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Revealing The Mysteries. A model for understanding the current Western zeitgeist.
Part 5.) THIS IS THE BEST. HAMMAR. EVAR. I SEE NAILS EVERYWHERE
False Consciousness accounted for everything. The Workers didn’t Rise Up because only REAL PEOPLE would rise up – after all, it’s REAL people that Marx’s prophecy addresses, not FAKE people.
You can see where this is going, can’t you?
While mainstream Marxism would be concerned False Consciousness as it relates economics and politics, there’s really no end to what it can be applied to. For example, if you were to retrofit it to environmentalism, what might you argue?
Just replace “Capitalism” with “Civilization” and work on tightetning up your terms a bit. Civilization (everything arising from agriculture) is a lie. Isn’t it? What did AFKTT say?
The most natural state for humans is naked in the jungle
That which is natural is the truth, surely. That which is totally UN-natural would be the lie.
What ELSE has AFKTT said?
Which K’ung or Pygmies are those, jb-hb, the ones who were wiped out or the ones being killed by ‘civilisation’ on miniscule ‘reserves’? -just as all indigenous people were wiped out or are languishing on miniscule ‘reserves.
Anyway, even if you could find any real people…
Very, VERY interesting, yes?
Or back in August:
Now we have a huge population of zombies, within which lives a tiny minority who are really alive.
If people living naked in the jungle are The Real People, who AREN’T real people?
Living as a Paleolithic animal is the truth. NOT living as an animal is a lie.
Do you have genuine discussions with dumb animals who have no access to the real world, who live in a world of misinformation, irrealtiy, whose minds are merely an imprint OF irrealtiy, not real minds?? No. It absolutely cannot work, cannot possibly be a thing.
All you can do is TRAIN a dumb animal by rote. By repetition of small things, diligently, intensely, over and over until it is trained up to what you need. Using any techniques that would be most likely to make it work. By any means neccessary. Why not AND of course. Nothing else could POSSIBLY make sense. (would shattering someone psychologically via devaluation assist this training process? How nice to have the tool and the reason to use the tool in a single hermetically-sealed precept.)
By the very definition of the belief you hold and which your opponent ought to be convinced of, which you hope to convince them of, you approach them to train them, bit by bit, into reality. There is no possibility of discussion with a fake consciousness. It doesn’t have to be purposely underhanded, sneaky, in conscious bad faith. It is integral to the structure of the idea you’re siding with.
Based upon the structure of that idea, it would act in an onion-like fashion. The only reason to expose more complex and more important ideas to a dumb unconscious animal living only in lies is if the current tool is NOT working and you need to reach for the next most powerful tool. It would be the most natural human reaction to do so.
See why I had to grind away through the levels to show it?
The only reason AFKTT even kinda-sorta admitted yeah, it’s Jensenitism is because I started critiqueing it regardless of his reaction – at THAT point, it made sense to defend it, but not before. BEFORE that, the thing that made the most sense was rote repetition of little constituent bits. NOT because AFKTT is some kind of asshole, but because it is intrinsic to the idea, the meme-complex, whatever you want to call it. It follows logically, once you accept the givens.
Ok now go back to the core beliefs of Jensenitism. Observe that we’ve already translated them back and forth between Political/Economic and Environmental with ease.
Do the same with race. Whiteness = Capitalism. White Consciousness = False Consciousness. You can easily extrapolate from there.
Ok, now consider that Gender Is Just A Construct. Replace Capitalism with The Construct Of Gender. Again, everything translates perfectly. You live in a lie. Only the initiated know real reality. Etc.
Say, when it came to the injection-which-does-not-vaccinate, didn’t anyone with a contrary opinion get treated like nothing? Hey look, are they rising up on two legs trying to SAY something? (did the injection act as an initiation, purity test, purification ritual?)
See how many complicated nonsensical things we’ve observed could be just ONE simply-understood thing?
See why it would be hidden in plain sight?
The Initiated have no reason to “argue” at the initiated level. The Un-Initiated But Sufficiently Trained would have internalized the structure of the idea/meme-complex but certainly wouldn’t give you an excutive summary explaining why they are behaving a certain way. They don’t HAVE that for you.
