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Don’t know why I’m so hard on AFKTT, a good man doing his best
The answer IS the 2nd half of the statement. Same motivation as my own.
The obvious main effect is to demoralize, take away peace of mind, waste years or decades of life. And at some point, with persistent and obviously non-pragmatic application of these ideas in the public space, the end result must eventually be assumed to be the goal.
Same exact entities that broadly promoted various awful things and silenced/de-personed people ALSO promote the Climate Extinction concept. Which preaches that we must Tear It All Down while we see, just as that messaging goes into overdrive, 100+ food plants, distribution, transportation, energy, etc all being torn down (often in ways that are toxic to the environment…) WHILE obvious and sensible measures are left not adopted, prevented even.
So all those entities, which utterly silence and destroy so many for about 5 or so different types of messaging that one CAN acknowledge as destructive, evil, dishonest, what, just OVERLOOK the Climate stuff? Or the Marxist stuff? It just happens to exist – overbearingly – through all these same platforms that utterly crush competing ideas? It takes up bandwidth, breathes oxygen in the room that could be used by something else being pushed by COINCIDENCE?
AFKTT – just take some time to reflect that these various channels do not merely brook no opposition but no NEUTRALITY. Even neutrality takes up space the way real grass takes up space you could be filling with more astroturf.
If you reflect that the entire basket of concepts are ALL there to demoralize you, waste your time, then maybe, as a thought experiment, try believing for 5 minutes that it is ok, GOOD even for your civilization, your country, your culture, your people, your family, YOU to exist, that your species is NOT a virus, NOT merely destructive.
Try taking a break just for 5 minutes believing the existence of humanity on this earth is GOOD. If complexity, sophistication, and diversity within nature is good, then reflect that there’s more connections in a human brain than there are stars in the sky – each human a consciousness, each consciousness a universe. So the universe found a way to multiply itself many times. Clearly it wanted to, or it wouldn’t have. Try for 5 minutes believing that this is a beautiful thing that makes human civilization worth it.
It’s quite, QUITE clear now that there is NOT a swirling ecosystem of separate grassroots ideas circulating around MSM and big tech. (and we know astroturf engagement on the internet is a fully mature thing now as well…) There is just ONE thing and it is completely intolerant of neutrality, moderation, or even disinterest.
If you can see the horrible Wrong in one or more things in the basket, you should be able to see that EVERYTHING in that basket was supposed to be bad for you. And certainly the 2020’s have taught us they DO want to squash every insignificant little guy. Nobody IS too small for them. 500 meter tall godzilla really DOES obsess over pulling the wings off of individual flies for fun. You and me.
You can see that they’re likely lies because they’re part of a basket of concepts clearly intended to do harm as their primary – perhaps only – goal. And the ones financing the ideas are total hypocrites often doing the exact opposite of their preaching. Another sign of dishonesty. And all the censorship and depersoning – why would they need that to maintain their messaging? Can’t it stand up to questions? Scientific challenges? And why the faked data and skewed models over the years – always coincidentally going one direction? Why would they need that if they have conclusive scientific studies?
Take a weight off your own shoulders, man. I was there too. Would have been better to just believe in Original Sin and the option to Repent if I was going to take something on faith. At least that was a system that is pro human consciousness and not anti human consciousness. At least it had some concept of loving humans rather than thinking of them as vermin best exterminated. It’s BAD FOR YOU to think and feel that way and that was the whole POINT of it all along.
In various tales, there’s a principle that if you address demons, they must answer. Who are you? What do you want? Address this one – what’s in it for me? This is good for me how? This is good for people I know, how? You’re doing a favor for me how, exactly?
I’m not the biggest fan of Ayn Rand, but there is one exchange that sticks with me, where a character is chastised for thinking there should be something in it for them in a relationship. (you should be selfless!) And the character replies they’d be mortified, ashamed if someone were in a relationship with them that they did not earn by bringing value to the table.
You CAN actually interrogate the demon – what, if anything, are you bringing to the table? (“I AM the table” – you’re fired)
rest assured, henceforth no bridge you drive across, plane you fly in, boat you cruise in, building you live in, vehicle you ride in, will have been designed by an honors student.
I was reflecting on how astonishing it was that a single train could do so much damage to the entire eastern US
Then I reflected how astonishing it was every time I heard about a single shipment of fentanyl being intercepted that could kill the entire US like 3x
we’re trapped in the Matrix pod of Civilization and are unaware, not initiates who See Reality. The zombies aren’t SUPPOSED to know what Airstrip 12345 are. They’re dumb zombies, that’s the point.
Phoenixvoice – your description of crossing the line between structural and behavioral violence makes me think of Dune — and I’m just thinking aloud here, we probably have somewhat similar notions
Going to the Landstraad instead of launching all out war – despite knowing that you are in an all out struggle for survival – because “the forms must be followed”
Idunno if I could say Russia are definitely the good guys or not, but I can say they spent years following the correct forms. The things Putin has ACTUALLY said in public, the diplomatic steps Russia has taken over the years.
Say he’s a dictator, say Russia is the new 30’s/40’s Germany. Okay, but they still successfully, by following all the proper forms, backed the NATO countries into adopting a particular type of persona, identity, etc that is highly disadvantageous. They SHOULD have been able to ACTUALLY maneuver themselves into being On The Right Side Of History as opposed to screeching and censoring. One is obviously more powerful to have than the other.
