciousness is itself a lie – you have a false consciousness. Consciousness = Soul. You are not a real person living in Capitalism as your only input, like a Matrix pod.
Thus, the working class are the enemy, since Capitalism brings the goods (which is bad, it’s bad to get the workers what they want when it is a lie, we should take all that away from them and make them have Communism) and they would actively defend the system that brings them the goods.
And as AFKTT has spelled out bit by bit himself as well as Jensen, which he fully endorsed as well, it’s just retrofitted Marxism for us here:
Civilization is a lie. People living in Civilization are therefore not real people (see above) Since Civilization brings the goods, we can regard those living in civilization as the enemy – they would defend the system bringing them the goods.
Yet somehow, when I argue AGAINST a cultist belief system that says all the people in Civilization aren’t real people AGAINST a worldview saying it would be better if they were all dead or better yet never been born….
Somehow I am postured as someone who says people living OUTSIDE civilization are not real people and people WITHIN civilization equals people?
Projection isn’t just a river in Egypt.
“If you think that the human population is too large, you also think billions should be murdered”
some WEF types may, but really? Folks like Jane Goodall want to off me? non sequiturAFKKT has SPECIFICALLY stated that 7 billion dead would be good, has specifically labeled civilization and everything after agriculture as a horrible mistake (would retroactively wipe out everyone from that start point) has called people living in civilization literally “mindless zombies” and not even real people. He published a Jensen manifesto here for god’s sake that codifies this stuff.
This is the ol a, b, c things!!!! therefoore you have to accept X! What, you DON”T BELIEVE in A????
EVERYONE AFKTT is going rounds with on Jensenitism is concerned about overpopulation. I need to lay down and surrender to his death cult because he is concerned about overpopulation? Why pretend I am swinging at empty air then?
“there is no problem with resource depletion, and if there was, technology will solve those problems”
infinite growth on a finite planet. sure thing.“Malthus was wrong”
No, his timing was just off.Cause we are all dead now, just like AOC after 1/6.
According to Malthus, we’d hit overshoot 100 years ago. We’re apparently having this conversation, not from beyond the grave, but some hypothetical future-grave place, since our grandparents and/or great grandparents died of overshoot.
Malthus said “I don’t see where humanity goes from here, therefore humanity is doomed”
So you’ve got new WORDS to say the same thing, therefore this time it is definitely right?
“Humanity means civilization”
Post-neolithic life is a tiny fraction of humanity’s history. hunter-gathers lived 60-75 years if they survived childhood illness , accidents , and war. They worked less than moderns, and recited, from memory epicsThe Noble Savage writ large. Gotcha. When people who COULD keep records showed up, what did they find those Noble Savages doing? And of course the Mongols STILL hold the trophy for single-cause genocide and they had NO agriculture and NO civilization.
I’m not saying Neolithic peoples are bad – they’re great. It’s just that they are people. it is attractive to imagine a golden age, when things were better, and certainly the absence of civilization, therefore an absence of RECORD KEEPING lends itself well to assuming things were better then.
This is the same logic as, because it happened so long ago, that since we therefore cannot disprove them, all those bible stories are literally true. SAME reasoning.
As an atheist, I say if you’re just going to transfer the same “Reasoning” to a new faith, you might as well have just gone to church.
Afewknowthetruth – isn’t it hilarious that you reply to my post specifically citing Al Bartlett and compound interest by going into a fugue state in which you posture as educating me on him and his concepts?
PRETENDING that I don’t know about him, pretending I am opposed to him — IN RESPONSE TO my post in which I complained about you pretending exactly that? As if doing the very thing I complained about refutes me?
LOOK at yourself man. Look at the false posturing you have to go through for this cult belief. You can stop this. Lay this burden down. It is only bad for you.
You’re the one who openly, publicly humiliated and discredited yourself by making a blanket statement that Romans not only didn’t but wouldn’t ever solve problems – the same Rome that lasted over 2,000 years.