I kept asking afewknowthetruth – where do you draw the line if Planetary Meltdown is at stake and people who disagree with you are just despicable evil people getting in the way?
Well, what if they aren’t actually even PEOPLE?
The answer is, THERE IS NO LINE. There is NOWHERE you stop, morally:
afewknowthetruth 9/1/22
Moving beyond the superficial ‘mass murder is evil’ narrative we can see that when you have a massive population overshoot of the order of 7 billion, and an inadequate food supply and a planet in meltdown, it makes perfect sense to get rid of as many people as possible now because that will reduce the amount of suffering in the future.
If you can transpose all the JUSTIFICATIONS onto ANY aspect of human life, you can transpose the ultimate CONCLUSION as well, can’t you?
And The Phrase of 2020: “We Must Take Everything Away From Them”
Think back to The Workers, getting all the goods successfully delivered to them by Capitalism.
It’s WRONG for them to have jobs and homes and gardens and cookouts and tball teams and civil society and progress. The solution to False Consciousness is to take them OUT of the Capitalism Matrix Pod and put then IN the Marxist Matrix Pod so they have NOTHING but the truth. “Everything” is currently Capitalism.
We extract you from the pod to free you. You must have Everything Taken Away From You. Obviously. “Everything” is the entrapping Capitalist/White/Gender/Climate/Antivax Matrix pod/lie.
Does it appear like someone is trying to Take Everything Away lately?
Revealing The Mysteries. A model for understanding the current Western zeitgeist.
Part 3.) WTF. RELIGION?
as AFKTT said, “the natural state of humans is naked in the jungle” Try replacing the word “Jungle” with “Garden.”
Humans are just animals
Humans SHOULD be just animals
Humans should have tried harder to be animalsWhat happened that caused awfulness? Agriculture? That moment of becoming NOT an animal.
Loss of innocence.
Man will be turned out of The Garden and must toil in the field. Agriculture.
Everything bad came from The Fall, didn’t it?
And we carry the intrinsic guilt with us, all of us, all civilization, all civilizations that have ever been.
What do we deserve? Punishment?
Why should it be that such a toxic, destructive worldview that specifically rebels against all the things arising from agriculture/civilization should nevertheless make itself a perfect paper cutout of Christianity, a major Thing that Ought Not To Be?
Why SO perfect? Coincidence? Cosmic coincidence? Everyone knows 99.9% of known events are caused by coincidence.
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Revealing The Mysteries. A model for understanding the current Western zeitgeist.
Part 4.) THE FIRST DESPERATE MARXIST COPE
Many religions have the idea of a progression through time.
For example, Christianity proposes an End Time in the Book of Revelations and elsewhere. The Beast, Trumps of Doom, Return of Jesus, a Last Battle, a New Jerusalem and so on —- a specific prophecied set of things arriving at a specific destination. We’re not in stasis – we’re going somewhere.
Karl Marx proposed something called Historicity. Certain conditions would inevitably lead to other conditions, inevitably leading to Utopia. Major events which, in his own religion, would be akin to important events in the Bible provided signposts on the way there.
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Probably THE major event was The Workers Will Rise Up. Integral to Marx’s doctrine was that the holy Conditions would INEVITABLY bring this to pass.Christianity has some embarassing things to deal with of a similar type. That crack about Jesus returning to Earth “in this generation.” The fact that it has been 2,000 years. But at least there’s that bit about the return coming like a thief in the night and no one knowing the time or place. Scripture and worldly events have to be re-interpreted in that light.
People started pointing out that all the Holy Conditions for The Workers Will Rise Up were met, had been met for a long time. But the workers weren’t rising up. But The Holy conditions are paramount, supreme! Prophecy and prophet – FAIL!
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Diligently enough, the Marxists went to work on the problem. Engels proposed a retrofit solution:The problem is that Capitalism is Delivering The Goods. (The workers get to, generally speaking, get the things they want and need, lead meaningful lives with their friends, family, hobbies & interests, communities, institutions etc) ie the working class are carrying on with a good life within capitalism and that’s WRONG.
It’s wrong because capitalism is a lie. Communism is the truth.