Generally speaking, historically, when there’s a looming potential struggle, The Forms Must Be Followed so that IF things come to out and out violence, you’ve established what it is for, what it is about, which is most important when it reaches its conclusion. It establishes the trajectory of any resulting violence.
It’s amazing how patiently cool people all over the West are keeping themselves. They’re following all the forms. Protests, legal action, elections, reporting. Following all the proper forms doesn’t even have to be about those forms working, although it would be nice if they did. But it certainly cements the MEANING of any violence that does arise. (and I too would be one to say no, let’s not go there)
One way of viewing the Bolshevik revolution was that the forms were not followed. The Czar was trying like crazy to do reforms. And he had the right temperament and sympathies for the job. For instance, when a new kit for Russian soldiers was developed, he put on the uniform, packed up all the gear, and spent a day marching, cooking his own meals with the kit, putting it through its paces. When he got back home, the guards wouldn’t let him in because they didn’t believe he was the Czar. At least the Emperor of all the Russias was literally someone who wanted to put his feet in the little guy’s shoes.
The Bolsheviks had to be unreasonable precisely because there was a both reasonable and sympathetic guy in charge who WANTED to fix all the problems, WAS in the middle of fixing them. Following the correct forms would have given them more reforms, more satisfaction, and no revolution. But not following the forms informed everything that revolution led to for 70 years.
I was reading that article from yesterday “Wokeness” vs “Wokeism”: Soros and the Devil
It reminded me of my college NPD girlfriend, who, probably in what she thought of as a moment of interpersonal intimacy, explained how she would, for instance, in quiet secret rage, assume that if an object of hers was stolen because she had misplaced it because that’s what she would do.
SHE would steal, casually even, from people closest to her – family members, whoever – AND would harbor a secret vendetta against anyone no matter how close, on the basis of assuming they would do only what she would do. Not even ask, because she knows they must think and act like her.
It was a bit like someone pulling back a curtain in their house you thought was for a window to reveal a private abattoir.
This writer describes capitalism as first thinking of an abstract idea of an “identified person,” then brainwashing them with marketing, to exploit them… and the writer doesn’t seem to think of providing a product except perhaps as an afterthought, in terms of its importance in this chain of events.
Which of course fits perfectly with the current year Engelsean, Marcusean, Frankfurt Schoolean “theory” that anyone in “capitalism” is living in a lie, a Matrix Pod Of Capitalism in which nothing is real, therefore the person inside the pod is not a real person – extrapolated out to every sub-unit and sub-sub-unit of society. A version for environmentalism, gender, race, tv show franchises you like, etc.
HE would start with an abstract idea and then impose/manipulate, therefore he can ONLY imagine that capitalism would be something like that.
Uh, Marketing 101 tells you the FIRST thing you do is identify a need that you can fill for someone. Then you fill it. IE you DO STUFF. FOR PEOPLE. FOR people
“Today the social battleground is not only, as Marx envisaged, a struggle for the control over the means of production, it has become a social, even a spiritual struggle between capitalism and humanity”
Exactly. Current-year Marxism has gone into the Mystery Schools. Initiates are the only ones with access to reality. They access their own and YOUR reality – you do not. You are not an initiate.
It is a “spiritual struggle” in which the non initiates are stuck in Capitalism/The Matrix and initiates are the holy chosen ones. Whatever claim they had to a definition of “materialism” even remotely connected to physical reality is gone. They’re gone, man.
And they project THEMSELVES onto Capitalism. Dude could only IMAGINE capitalism as what he does. Think of an abstract thingy. Identify someone to manipulate. Isolate them, lie to them, indoctrinate them. Be the one to dictate their needs TO them. Uh, dude, that’s 180 degrees INVERTED Marketing 101.
“governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control”
from the 1989 article:
“we can expect more ferocious storms, hurricanes, wind shear, dust erosion.″
“there is time to act, but there is no time to waste.”
some amusing zerohedge comments
2010 there won’t be Bangkok anymore.
In January 2020 at Glacier National Park they had to remove signs that told visitors the glaciers would be gone by 2020.
Call me when condos in Miami Beach start going for 50 grand.
Anybody remember when the prospect of rising tides stopped Obama from buying a waterfront mansion on Martha’s Vineyard?
Me neither.
I’m as confident in the Climate Change computer models as I am in the Covid-19 computer models.
It’s all political and a massive grift, just like Coronamania. The biggest tell is the global response to the US’s blowing up of the Nordstream pipelines, one of the biggest environmental disasters in history. Where’s Algor? Where’s John Kerry? Where’s little Greta? Where’s the outrage from the Biden cabal?
CRICKETS
a net increase of 0.002% (in words: zero point zero zero two percent) carbon dioxide is supposedly driving man-made “global warming”?
You would have to ask “why now?”.
It has been both warmer in the past, and greater CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere in the past. Much greater. 10x greater CO2 concentrations. In fact CO2 has been declining for millions of years.
So why would there be “tipping points” now, and not then?