Maybe if you make less of these categorical blanket devaluation-statements, you’ll humiliate yourself less and be compelled to cry “trolling!” and “ad hominem!” less.
Considering what you are ACTUALLY promoting – in weaselly fashion, by evasive rote repetition of talking points – devaluation, demoralization, nihilism, negation – I don’t feel bad ANYTIME you call me names. How could I?
Look man, I see your burden. It is a horrible burden. I have carried much the same burden. Simply lay your burden down, man. Lay it down.
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light
X does not follow from a, b, and c, man. X is purely there to demoralize you and waste the time you have in your life.
Interrogate it – what exactly are you doing for me? For anyone I care about? For anyone I know? For anyone at all? What do YOU bring to the table, X? (“I AM the table”? you’re fired then) You may as well have gone to church as joined this cult. Read that quote – isn’t it INFINITELY better, more wholesome, than what you are selling here daily? And this coming from an atheist. Surely at least by making the comparison, it becomes evident?
As far as the Progress Trap goes, didn’t Malthus prove, mathematically, that we were doomed 100 years ago? What did he do wrong? Failed to predict things that he couldn’t know about, that didn’t exist yet?
Does ANY creature in nature gather up every last morsel of resources their offspring will need and only then reproduce? Has any creature in nature EVER behaved in this manner?
Would you SHAME all the wood ducks, platupi, harbor seals, orangutans, pangolins, etc for not having provided resources for their babies preemtively? DOOMED. And you SHOULD be doomed, you damn insufferably cute harbor seals, doomed!
The problem isn’t that there are evident problems. YES there are problems. YES Chris Martenson and all that.
The problem is that people aren’t being allowed to SOLVE problems. Solving problems is forbidden. Holy cow there are problems! Therefore everyone everywhere STOP. Directive 10-289 from Atlas Shrugged.
Sleep, Dreaming, and National Suicide
https://www.oftwominds.com/blogjun10/Eric-Andrews06-10.htmlIt’s people that cause all the problems. They’re all bad. Everyone should all just stop. And what constitutes stopping more than dying? All 8 billion, right? Just stop.
This is an incredibly heavy burden to be carrying. Lay it down.
For me, Ugo Bardi’s greatest contribution was the article he wrote around 15 years ago in which he pointed out that if it were possible to go back in time and discuss the policies that led to the Fall of the Roman Empire with an emperor or a general of the time, that person would have taken no notice whatsoever of anything you said and would have carried on doing exactly what caused the Fall of the Roman Empire.
That’s why Rome lasted from 509BC to 1453AD. Because everybody insisted on continuing to cause problems.
Your ignorance of Roman history is truly vast. Nobody suggested solutions that were then adopted? I guess 2000+ years is a pretty good run for insisting on doing only Bad Things.
(there would be an endless litany of examples of apprehending and addressing problems that anyone could give you if it were worth the time, but your blanket assertion is absurd enough on the face of it)
D Benton Smith – “crazy atheists”?
You could be atheist and be putting forth Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, Epictetus. Which the “crazy atheists” certainly are not.
Is Mr Spock in Star Trek not honest, upright, decent, valiant? And if you watch what they – you know, “They,” whoever they are – did to the Star Trek ethos, particularly Vulcans’ ethos, and particularly to Spock in particular NuTrek™/Star Trek Discovery/STD, you can reflect that if “they” are pouring that much time, effort, and money into a petty desecration of a geek culture touchstone, what does it mean?
Anywhere “they” rabidly apply inversion, look for where they arrive at negativity and find true value.
And of course the most annoying thing – as you’ve pointed out repeatedly in the past few days – is that they like to throw up a word-cloud of chaff, and then hand you a conclusion.
Word-cloud of intellectual stuff — savannah monkeys. YOU DISPUTE THE INTELLECTUAL STUFF EH?