It therefore logically follows that it isn’t right that The Workers should live predominantly happy meaningful lives with their material needs met when it is a lie. The workers shouldn’t be HAVING all those Christmas get-togethers, backyard barbeques, tball leauge matches, block parties, stable multigenerational families, functioning traditions and institutions, a civil society. It’s wrong for them to have it because it’s all a lie.
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Engels proposed that, what with Capitalism delivering the goods AND being a lie, the workers exist in something like a pod from The Matrix. They’re trapped in a world of total illusion/delusion.What do you even CALL a being that exists in NOTHING but illusion/delusion? Like, not just fictional representations of reality but gross MISrepresentations of reality? What would a being be who existed in NOTHING but a sea of MIS-information?
If a human’s consciousness comes from being born a blank slate, which then constructs an a priori model of reality, which is consciousness, then surely it follows that if nothing but irreality is presented to that blank slate, then it will NOT FORM A REAL CONSCIOUSNESS.
If you take lies (Capitalism) and create an imprint off those lies (a human brain, born a blank slate, then molded by inputs,) you end up with a brain, a being, a consciousness that is a lie. You’d HAVE to.
And lies AREN’T REAL.
Engels coined the new concept – False Consciousness
You can extrapolate this a number of useful ways
–You believe in nothing but lies. Everything you think is a fact is false – we don’t need to check.
–Even your structure OF thinking is a lie. The basis of your “reasoning” AND the “reasoning” itself is just a lie.
–You have no real consciousness/soul, so we don’t have to treat you like you doRevealing The Mysteries. A model for understanding the current Western zeitgeist.
Part 2.) A SUMMARY OF “JENSENITISM”
AFKTT posted his own Jensenite manifesto here. Rather than having everything my own way, I’ll link to HIS explanation of it before I give mine:
my explanation of it:
1. Humans are nothing but animals and should be nothing but animals. Are guilty for not having tried hard enough to be animals.
2. Agriculture and everything that came from it was BAD
3. Civilization is inherently oppressive. Twisted, Evil. Is the source OF evil. Systemic oppression.
4. All human advancement (within civilization) is simply the progress of humans getting more and more destructive of anything good.
5. You’re all doomed. DOOMED. Everyone and everything you ever knew. DOOMED.
6. You SHOULD be doomed. You deserve it.
7. We should be Tearing It All Down as much as possible ASAPI would sum this up as sort of a super-demoralizing, super-devaluing death cult creed. Everything and everyone that is, was, or will be is awful. Progress is BAD not good, you’re doomed anyway, and we should be bringing the doom ourselves. All routes to self esteem – from personal to civilizational – cut off. All routes to hope or positivity – cut off.
As Catherine Austin Fitts says – if something isn’t working for its stated purpose, look at what it actually is doing – that is its actual purpose. This worldview does not WORK. It can’t.
In boot camp, they break you down psychologically so you can be built back up along specific lines. This is the utility I see in impressing this worldview upon someone. Once you’ve fully and completely devalued everything from internal to external, from the micro to the macro and you have a shattered human being before you, what’s the next step, eh? Go And Do Thou Likewise? Also, we just so happen to have some other “facts,” values, goals for you to internalize now that you have nothing. You won’t grab at them like a drowning man grabbing at something, anything to stay afloat, will you?
I waited until page 2 out of respect for the general conversation. I considered doing a series, but with apologies if this bugs anyone, I ‘m going to rip the bandaid off and wrap it up in one day, rather than dragging it out over a week.
Revealing The Mysteries. A model for understanding the current Western zeitgeist.
Part 1.) INTRODUCTIONS AND APOLOGIES (AND WHY SHOULD I READ THIS?)
Today I’m going to try to wrap up my thoughts about “Jensenitism,” in the course of which I will reveal Esoteric Mysteries along the lines of ancient Mystery Cults which are driving current events. Not kidding. Intended to have some practical application.
I will attempt to tie The Mysteries back into not only the current thinking in Environmentalism, but much of the current overall zeitgeist of current Western Civ. On the way there, it may seem wacky, but upon arrival, the response will probably be “that’s actually fairly mundane.” It should give a simplified working model for current events, rather than making it more complex.