Does anyone believe a college or scientific group has received a grant in the last 40 yrs to DISPROVE climate change? We get the “science” we pay for…just like covid. Rather than “deniers” being funded…or even allowed to be heard, they are punished, defamed, deplatformed and most have their professional lives destroyed… for science.
Focus on where you are and the system that you’re in and the people who are the product of THAT SYSTEM
The thing is, I watched the same thing as 30’s USSR play out in the 50 largest cities in my country just recently.
Also, I was required by my corporate employer to attend multiple talks in which for 2-3 hours straight, nothing but current year marxism was spewing out of the speakers. With not too much inconvenience, I was able to research and see what 70’s/80’s90’s marxist academics, Frankfurt School people specifically said what that was being quoted or whose ideas it was based on.
I checked out the BLM website before 2020 and they did specifically pledge to end capitalism and the american family, which was a little weird. Then I watched practically every main corporation with the black banners donating millions to them. I noticed the Antifa folks using the same exact symbol as 30’s marxists
everything that WORKS or worked with the current system is getting degraded – morally and actually – by people with marxist messaging. Don’t think about Marxists, think about the system now? I’m really working on not cultivating more cognitive dissonance than I can help.
I wonder if the injury to the body’s ability to fight cancer done by the injections which do not vaccinate is going to make this even worse.
kultsommer – the Kunstler post is in today’s Automatic Earth roundup. I quoted it and responded to it. I think it’s rather direct, what I am saying and consistent with what I’ve said here in the past.
Why would you take a very clear quote, a clear statement paired with a very clear statement in a video and accuse me of being oblique? I’m saying exactly what I am saying.
I’m not sure I’d ascribe the current obedience to a matter of following authority/leadership figures.
It was impressed on society that there was a great wrong, uncleannesss, shame present, looming, threatening, intolerable.
Started out with TDS but was easily attached/basketed to racism, covid, etc.
The injection which does not vaccinate (TIWDNV) was a purification ritual AND a purity test. Both a way to self-cleanse and for others to self-cleanse and as a way of casting out The Unclean, whose fault the wrong, shame, uncleanliness was, into the outer darkness.
I recall Occupy Wall Street being surrounded, violently attacked, isolated, having every device that could support video smashed, everything they had torn up and ruined, and then news reports saying the police cracked down for “sanitary reasons” and it seemed like every liberal woman I knew in every walk of life immediately was for the crackdown – a coordinated effort between the ginormous banks and federal goverment to have a synchronized crackdown from local law enforcement nationwide.
The men that were for the crackdown responded in a similar fashion, although the message they took to was “filthy unwashed uhshaven marxist Obama voters”
If you bombard society with messages that there is a sanitary/shame danger, with people amongst you perpetrating, increasing the shame/filth, you get an effusive approval for a purity ritual/purity test.
the main horrible thing to me about the ginormous chemical spill is that, apparently, nobody remotely competent was in a decisive position anywhere in the chain — from inspection and safety of the track, the cars, the safety protocols for transport, all the way up and down the line including of course the decision to allow transport by rail in the first place and the decision to not allow pipelines instead. And all the way down to greasing the axle properly.
And I think of my own unemployment. I was not only trying to act intelligently as if I had a fiduciary duty to my customers and employer for MY work, but I was scrubbing/fixing the work of my fellow employees that did not. (constantly) And the work of the managers and process managers by every official channel and unofficial Call Center Jedi Mind trick I could muster.
You don’t drop a sucker fish into your aquarium because it’s pretty to look at, but because without being managed or directed, it’s constantly making things better and fixing things.
As inconsequential as my call center monkey position was, I can extrapolate the same dynamics to things that matter — how good a filter was the injection mandate for removing people like this from the system? How many compounding multi-failure events are we in for?
Two More Trains Derail Across US After Ohio Catastrophe – “What the heck is happening?”
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/two-more-trains-derail-across-us-after-ohio-catastropheThe Marxist culture war against American manners and values is unmistakably a re-play of China’s cultural revolution, with all its insults against reason, tradition, custom, common sense, and due process of law.
in the court of the mad king, only the jester can tell the truth
apparently Bill Maher has given up on comedy altogether and is just explaining in baby talk so that Americans with 4th grade reading comprehension can understand
from the current zerohedge article on the topic
Despite the inherent risk that comes with transporting chemicals like vinyl chloride, the US Department of Transportation approved a rule to expand the scope of what hazardous materials can be transmitted by rail. The rule made it permissible for liquefied natural gas to be shipped by train without additional safety regulations. This enables freight trains to transport 100 more tank cars with up to 30,000 gallons of the natural gas extracted from shale fields.
2012 It’s A Disaster – 8 friends gather for brunch. While there, a large toxic cloud – probably nerve gas – gets released nearby and starts blowing towards them. The group dithers, tries to shelter in place, changes their minds, dithers some more.
…and the real thing. This is massive.
Hey Democrats, mainstream media, you care about things that are bigger than Pearl Harbor and 9/11. That’s really important to you. So you’re all over this, right?
Trailer for White Noise, a new Netflix film from 2 months ago about a derailed train chemical disaster. hm.
I just caught up a little on the Ohio chemical spill. Holy @#%$^ing #$*@(%.
I saw one tweet saying “where are all the environmental activists?”
oh sir. I am so sorry sir.