Like in my discussion with AFKTT, in which it took over a month just for him to admit where he was going with everything (while alternately denying it and championing it) – total devaluation and demoralization of every person within civilization, hopefully death of 7-8 billion, humans reduced to being chimps and ought to be chimps. Nihilism, into the abyss at ludicrous speed.
What’d he do? Endless screed of non-enageing talking points. Lecture me and post videos on what, basic compound interest and hockystick graphs? Like, I have to place myself as opposition to nice, helpful, informative, smart people like Al Bartlett and Chris Martenson and be scum OR abjectly surrender to his cult of negation?
Like, they are OFFENDED if, when they talk about a, b, and c things, you won’t adopt thing X which they never argued for, never connected the dots to, refuse to engage on, and are endlessly evasive, not honestly forthcoming, or weasely about. Like, apparently legitimately outraged that you won’t automatically lay down and surrender.
Crazy Atheists — the presumption being IF you are atheist, then you MUST adopt our weird postmodernist deconstructionist invert-all-things weirdly satanist always just coincidentally eventually Frankfurt School cultist dogma.
Almost as if making people Atheists is just a matter of rebranding Critical Theory into the religious/philosophical realm. Getting people to be Atheist being a matter of Tearing Down All The Structures/All The Constructs and then Building Back Better — demolish for the purpose of “urban renewal”
But having gotten to a, b, and c things that get someone to become Atheist, they then want X thing adopted automatically, with total unquestioning obeisant faith, having never said “here’s the thing I want to sell to you today and why,” without connecting the dots, without proving or justifying anything.
Current Religion > Atheism > New Religion
In no sense to so called atheists – crazy atheists – think of atheism as the end of the road. They think of atheism as a wrecking ball. A ah… “reset” that enables new programming, if you will. They absolutely loathe, hate Mr Spock, man of reason and science, atheist, man of total integrity, hero. Threw away half a billion dollars to invert his character. (Threw away about the same to invert captain Picard, threw away billions to invert Han Solo and Luke Skywalker – THEY don’t think it doesn’t matter, THEY don’t think it is petty at all.)
Add atheists that convert you to a superstitious death cult to your list of food that poisons, medicine that makes you ill, investigators that block investigation, education that stupefies, banks that steal.
Ukraine is still looking like WW1 to me.
Back in WW1, the Entente thought it was human wave attacks that was giving Germany success in Belgium and France, so they didn’t realize the waves of men THEY sent were meeting waves of not men but explosives.
Germany had looked west, seen a landscape chock full of massive concrete fortifications, and built the weapons needed to crack them open. It just so happened that these same weapons, meant to maximize volume of explosives delivery and portability, were perfect for the upcoming war in general, not just for sieges – because the entire western front ended up being siege warfare.
German doctrine was to get your artillery situated by creating all your infrastructure – essentially building an underground concrete city – then positioning your artillery (with ammo stockpiles) so it could easily shift which sector it was targeting, then strike massive coordinated artillery blows sector by sector, moving infantry in to occupy.
While it was certainly superior to anything the Entente powers were doing, they had problems as well. It took time to move the artillery and ammo dumps. You could VERY effectively hammer chunks out of the enemy, but once you had blasted everything within range, you’d have to re-position which, again, constituted building a new underground concrete city.
The problem was that you couldn’t maintain a sustained advance. The very success of the bombardment left a quagmire filled moonscape you couldn’t move artillery or massive quantities of ammunition through. And in this era of conscription, it was simply impossible to have a breakthrough. With armies in the multi-millions, the gaps could always be closed, no matter how costly.
Falkenhayn had the right idea. Go ahead and build the underground concrete city, get your ammo dumps and artillery set. But don’t even worry about moving. Choose someplace the enemy will continuously feed men into, stay put, and just keep blasting. That was Verdun. The idea of it, anyway. Cut it off – all but a single small gauge rail line – and continually threaten this symbol of French resistance to invasion.