After this, I’ll try to decrease my posting and be less combative – I was going somewhere with all this though, so I should at least finish, make it worth something. Sincere apologies for any and all things I’ve done that changed the tone here or disrupted things.
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Why is this important? Because this thinking is clearly informing the policies and actions of Governments, Corporations, and NGO’s frequently – continually, at this point. So we should be paying attention.Why else is it important? I’m going to be providing a Working Model (not a certain truth) that you can slap down on reality to see if it tracks – does it work, is it somewhat useful in forming an understanding of events?
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There are a few possibilities on HOW exactly it pervades the Masters of the Universe class:
1. They wholeheartedly believe it
2. They propogated it cynically, but have at least partially drunk their own coolaid
3. They propogate it cynically, but it’s useful to have people one or more levels down believing and acting on it.It’s debatable – did Marxism re-invent The Mysteries as a part of its evolution? Did The Mysteries invade Marxist thought from outside someohow? Dunno. But The Mysteries now propagated would be recognizable by someone in, say, 200BC or 200AD. Or 2000BC for that matter.
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Nevertheless, I’m going to name (misname) this a direct but wacky outgrowth of “Marxism/Communism/Socialism” and perhaps we can throw in “post-modernism/deconstructionism.” Anyone with more knowledge of these things than me – and I guarantee we have people here that fit that description – can easily jump in and say “you’re not getting it right”. And they’ll be correct.In the general way I intend to use terms, I’ll be correct, as far as trying to give a very general overview, enough to form a picture without going into abstruse detail. At least as a placeholder, words like “Jensenitism” and “Marxism” will have to do. IF someone wants me to provide citations, just say so and I will track down the names, dates, quotes, citations, although that will be a long term project.
I DEFINITELY understand if my approximate-use or misuse of terms would rankle. If it does, go for it. I will do my very best to be inquisitive rather than argumentative in response.
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AFKTT – Respect to you. We disagree but I see you battled practically alone, persistently, and I appreciate the engagement. As the resident representative of Jensenitism, I’ll be referencing you a bunch – We Apologize For The Inconvenience and I salute you.Boros – Respect – if nothing else, you jumped in AFKTT’s corner so he would not be all alone in the battle. Taking the Planetary Meltdown side of the debate moved it forward, which I certainly couldn’t do, being on the other side of it.
phoenixvoice – I wanted to apologize to you specifically for my getting combative over continental vs anglo revolutions, calling the french revolution bolshevik revolution 1.0 etc – I’m about to make copious reference to “Marxism” and you probably have stuff to say about it that is more knowledgeable than anything I could say. I promise to be good.
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I’m about to clumsily stomp all over some terms because the concepts require placeholders if nothing else, and they will be approximately correct – correct enough to communicate the ideas.Well, I showed up around January and started a barfight so maybe I’m to blame. And just because one person is calmer and one person is less calm doesn’t make the less calm person the bad guy. I will try to do better. Anyway, I’ll be coming back to read that post again.
boscohorowitz – I guess I can’t accuse you of posting a novel as a metaphorical epithet!! You’ve got a good enough turn of phrase to think about/work on getting published.
I was already going to say this before your last post – sorry I replied at a tangent to what you said, but what I replied to was a tangential reply to what I said. Like, it isn’t THAT insane to go one hop back in a connected chain and return to one’s own point. Nevertheless, I will try to bend more with the flow – no promises on how much but it will be on my mind.
D Benton Smith – I totally did laugh at that joke.
And your bit about atheism being a religion. The atheist me of 10 years ago would have gone after that like it was red meat. Atheism is an absence.
HOWEVER you’re essentially correct also.
When one is turning atheist, one usually focuses on what’s being pushed out and not monitoring what is coming in so much. Really starting in 2016, I started looking at all the implicitly accepted postmodernism, deconstructionist kind of stuff. That ain’t no absence. How’d it get in there without having to pass any kind of burden of proof, the very thing an Atheist should require? Are these ways of thinking even GOOD for anyone? Are they unhelpful and parasitic? Like psychologist Erikson would have warned me, is cognitive dissonance doing bad things to me?