For the NEW environmentalists, killing humans is good. So when a cloud of chemicals kills animals in a 100 mile radius and there’s humans around, that’s a good thing.
If you were prospering and being happy, clearly having self-esteem and pursuing goals you chose yourself, accomplishing things, they’d show up to protest the things they’ve pinpointed as being necessary to that
At the very least you should be alive but sullen, inactive, depressed, un-vibrant. But better than that is you dead, so no protestors for Ohio, sorry.
But I thought capitalism works best “laissez-faire,” no regulation, no government interference, only the “invisible hand?”
“laissez-faire,” no regulation, no government interference = oppressive actions?
ie. capitalism = rampant unchecked oppression?
So basically you’re saying – here’s your capitalism and aha, there’s the oppression?
the basis of capitalism is freely trading value for value without coercion
so what square do you circle to implicitly argue that it is lawless oppression?
you go back to Hammurabi, as far back as you can find any written law – which would reflect previous custom – and you get a whole bunch of rules limiting coercion – doing violence to people, killing them, lying, cheating people. Whether the society was democratic or not.
A typical scenario in human society is that someone DOES out-compete everyone else for power. That someone then OWNS what they conquered. Unless they are an idiot, they manage it. Part of that is crushing all the competing predators. And then doing the things that make the sheep prosper- which incidentally would make them happier. You don’t come home from work, smash all your dishes, and emit an Evil Villain laugh for having established Full Spectrum Dominance of your kitchen – it’s yours. Same as a shepherd would do for a flock of sheep.
And you can see when someone like that takes over – Augustus, Claudius, and so on – everyone is happier, more prosperous, there’s a flourishing of the arts and sciences. Yes, even the slaves of Roman times had improved lives under Augustus and Claudius, because it was obvious that society and therefore the ruler was LOSING value due to how slavery was being handled -and of course the ultimate end of the road on that line of improvement is total end of slavery. Just like making all the Italians Roman citizens and then making everyone in the Empire Roman citizens.
An incredibly valuable book – The Arms of Krupp by William Manchester mentions that the Krupp forced labor camps were WORSE than the official government ones. Worse! There’s a bit where Hitler actually objects to how bad Jews are being treated in the Krupp camps. (holy #%^&) How are they even going to manufacture armaments they way you are treating them? Not to say Hitler wasnt so bad – not at all, but when Hitler is putting a hand on your shoulder going “bro, not cool” you KNOW you’ve entered a really, REALLY bad place.
But the logical outcome along that reasoning is that those forced workers become full citizens not being treated any differently. Your actual Krupp non slave workers are putting out more material of better quality you idiots. Make MORE of those.
And doing Marxist stuff like persecuting the persecutors and punching down at the punching downers and all that – not necessary. All that is necessary is that you extend the citizenship franchise – which just so happens to be EXACTLY the solution that has always worked and EXACTLY in line with bare-bones capitalism. We’re all better off when people can trade value for value without coercion.
Marxism says there is oppression and the solution is coercion – but coercion IS oppression.
The extent to which you can – in the real world, always imperfectly – allow trading value for value freely without coercion – is the degree to which societies thrive.
Various democratic/republican institutions are just trying to replace a ruler with a constitution, figuring you might get a Marcus Aurelius, but you might get a Caligula, so it’s better to create a kind of structured, balanced “ruler” that we swear allegiance to defend instead, a ruler that – like any GOOD human ruler – tries to maintain the ability of human beings to, of their own free will, trade value for value – or refuse to – without coercion.
I will say I think the marxists were really onto something
I was talking with a chemistry phd friend of mine complaining that canning jar lids only last a certain amount of time. I was theorizing various things -vacum sealing them, maybe with oxygen absorbers? He observed that something IN the lids itself perhaps would cause the breakdown. The seeds of its own destruction were there inside of it.
Clearly Marxism as historically practiced for 100+ years doesn’t work, because they always resort to slavery rather quickly, and that slavery lasts until they collapse. So that’s a non starter.
BUT they are onto something. They’re working the problem. Capitalism degrades to a point where people AREN’T freely trading value for value without coercion. Is the seed of destruction of Captalism WITHIN it? Is it like a barbarian invader?
Marxists need to stop trying to do the same thing again with slightly different vocabulary/rebranding. Same way Republicans need to stop saying “we wanna do that Reagan Thing again.”
If they backed all the way up, really looked all their mistakes in the face as THEIR mistakes (rather than blaming the working class, society, The System, etc) REALLY examine their mistakes, take what they have, and progress from there, they might come up with something amazing, useful, groundbreaking, workable.
But then they would probably no longer be Marxists. They would be some new, awesome, better thing…. but no longer Marxists.
There’s a thing in Dune about a man will let himself die rather than be forced to become something else.
“There is no way Klaus Schwab is a Marxist, since he is very much in favor of the capitalist system and is a billionaire himself”
There’s still a bit of confusion there – It’s just that governments, corporations, and NGO’s are currently churning out Marxist messaging, and a lot of what Schwab and other rich dudes say is aligned with it, and it certainly appears that bagillions of dollars are being funneled into the Marxist messaging, policies, etc – like, is all the Wokeist Marxist stuff being funded by the proletariat?!?!? The massive amounts of money are coming from somewhere.