It worked, initially, but the established ideas of offensive advance were too strong to resist. Instead of remaining in place and blasting away, the Germans tried to advance and take the territory the way the Entente tried, with the same results. Falkenhayn must have been face-palming. The plan was to stay put and blast. Old ideas of success/failure die hard. And then as casualties mount, someone says “let’s keep trying for a week or two – we have to make all these casualties worth it” And in anther week or two, the same reasoning only with more casualties to justify, and so on, so that a ww1 “battle” would last for an entire month or an entire season. Certainly the Battle of Bahkmut, if there is such a thing, has lasted that long.
The Russians appear to have been playing Verdun in several places in the line, including Bakhmut, but without ruining Falkenhayn’s idea by rushing in for “big-arrow” breakthroughs. And with MLRS, the chunks they can gouge out are more widespread and varied. And MLRS can be repositioned way, way quicker.
The same dynamics are playing out for different reasons. In WW1, the problems with big-arrow breakthrough offensives was mobility and the giant conscripted armies. In Ukraine, it’s the advanced anti-vehicle weaponry and near omniscient intelligence of the battlefield. But the same result.
So they’re doing Falkenhayn. But a US Civil War general solved the same problem a different way. With armies moving too slow compared to the speed of enemy intelligence, Sherman used neither firepower nor speed. Instead, he would make an approach to more than one valuable target, steering his forces so that he could go for alternative objectives until the last moment. He called this “putting the enemy on the horns of a dilemma”
Over and over, he’d simply go for the OTHER objective once the southerners committed to a particular defense. And so they had to drop back over and over. That’s what the “march to the sea” was all about.
I THINK I can detect some “put them on the horns of the dilemma” action with Russia, but only hazily. It’s possible to be seeing these things only because they are looked for, I suppose.
Aside from that, I see a lot of comments-chatter in various places over “high ground” being taken or lost on various parts of the Ukranian theatre such as Bahkmut or Chesniv Yar. I’m not sure there’s that much value in a hill nowadays, what with drones and satellites. Does anyone actually need to look around from the top of a hill for targets? The artillery is far away from these hills and providing indirect fire just fine. Not like a of direct fire from the tops of hills is contributing.
I could see some value as an infantry position on the reverse slope. That would defilade their position from some weapons and prevent casualties, at least. But the top of the hill? Naked to infrared, presumably?
Notice that Russel Brand’s point is obscured.
His voice is turned down, the audience turned up, and then the recording is garbled when he makes his cutting point. It starts when he starts and lifts when he is done. I cannot make out what he says there.
These things are possible now with a single stereo recording.
For instance, you can take a recorded guitar chord, throw it into Melodyne, and change individual notes within the chord or tune the performance if the guitar was not tuned properly before recording
Or with Clarity VX, you can sing, talk, or rap while a jackhammer is going and then isolate the voice. (the old spy movie trick of talking while you run the tap or shower – nope, doesn’t work anymore)\
The youtube videos are garbled too. I tried about 5 youtube videos. ALL have Russel turned down, laugh track turned up, and garbling.
I will absolutely not believe that audio for a professional network broadcast was ruined as if a 5 year old was the sound engineer. Just for the one part Russel is making a devastating point.
My argument would have been – obviously – it’s civilization that created the darn radiation in the first place, but that’s me. It never occurred to me to say that it would just all be fine.
Nevertheless, the fuel rods are all here and blame won’t dispose of them. So whether we want it or not, we have a deadman switch that protects us from anti-civilizational whackos. Unless they’re TOO whacko.
I used to hate the spent fuel pools but now I am ambivalent. It’s the little guy’s MAD with the big guys. If all that WEF DIE stuff comes through and they successfully tear down all the Structures and Constructs preparatory to Building Back Better, then they get to bleed from their eyeballs. Or live like moles underground until they destroy their DUMBs ability to sustain them just like they did the biosphere.
It never occurred to me to say that it would just all be fine.