And then you always come across the people that would be helpful last. Gad Saad, Peter Hitchens, Jordan Peterson, Jonathan Pageau. Watching Sargon of Akkad was helpful just because he was already on the same general path. Anyway, Maps of Meaning was an aha moment – watching the youtube series – finally someone showed me in what way those Bible stories are true, regardless of whether they factually occurred or not. And whoever originated them is like “Here’s something to help with this s#!%” Like, no postmodernist ever went so far. Ask em “What exactly does this do for ME?” and see what happens next.
And if you’re curious where is this guy coming from before then – grew up going to a small church founded by a swedish splinter group that decided Lutherans were idolatrous pussies lacking in rigor and purity. Pretty easygoing group anyway, can’t blame anyone on the basis of strictness. Church every sunday, catechisms, confirmation, youth group, bible camps in the summer, read the bible in my free time. Didn’t break away in order to rebel, party, do drugs, or engage in free love (what a mistake)
boscohorowitz – I appreciate you anyway. It’s not my website, not my forum and of course anyone can say anything about or to anyone else without my having any say in it of course. I’m neither smarter nor better than you.
That said, IF you want to jump in on the Jensen stuff, please say where specifically you stand, if you’d like. Everything I’ve seen you say appears to me to have been in support and I cannot for the life of me find anything you take exception to other than “tear it all down.” You keep directly responding to posts specifically about it, which is FINE.
haha nice crack about being gainfully employed eh. I never accused you of being a souless AI. Can’t tell if you’re telling me not to read any of your posts or promising not to reply to any of mine, but it doesn’t seem to be holding up, which I am perfectly fine with. Whoever fouled who, we can play again another day.
Dr D – I haven’t fit it in yet because I felt it deserved a little more exposition – but since you’ve done it for me, I’ll say it
Humans are just animals
Humans SHOULD be just animals
Humans should have tried harder to be animalsWhat happened that caused awfulness? Agriculture? That moment of becoming not an animal. Loss of innocence.
Man will be turned out of The Garden and must toil in the field. Agriculture.
Everything bad came from The Fall, didn’t it?
And we carry the intrinsic guilt with us, all of us, all civilization, all civilizations that have ever been.
What do we deserve? What is coming as punishment?
I think my first post here on TAE was that rant about My Dinner With Andre where I said “If you want a priest, then geez, go get a priest. If you want a monastary, geez go to a freaking monestary” etc
Going around the entire world to reinvent the wheel and you could have just stayed home and gone to church. A belief system that has done 2000+ years of beta testing, checks and balances, all with the hope that it lets you do what really matters to you in your life right now and not waste a bunch of time spinning your wheels. Just take it off the shelf, drop it in, ready to use.
lol and I say this as a fairly rabid atheist.
boscohorowitz… here come the receipts
boscohorowitz: jb-hb: I was not speaking to you not your argument with afktt….
…I never said nor agreed with…
“Any OTHER specific tenets you would like to disavow at this time that you didn’t before”
Yeah. Every.goddam.one. you.stick.in.my.mouth, in the process dislodging what I said.
my post from January 7, 2023
jb-hb: please tell me what, if anything, Jensen is wrong about?
your reply addressing my post
boscohorowitzAs for the rest of that Jensen dude: I agree with his diagnosis of the patient, but his Rx is just adding more damage to a dying system
dude, NOBODY else was talking Jensen. You replied to MY POST asking what if anything is there to disagree of with Jensen. you weren’t talking to me or joining the Jensen debate, gotcha.
AND you’ve spent the past 4 weeks backing up the Jensenite with copious text. On many posts specifically concerning Jensen, Jensen’s beliefs. “Coincidentally,” NOT ONCE have you popped in to say anything Jensen says is wrong nor why. You’ve been constantly counter-arguing to posts by me specifically addressing AFKTT – which is FINE, I appreciate you – it’s just that NOW you are pearl-clutching and saying “why I never” like you weren’t part of the argument, didn’t take it up of your own free will, etc.
and oh hey, by the way AFKTT wouldn’t answer when I asked if he was a Jensen advocate BUT
Didn’t realize he’d posted a whole Jensenite manifesto
so much time & trouble. We could have STARTED from there.
hahaha right on time.