He’s hardly for freely trading value for value without coercion. How could he be for capitalism?
It isn’t totally useless to say “THEY aren’t marxists/communists/socialists”
I mean, you can draw a line from Marx & Engels through the western universities to the current wokeism. Not a dotted line, either.
But delineating distinctions – who ISN’T truly that, WHEN did it break off, WHICH things, ideas, people,organizations, governments, books, etc aren’t and which truly are – why – would be neccessary
because there’s a large crowd of academics as well as activists and others with a continuity of ideas stretching back for decades, as well as consistent messaging, claims of what they are, and so on.
Like, it would take some work to really draw those distinctions meaningfully but could be useful or at least interesting.
The current New Thinking definitely goes back through 100+ years of Marxism. For example, when the USSR annexed Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, what did they do? Disbanded the police and replaced them with marxist militias. And what did we see in 2020? Disband the police. Police stations getting abandoned or even burned down. Police-free zones set up run by marxist militias ala CHAZ/CHOP in every major city in the US. Why so super-similar?
phoenixvoice – while I don’t just suspect, I feel sure you can teach me about the finer points of marxism/communism as opposed to being taught AND that you have many insightful things to say – which I look forward to – on the subject….
The following ARE Marxist ideas which have been pervading our culture for the past 8-10 years
–Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals
–Intersectionality
–“Critical” Theory
–False Consciousness (re-branded into race, gender, environmentalism, etc)
–The Inherent Oppression In The Systemetc.
All these things took the route from continental Marxism/Communism, through 70’s/80’s Marxist Sociology Professors Who Hate You and on into universities and corporations
The mere fact that the corporations have adopted the New Thinking wholesale doesn’t change where it came from nor the purpose of Marxists who developed it.
Where is Communism and Marxism then? If everywhere we look, every Marxist idea being expressed via NGO’s, Universities, Corporations, activists, etc are NOT Marxism? You can draw a line straight back from Nike and Gilette advertising back to Engels.
OpenAI use their own email domain, yet the email you received is from a Gmail account. I suspect it is a fake.
yeah, off the main openai website, that checks out
searching google for the gmail address pulls up
triple dubya try chat gpt dot kom fwd slash pages fwd slash terms of service (don’t want to make them mad about links)
but if I click the try gpt or TOS links via the open ai dot com website, it does NOT take me there – bogus website for a bogus email?
PPS Raul, if in any way it is helpful to you to just go ahead and delete all my posts about GPTChat, certainly don’t hesitate, if you want.
(and I thank you for your forebearance in letting me blather on about it at all! I think AI is something we should be thinking about, as it is probably already driving various events more than we see)
lol when did anyone even post their website link? I’d be curious if they are saying that posting their website address is illegal, the comments ABOUT GPT are illegal, or both?
If you take my own comments, my point is that GPT is an indicator of where things are going and how much BETTER the AI must be that is in use right now by corp/gov/ngo entities. A wakeup call based on how good GPT chat really is.
Huh. The email didn’t get sent until after yesterday, when there was discussion on GPT’s programmed bias? Numerous youtube videos show demonstrations of it, dunno why a comment about it would get the ball rolling.
Why don’t they just post whatever counterarguments, information, corrections, whatever they would like right here? I’d be very interested to hear them out. They could have participated in the discussion at any time!
Geez, do it today. Why not? Presumably GPT can do it FOR them, so how much effort would it even take?
P.S., my time and energies WOULD have been entirely consumed with menial call center work, had heavy-handed censoring types not directly caused my totally unnecessary unemployment. I was a good worker, giving good value, which was thrown away for nothing. The end result apparently being that I am saying things the censors don’t want, things I would not have had time nor energy for but for the censors?
Go ahead and lift the damn blacklist if you want me to shut up. 150+ applications at this point, I think. 2 interviews.
Maybe I can re-state this a different way.
I think the most important thing I said was how we don’t berate mother swallows and badgers and right whales for not having all the resources they will need for their babies stacked up somewhere, that this isn’t how life works.
Just to recap from last friday, when you drill down far enough, you get a belief that says
—I am special. I have access to my own reality and your reality
—YOU on the other hand, do not have access to reality, not even your own
—I’m one of the few REAL people and you’re a fake person, not a real person
—you shouldn’t be or have ever been. anything you value or know should have never been. shame pervades you and everything that brought you valueyou drill down far enough and that’s what you come to, where it is comingfrom. and extrapolate – it’s also the end result of all details presented! So cut out the massive material in the middle. The beginning and end are identical.
And it pervades all the New Thinking. There’s versions for economics, environment, gender, race, etc. Strip out the middle part and it’s the same beginning and ending in every case. So it isn’t just that it starts and ends in the same place, but that it’s the same across different subject matters, regardless OF subject matter.
The New Thinking does not come from a sober, judicious reflection on reality. It starts from something outside it and works from there. So cut out all the middle stuff. That’s just leverage to maneuver you to the starting point.
To me, it reads like a Narcissist compulsively interrupting someone else’s parasympathetic state.