If the new rules of engagement is that you can wave your hand at massive catastrophe and it goes away, then I call that slightly elevated CO2 levels are fine.
Still want to play by the new rules, AFKTT? Or go back?
Afewknowthetruth, you SAY that 7-8 billion people should die and that people living in civilization are just mindless zombies, not real people. EVERY DAY here, you are, to differing degrees of openess, longing for some sort of mega-genocide.
As usual, I will remind you: simply declaring victory and not engaging in ideas is the argumentative equivalent of soiling your pantaloons and running away.
Supposedly all this genocide would be worth it to save The Climate, The Planet, The Biosphere or some such.
So you go on and on being Critical™ of The Constructs™ and The Structures™ in hopes of corroding those structures.
And if you were to succeed, everything you supposedly value will die of radiation poisoning.
Look man, I cannot say anything remotely authoritative about you, the person behind the keyboard. For your sake I HOPE somehow you are paid for this, clock out at the end of the day, put all this out of your head, and have a beer.
But your online persona appears to have some sort of vehement death-wish that has externalized against everything living and everything existing. You’re at it every day. You’ve openly called anyone living in civilization not real people, mindless zombies ie subhumans. You keep hammering away every day with The Climate™ branded Critical Theory.
I’m not even objecting to your ideas, your relentlessness with them, your unwillingness to engage with ideas at this point, I’m speaking to just YOU man. This is NOT GOOD FOR YOU. To maintain this internally day after day, hour after hour, minute after minute.
You complained about interactions at local meetings and stuff. Your conclusion is that your fellow humans are blind, stupid? Maybe they intuitively pick up on your attitude towards them? That they are subhuman non-humans who should all die? Maybe this makes your interactions a bit more unpleasant?
‘As I told him before, the great thing about Civilization is that it maintains about 1,000 or so spent nuclear fuel cooling pools.’
jb-hb, you obviously haven’t been paying attention. I demolished that faux argument several days ago.
Yes, I KNOW Critical Theoryist/Corrosive types like to say “that’s been debunked” yaw-effing-awn.
Unlike your death cultist beliefs, the many thousands of spent fuel rods exist in reality.
Your if-only goal being a man naked in the jungle – a naked man in the jungle can’t maintain 1,000 spent nuclear fuel cooling pools.
You face into the abyss and say “I WANT LUDICROUS SPEED”
I’ve thought, off and on, about what I’d do with the winnings of one of those really big Powerballs that go above a billion.
Best thing I can think of is to start a hospice or chain of hospices. There’s a bunch of abandoned old schools across the country that would work for the purpose. I could fill their libraries with books on stoic philosophy, get teams trained up on palliative care, start figuring out how to connect dying people to resources.
There’s going to be a lot of people in our atomized society with no one to turn to in their last days. Also people that have watched their loved ones go already. It would be a monumental challenge.
And I’ve never been tested. With half a billion dollars in my hands after taxes, would I just go nuts and buy a 50-bedroom mansion with beachfront property, convert 45 of the bedrooms into different flavor chocolate fountains? (no, 45 vats full of different-flavor lil’ smoky links, surely) Start flying all over in a private jet talking about how the working class make too much carbon dioxide?
Would “They” leave me to do my work, even? Like, would they have the decency of ages past towards healers and priests, recognizing them as non-combatants rendering service and mercy to the downtrodden apolitically? You swear your vows, get tonsured, and get to work and are left alone like in days of yore? Or would they feel compelled to tear down that structure as well? “make them welcome nowhere” etc
And am I strong enough against bitterness to see even ONE injected person off from this mortal coil with compassion? You isolated me, humiliated me, deprived me of occupation in return for loyal service, lied to me, tried to make me poison myself, would not listen to me even a little bit, therefore I spit on you if not physically then metaphorically? I haven’t been tested yet.
TVASF
Prepare for what lengths you may need to go to for the sake of compassion. What tests loom on the horizon.