Typically, when we get to this point, when I’ve really dialed in on WHY Jensenitism is bad – a next stage following getting the terms agreed to – that’s when on of 2 things typically happen
–naw, that wasn’t me. jb-hb YOU really think some weird stuff! <clutches pearls> why I never
–jb-hb, you just have to understand these basic fundamental facts that we, our community here, are aware of, why can’t you see? (as if I have been arguing against basic evident stuff and am a newb)
so we’ve made it this far.
There IS a mystery-religion type Esoteric Truth thing at the end of this.
AFKTT made reference to it this weekend. Could have jumped on it, but I wanted to let things play out just a little longer to see what happens. Might go over it tomorrow or a little later this week.
Sorry for all the text. Any onlookers should be able to see why I cannot make big-arrow movements but instead must grind. But after 4 weeks, suddenly in 1 week, we covered quite a lot of ground.
Oh yea, that Jensen thing: the fact that some people think we would be wise to address our paleolithic genetic roots does not mean they wish for anyone to squat naked while eating mud.
ah how the worm has turned
Allow me to remind you that I listed off the tenets I see as being Jensenite and asked AFKTT what if anything he disagrees with. You jumped in – which you are welcome to do, I appreciate you – and stated you agreed with all of it EXCEPT we don’t need to Tear It All Down, blow up hydroelectic dams etc because it is too late.
Now we’re just silly to not be sensitive of and be aware of our paleolthic roots?
The things you jumped in to specifically say you agreed with (I didn’t lead you into it, put words in your mouth, etc – you responded to that specific post and said what the only thing was you disagreed with):
1. Humans are nothing but animals and should be nothing but animals
2. Agriculture and everything that came from it was BAD
3. Civilization is inherently oppressive. Twisted, Evil. Causes everything to BE evil.8 billion people need to be gone asap and it would be a good thing if they did
if we could use a time machine to retroactively get rid of everybody from the start of Agriculture/Civilization forward – such that they didn’t even get to have lives to begin with – that would be a good step too
we need to tear it all down, starting asap, all the structures, all the infrastructure supporting civilization.
Any OTHER specific tenets you would like to disavow at this time that you didn’t before?
Let’s stick to animals for now, eh?
Let’s just make up random rules
Also, you’re doing the same thing that your “punishing Xtians” do: making a moral case of an amoral thing.
A moral judgment was made on something – I responded with the plant analogy, which is amoral. …therefore I’m being a moralistic Christian. Gotcha
mega-extinctions aren’t bad if plants do them, ARE bad if humans do them. Gotcha.
So there’s nothing morally bad about extinctions at all, even planet-wide ones, the moral aspect to the question is…. “Something Else.”
our big brains have made us too successful, murderous, rapacious
and all the other times, for billions of years, in which no humans were present, and species out-competed other species and gagillions of species went extincted, they ALSO were “too successful”?
Photosynthetic plants are way more successful than humans. Been around a LOT longer and will be here when we are gone. Poisoned the atmosphere with O2 (not CO2), causing a mega-dieoff the likes of which we have never and will never see.
Too successful, then?
Was EVERY instance of millions of too-successfulnesses wrong? Or just the most recent one?
Is that because humans are just animals and also ought to be just animals and are guilty of not trying hard enough to be just animals?
Should stasis have been achieved at some much earlier point, to avoid too much success? Eliminate the human one and you have 9,999,999,999,999 to go. Or is there a particular reason stasis should be achieved right now, these particular conditions?
Yet to be confirmed; I was told earlier this evening that the neighbour who viciously attacked me for telling the truth about The Scorpion and the fake vaccines, the very same neighbour who refused to become informed and got proudly jabbed and whose friends threatened me with physical violence, was taken away by ambulance, suffering from a heart condition.
Note to those who viciously attack me for telling the truth about CO2-induced planetary overheating. There is such a thig as karmic justice.
Thank you, man. THANK you. This was the next planned stop on the journey, and you did it for me again.
First, I will remind you, you were viciously asked in earnest good faith (and what could be more vicious than that?):
–Explain why CO2 trails temperature if it is the CO2
–Explain how the temperature you predict that will be, nevertheless, somehowcaused by CO2 will “melt down” the planet, despite repeated higher temperatures resulting in glaciation?