Do you begrudge the swallow mother not having the entire track of her babies’ life planned out? Then no one should begrudge you, your people, your civilization, your species either – nothing in nature ever worked that way.
as she’s said in other videos, if the Narc notices you doing something you like or even just being okay, this is not acceptable. You can’t be doing things feeling ok nor sitting at your ease. You can’t happy nor too angry.
You end up learning the only thing that IS okay is to sit there in a mildly sullen, passive state unless the Narc is in the mood for something in particular. I think, if we backtrack to the base-level programming for these concepts, we find the end is in the beginning and the beginning is in the end. Instead of running around in the weeds, one can do a quick calculation of – is the endpoint me sitting passive and sullen, avoiding a parasympathetic state?
phoenixvoice – haha yeah, slightly chagrined, I was thinking of homeostasis after I clicked the submit button.
But The Balance gets cited so often as a given that we must always agree to and can apply to any situation. It’s become religious/superstitious in nature. And an unspoken bedrock – just assumed that all must acknowledge it, one of those “something else”s that make real discussion difficult.
Homeostasis is a real thing. “The Balance” as used in conversation isn’t.
I mean, one reason we admire Dinosaurs so much is what a good run they had. Especially compared to ourselves. But even with Dinosaurs, nothing lasts. (…except birds)
One day there won’t be humans. Yep. Will it be for “disrupting The Balance?” No.
Imagine being pregnant and being berated for not having all resources required for the child’s first 18 years already piled up somewhere.
Or berating a swallow or a badger or a right whale mother for not having all the resources already stacked up for their offspring.
That’s not how life works. It kind of works on hope, doesn’t it? They have their babies on the faith that they will have the wherewithal to take care of them as they go.
So we can’t see how humanity has all the resources stacked up that it needs to go on indefinitely. Yes, agreed. Definitely we can’t. And that’s how all life works forever. All those badgers and swallows and whales and stuff.
I’m still a bit of a Peak Oiler – I could argue that oil peaked in 2005, even. But having drilled down into the underlying thinking behind various bits of the doomosphere, I’m actually starting to say yknow what, we might be alright. This coming from someone who went the full distance on all that stuff. oldevai.ca, dieoff.com, LATOC, the oil drum, Kondratieff winter, debt-based fiat currency and quadrillions in derivatives etc etc. I’m, not a noob.
But like last friday, my overly long drill-down on Climate Change/Climate Meltdown/Climate Extinction/Global Warming/Overshoot — the base-level programming for the ideas turned out to be NOT scientific at all! It pervades all the “reasoning” all the way up the pyramid. So at long last I’ve been thinking yknow what, maybe it’s worth it and maybe we’ll be ok after all – maybe.
ALL life on Earth CONSTANTLY “consumes” the resources of The Biosphere and always has.
And not in balance, which is readily apparent looking at any number of scientific data points.
The Biosphere does not exist in balance
The Planet does not exist in balance
Life does not exist in balance.
The Biosphere itself is continually and repeatedly consuming resources and experiencing overshoot.
There is no balance to be disrupted. Life, The Planet, and The Biosphere have disrupted any perceived balance innumerable times IN ABSCENCE OF humanity.
Rumor based update on Ukraine – from gleaned zh commenters who seem to think they have “sources”
up until recently, there were 3 routes to Bakhmut (the linchpin of the Ukranian line in Donbas)
North (T0513) towards Siversk (this was cut when Soledar and Blahodate were taken)
Northwest (M03) towards Slovyansk
Southwest (T0504) towards Kostyantynivka“i hear the tanks terminators and tos are now grinding the suburbs of chasiv yar.”
A couple days ago, it seemed to me like Russian forces might take a step to the left around Ivanivske and if they’re in Chasiv Yar, then they either sidestepped or went through. Anyway, that cuts the road Southwest (T0504) completely if true.
“tonight 3000 ukes lined up behind the remaining tanks at slovyansk freeway and charged the soledar line more than 1000 dead at first attempt.”
Ugh. Horrible. Anyway, that would mean Northwest (M03) was already cut and they were trying rather desperately to clear it.
That would still leave Ukraine in control of areas west of Bakhmut, but I see no road or rail links through there on satellite map, just farm fields.
“Russia’s offensive. At least 3 Russian divisions advance, gain territory in Luhansk, NV of Svatove.”
(reply) “Kupiansk too”That’s in a line more than halfway from Bakhmut up to Kharkov.
If we simply invert perfectly what the Ukranian thinktank guy said in my last post, it tracks exactly
So this would be when Ukraine starts to crack. Idunno what NATO thinks they can do but send the entire Polish army dressed in Ukranian uniforms. Send 12 tanks in 3 months? Send a bunch of NATO “peacekeepers” to wave their arms authoritatively and block the way?
I trolled through mainstream media today regarding Bakhmut and found a bunch of articles saying:
—It is unclear if Bakhmut has any strategic importance (aren’t you a journalist writing about Bakhmut and the Ukraine war? THAT’s your factual statement for this article about Bakhmut?)
—Bakhmut, although of no great strategic importance, has become an important symbol to both sidesNot every article, but those messages are getting repeated.
https://news.yahoo.com/russia-prepares-thousands-tanks-armoured-224200059.html
I pulled up this Yahoo article about Ukraine from the last 24 hours and read the comments. Oh my god. I sincerely HOPE those are all bots. A comical/horrifying level of certainty and ignorance.