If things are as bad as they are starting to look, the world is going to be one big hospice.
A major reason I didn’t take the injection. Because my wife did and someone must care for her if worst comes to worst. If we’re both #$*ed, that makes the nightmare 1000x worse.
And then that extends out to our human family. Who will care for the injected if all are injected?
I listed that as an argument in my request for a waiver to my employer, to no avail. Dudes, I am doing this FOR YOU. You’re fired.
The other day, Afewknowthetruth asked
What’s so great about civilization?
As I told him before, the great thing about Civilization is that it maintains about 1,000 or so spent nuclear fuel cooling pools.
If civilization has a Fast Crash, a Slow Crash, or just degrades enough, then it will not be able to maintain those pools. When not maintained, they boil off the water, then ignite, cooking up globally lethal amounts of radiation into the atmosphere.
ONE failed pool full of tens of thousands of rods is arguably enough to kill the entire planet, but these facilities typically have multiple pools. ONE pool cooking up will make the other 5 non-maintainable. Non-approachable. They’ll cook up as well.
Typically a country using nuclear power has more than one plant. When a region becomes sufficiently radiation-poisoned, multiple cooling facilities each possessing multiple pools, each containing tens of thousands of nuclear fuel rods, will become non-maintainable.
Yes, we get it that Structures™ are Oppressive™. We get it.
We get that, via re-branding, those structures can be Patriarchy™, Whiteness™, Capitalism™, Climate™, Civilization™, or anything really. The main thing is that we Criticize™ ie be relentlessly corrosive towards Structures™. It isn’t exciting secret knowledge, it’s boring repetitive claptrap.
But if you successfully corrode the structure of Civilization, EVERYTHING dies horribly. Including all you Critical Theory Warriors. Bleeding from every orifice, your bodies turning horribly painfully to mush, your ENVIRONMENT, your CLIMATE™ turning to dead brown mush.
And you KEEP GOING. Looking into the abyss, you keep going into it. The Biosphere, The Planet, etc means nothing, actually. Maximum human suffering and death – as a punishment? as a goal in its own right? – is paramount above truly anything.
No, the most merciful thing isn’t actually 8 billion people dying, with the 1,000 spent nuclear fuel pools cooking up and killing absolutely everything. No, if you care about The Biosphere, The Climate, The Planet, then you want Civilization more than anything ever in your life.
Isn’t it interesting how a variety of people – Naomi Wolf, for example – have started to describe the overall trends & forces of our time as satanic, demonic? Myself as well. What business does an ivy league educated feminist liberal woman have explaining the current trends as demonic in origin?
Whenever I do a back & forth with someone dedicated to the current Corrosiveness Of Everything, closet neo-marxism, whatever, at bedrock, it always turns out to be a hatred for human consciousness and objective reality. Those joined-at-the-hip basic things.
And what can you call that? All that exists and that which can apprehend it to give it meaning? Existence? Creation? I reject God and all his works? All-encompassingly? Nothing else fits the bill as an easy thumbnail-reference. Demonic.
The difference between the psychotic and the neurotic is that the neurotic KNOWS that 2+2 = 4, they just can’t STAND that it does. And we must deconstruct, “criticize” math, that description of the music of the spheres, the deep dive into every flower petal and beehive. Coincidence, right?
WHY do you look straight into the abyss and keep going? You KNOW 2+2=4. What are you counting on? (what are they ALL counting on?)
This stuff is BAD for you. That was its only purpose all along. Think about it please.
faced with total destruction of everything he supposedly loves, he goes into a fugue state of minutia justifying moral appropriation.
Dude, the nuclear fuel pools don’t SYMBOLICALLY exist, they PHYSICALLY exist and will PHYSICALLY ACTUALLY cook up if your desired Fast Crash occurs.
Somehow you think flinging symbolic moralistic poo at the nuclear fuel pools will physically cool them in actual real reality? wtf. Death Cult.