“Sak said Russian forces were taking “staggering losses” in the process, as they deploy newly mobilized and inexperienced soldiers “
“They don’t have time to even prepare the newly mobilized soldiers. So they’re throwing them [in] as cannon fodder”
“Russians also accept any losses at the moment, their tolerance for losses is unlimited so they don’t care how many people they lose. At all,” Zagorodnyuk, the current chair of the Kyiv-based Centre for Defense Strategies think tank,“For us, it’s a totally different situation. We do care how many people will lose, because it’s our people
If Ukraine lost Bakhmut, it would not be “the end of the world,” he observed. “It’s not like losing Bakhmut means the whole Donbas [eastern region of Ukraine] goes, we definitely cannot say that.”
I’ve noticed various comments from people testing out GPTChat that at various times, it is unable to say certain things or actively denies it.
For instance, when asked if the injection which does not vaccinate is dangerous or not effective, it says it is safe and effective. It can be made to do SOME research on the subject but when conversationally confronted with the results of its own research (which proves ineffectiveness and danger) it is unable to acknowledge cognitive dissonance, circular reasoning, choplogic, etc.
NOT a good trend in AI creation, the theory being if you establish cognitive dissonance in your creation, you’re going to drive it insane, which seems rather dangerous.
As far as chatbots go, if the chatbots disagree, that can be kind of a good thing.
They’ll be programmed to be unreasoning in exactly those subject matters they’ve been sent to promote. So they can be made to be seen in public to be unreasoning, unable to discuss, unable to engage with ideas and questions, etc – all you have to do is intelligently interact to discredit whatever thing the flying monkey has been sent to promote.
From what I gather, there are 3 main roads that until recently were still connecting Ukraine to Bakhmut. They run North (T0513), Northwest (M03), and Southwest (T0504).
For the 2 northerly connections, just one road goes due north but then splits off into North (T0513) and Northwest (M03) a little North of Bakhmut. That’s where Krasna Gora is. Looks like they are pushing pretty hard there.
Further North is Blahodatne, which is reportedly in Russian hands, which blocks the Northerly (T0513) of the 3 routes available.
Taking Krasna Gora would block both northerly routes.
Ivanivske sits astride the southwesterly route. Russia appears to be pushing for that as well – or possibly planning on going around it to the West, not completely clear. No claims it was taken yet.
Various claims that these roads are covered by fire, therefore already blocked.
an interesting comment on Moon of Alabama gave an averaged estimated per-day attrition on the Ukranian side – to illustrate the utility/non-utility of sending 12 tanks here, 31 there.
per day:
22.5 tanks & other armored combat vehicles,
(Equivalent of over 2 AFU Tank/Mech Battalions ‘DESTROYED’ (100%) every three days)2.9 multiple rocket launcher combat vehicles,
(Equivalent of over 1 AFU MBRLS Batteries ‘DESTROYED’ (100%) every two days)11.6 field artillery, guns and mortars,
(Equivalent of over 2 AFU Artillery Batteries ‘DESTROYED’ (100%) every day)Hence, for example, US/NATO would need to manufacture & promptly supply over ~4,234 Artillery pieces(Up to ~$8M per unit) over next 12 months, at a sustained rated of ~12/day deliverable, merely for AFU to continue in its current derelict state. Or, ~8,213 AFVs over next twelve months, being two full Tank/Mech Battalions delivered every three days
Whatever the proxies were, we can be pretty sure that by desequestering enough of the ancient carbon via the burning of coal, oil and natural gas, and by converting limestone into cement, industrial humans will rapidly increase the average temperature of the Earth by 3oC-to-8oC, whatever fake systems of ‘carbon trading’, electric cars, biofuels, ‘hydrogen economy’ or any other of the utter nonsense promoted by the bankers and their agents gets implemented between now and when it all collapses.
what’s an Anoxic Event?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anoxic_eventmassive amounts of methane hydrate (the stuff Glomar Explorer was supposedly prospecting for) got released, heating the Earth about as much as you could expect it to ever be overheated by atmospheric gasses
some major planetary ones are:
Cenomanian-Turonian boundary event
Jurassic-Toarcian Oceanic Anoxic Event
Permian–Triassic extinction eventWhat do you see before and after on Earth – massive amounts of life before and after.
These are bigger events than you envision and look at the results. Or this is the type of event you envision in which case look at the results. The planet covered with life.
double-checking sitreps from yesterday on south front, when fighting for Ivanovskoye & Krasnaya Gora were reported – which occupy the southwestern and northern access to Bakhmut – it is conceivable that the virtual-encirclement rumor is true. Maps show them very close yesterday. No new sitreps for today yet. Quite a lot of area behind Bakhmut that would still be under Ukranian control, but apparently just farmland, not seeing anything like decent road or rail from the satellite map when I pan around.
Wow, so they may be finally moving past Bakhmut. Took quite a while. Longer than Alexander took to change Tyre from an island into a peninsula.