Everything you SAY you value will die if civilization dies and you lust for it don’t you? YOU are in a death cult
wake up.
incidentally, about Leonid and Friends (that frighteningly good Russian Chicago tribute band)
I saw them in Denver (well, ok Parker) at the height of the Omicron scare, when Delta was still supposed to be a big threat.
In a totally enclosed indoor concert theatre full of hundreds of screaming, singing, yelling, hooting, unmasked people for hours. I saw 2 people with masks.
Not a sniffle afterwards. Surely I should have died horribly if Covid was “oh so real” in the way I was supposed to believe. I should have gotten sick. Or sneezed once.
Instead, I was there at a celebration of love between east and west, of humanity and the fruits of the human spirit, of art for the masses – ie the working class. Thank you, Russia and one guy from Ukraine (their awesome Peter Cetera Serge Tiagniryadno). Sorry the thing you are writing love letters back to seems to be gone. But we’re actually still here.
But that was the thing that really, REALLY finally convinced me it was a scam. Hundreds of people indoors together singing and breathing heavily – not a sniffle.
love letters back to the West from Russia – to a West that seems to be fading away
An astonishingly competent loving rendition…
What little is left of the natural world remaining semi-intact is dependent on a fast crash occurring.
Us good, decent, civilized, real people have a deadman switch protecting us.
It’s called Spent Nuclear Fuel Cooling Pools.
You whackos REALLY are in a death cult in which you don’t want the environment to live, but want humans and human consciousness, the human soul, to suffer and die.
But if you get your Fast Crash, you and all you other Death Culters will die bleeding from your eyeballs and all other orofices extremely painfully at some length while your body slowly and painfully turns into mush.
Because in a Fast Crash, all those cooling pools will stop getting maintained, the fuel rods will boil off the water, then cook up into the atmosphere. Killing everything in a way that CO2 definitely could not. Except for the tube worms around the ocean vents, I suppose. And radiation-eating bacteria living in caves, we’ve come across those too.
If enough people with power adopt your viewpoint, then you and them are going to die horribly bleeding from every orofice. If not, then you’ll keep trying to demoralize everyone while continuing to live.
I just want to say about that Kent Nishimura guitarist from upthread – he has some incredibly lovely arrangements for guitar, really really excellent – a real treat. He seems to always know the right thing to do. I particularly enjoyed In Your Eyes and Does Anybody Know What Time It Is
My god those nails are long. I’d be constantly breaking mine at that length. But I cannot argue with the results. He’s a total monster, has such great control of relative volume of different intertwined moving parts. Humbling. THANK YOU for posting that, uzerzeroid
Unlike electric jugs, there are no supplies of second-hand smartphones.
dunno if it will be useful in your country, but I found backmarket.com to be a decent source of used cellphones.
As a general rule of thumb, it seems to always be easier to go for a used phone that was originally with the cellphone provider you plan to use, rather than bringing an unlock to a different carrier – that is an experience based on the US market, of course, which probably has some idiosyncrasies not prevalent elsewhere.
IF using unlocked devices from other carriers, usually your carrier will have some resource online to search the IMEI/MEID to verify if it can be used on their network and billing system, so if the seller effed up and you can’t use the phone they sold you, you can return it in time to get a refund and try again. The main concern would be to go with a seller that’s got your back in case the used phone is defective, stolen, or written off as part of an insurance claim (and thus rendered unusable)
now that it’s been a year, first thing I think of is that poll that determined those most in favor of “risking nuclear war” with the Ukraine situation were also most injected and pro-injection.
And that rassmusen poll around the same time that 30% of democrats wanted to place uninjected in camps that …help you concentrate.
Did they take some weird psychological road that led to the opposite of their Democrat beliefs of the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s? Pro corporation, pro war, anti working class, anti free speech, anti color-blind society now. Were they just waiting for the moment to self-indulge while posturing as everything opposite, or did they psychologically turn 180 degrees?