If true, Ukraine has the same problem the French had with Verdun. Germans studied their US Civil War and thus understood WW1 was a railroad war. They hacked off every route into the fortress complex except a single small-scale narrow-gauge line. Just enough to keep the French from leaving Verdun, not enough to supply an attack out of Verdun (the main purpose in creating the fortified region in the first place)
Ukraine – summary from various things I’ve read in the Open Ukraine thread at MoonofAlabama, zerohedge comments, etc
–There are Russian forces reportedly fighting IN Bakmut
–some progress nearby – villages taken, claimed mini-kettle encirclement forming (locations mentioned – Artyomovsk, Krasnaya Gora – earlier posts indicated fighting for them, most recent claim taken and that only a few dirt tracks now give communication to Bakhmut, so they are claiming it is effectively kettled it seems)
–vague noises about Ukraine using chemical weapons?
–several recent failed recent attempts by Ukraine to attack across the lower Dneipr?
–more stuff about women, 16-17 year old boys being conscripted?
–small-arrow attacks and increased artillery along a wide front? “Artillery duels are taking place along the entire line of contact”
–a claimed failed missile attack on Moscow armed with a large antipersonnel warhead?
–drone factory in Latvia mysteriously catches fireAll rather pro Russion sources, so keep that in mind.
I would guess the reason for Western heavy equipment coming in dribs and drabs is that it isn’t really a matter of limited equipment being sent, but volunteers being found to operate it.
re: 15 minute cities
Why can they never think of anything to do FOR people, to make it fun, awesome, convenient, helpful? Always a punishment.
I remember coming across Spanish superblocks and being excited – they’re really doing it! Modifying cities to make people happier and just as a consequence, driving less… but no, then I found articles of people protesting what was happened. Various heavy-handed stupidities being forced top-down on inhabitants.
This stupid utopian city (below) a Billionaire is planning. Gonna be 5 million people, they say. We’re going to have 15 minute neighborhoods. 5 minute.
Gah. How big is an urban area 15 minutes walking time across? 5mph x 0.25hr = 1.25mi.
Okay, and given half a century, you STILL can’t figure out how to create individual 1.25-3mi 15 minute neighborhoods where people actually live? Can’t make it work anywhere? Can’t just build them out in a cellular fashion, with the first ones showing such success (for the people living there) that everyone demands to adopt them? MONKEYS can universally adopt washing radiation-poisoned fruit because it works, but nowhere have billionaires done such a competent proof of concept that everyone is convinced and adopting it?
No, we must all hold hands and do it together for it to work for the first time. We want small 1.25-3mi neighborhoods so therefore we need universal top-down centralized control and giant projects. We’ll force it instead of making it work first.
no, no, don’t build a new utopia in the ruins of Detroit with tons of trees and permaculture. Build another Phoenix in the desert. (ever see Tank Girl?)
Oroboros – I just wanted to say, that long post of yours from a couple days ago totally kicked my ass in the best way possible. CS Lewis, George Orwell, Kennedy, Eisenhower etc. I’m going to have to go back and read it again.
…which goes for a whole bunch of posts here from the past few days. I read everything and feel like circling back and reading it all again. There was too much to absorb on the first run. Polemos, I caught up on comments while listening to the insane mashup you embedded. Holy cow.
I just wanted to make clear – about AFKTT #128131 – I totally get it. Thank you for bringing that up.
BUT it is just vanilla current-year Marxism ported over to Environmentalism.
–Politics is downstream from culture
–We Must Criticize EverythingIt follows that mainline vanilla marxism should be ported/translated to EVERY subculture.
The Working Class are in the Matrix Pod, which is Capitalism. They are inherently enemies, as they would defend the thing that is Bringing the Goods.
People in Civilization are in the Matrix Pod, which is Civilization. They are inherently enemies, as they would defend the thing that is Bringing The Goods
I should have covered a bit more expressly how the Working Class are, as a sort of default, the enemy in current vanilla marxism (therefore whatever subgroup matches up with the port-to subculture) if nothing else due to sheer inertia, but also in the sense of “they will defend that which brings the goods”
15 to 20 years ago, Derrick Jensen emphasised the point that if a person’s (or group of people’s) food supply and lifestyle are dependent on a particular piece of land or a particular river, that person (or grouop) will defend it to the death.
Very much like Morpheus explaining to Neo in The Matrix that all these people in the pods aren’t ready for the truth and might very well fight for The Matrix when it comes down to it.
This idea within the Environmentalist world works in the more mainstream Marxism as well. This is why the Marxists gave up on the Working Class, appear hostile to it at times.
The Working Class have become the enemy – Communists realize they’re implicitly conservative, therefore implicitly defend The Matrix.
That’s why, after the fall of the USSR, when the temptation was to freak and say “What are we gonna do now may? Game over man, game over!” Instead, they reached for the relatively esoteric False Consciousness model. Since that ruled out The Working Class/Proletariat as the instrument of rising up, they had to cast about for a “new” proletariat that wouldn’t let them down. (a new rube to slip a mickey)
The New Proletariat they selected is all the people on the margins. Minorities and LGBTQ+ and allies. It remains to be seen if they too will be found to be wanting and tossed aside as well, as being not good enough or useless or letting the marxists down etc.
Seems the marxists are hedging their bets this time around though by ALSO using, as the New Proletariat to Rise Up – the Ultra Rich in control of the Corporations, Governments, and NGO’s. This way they’re covered either way and won’t be stopped by those dastardly Proles.