–Explain how you decide what, if anything, would be to immoral to do to people when Planetary Meltdown is at stake and you presume the people that don’t believe in it are stupid, evil, and deserve whatever they getNow, you’ve already come out with what really matters, which is not CO2, it is:
1. Humans are nothing but animals and should be nothing but animals
2. Agriculture and everything that came from it was BAD
3. Civilization is inherently oppressive. Twisted, Evil. Causes everything to BE evil.
4. All human advancement (within civilization) is simply the progress of humans getting more and more destructive of anything good.
5. You’re all doomed. DOOMED. Everyone and everything you ever knew. DOOMED.So that’s where you’re ACTUALLY arguing from, we’ve established that. Stop pretending “It’s the CO2, it’s the CO2. CO2 isn’t what matters to you, except as it fulfills #5.”
I think we can either add a point 6 – you SHOULD be doomed.
Remember that flurry in the news awhile back, court cases surrounding women trying to get health insurance companies to pay for birth control?
I got in a debate with a guy on Tickerforum about this stuff. It was a weird interaction because no matter what questions I asked, observations I made, there always seemed to be…. “something else” that was the real argument for this guy and he didn’t want to say it.
Eventually we came around to me saying – look, you’ve established you’re a conservative Republican who is against the monolithic welfare state, right? We can agree on that? So somebody has a child they’re not ready for and you stand a good chance of that child being cradle-to-grave on the welfare dole. Cost you as a taxpayer, what, 1 million, 2 million in welfare all told over the course of their life? And a condom costs what?
And think of the knock-on effects. That child the parent is not ready to care for not only is on the dole. They’re going to be more likely to commit crimes – think of just the costs to society in cleaning up graphitti and vandalism – Probably riot 2-3 times over the course of their life. More likely to drag down other students trying to do well in school, more likely to join a gang, more likely to create MORE offspring that in turn are cradle-to-grave welfare recipients – VERY likely to always vote against you, resent you as oppressive, not be grateful that you wanted them to exist.
DEFINITELY not all of them, but a non-negligible number incurring non-negligible costs. So why on earth do you not want health insurance to pay for condoms?
and finally the answer, popping out in frustration:
“But how will they have their punishment??!??!?”
ahhhh. The truth finally comes out. Pregnancy = punishment for morally loose behavior. THANK you sir for coming clean.
Christians have beliefs. Christians believe there is punishment. But they don’t consider their own belief to BE the punishment!!!
YOUR points 1-5 above (with either a modified 5 or additional 6 – you SHOULD be doomed…)
They amount to – you shall have no family, no community, no nation, no culture, no civilization. You shall have no art, no history, no tools, no home, no clothing, no fun, no self-respect, no joy. You should have nothing. You should be nothing. Everything and everyone you ever knew or heard about should have never existed. You should have never existed.
This is sort of the ultimate endpoint in devaluation, a typical tool of Nacissistic Personality Disorder and Cluster-B in general.
This past weekend, when you were saying verbatim “the natural state of humans is naked in the jungle,” you got the most natural, common-sense reaction. Ok, do it.
What was your response? People are being big meanies if they want to take away my living within civilization, using the things of civilization, benefitting from them. But that’s YOU, man. That’s not Big Meanies trying to take stuff away from you, that’s YOU saying it.
Or Borsch took a shot at it, although his tack was more, “I tried and it was too hard.” but he had already said he subscribed to every Jensenite tenet EXCEPT “tear it all down” agreement EXCEPT don’t bother blowing up the hydroelectric dams. AGREEMENT that human’s most natural state is that of a Pleistocene animal. So apparently living in your most natural state is the most difficult thing while living totally at odds with what you are adapted to, meant for, natural to, is easiest. Hm.
And of course that’s when the “it’s the systemic injustice/oppression” started popping up, which I think we will see more of later on in our journey.
But it’s interesting to note that
1. The belief system, all tenets of it that you are recommending to all of us are horribly corrosive and destructive to any human who adopts them
2. That belief system isn’t for YOU, it’s for other people.And apparently that is because it is a punishment. And one reflects how strongly and importantly punishment figures into your values and what we are REALLY arguing about.
about the Injection Which Does Not Vaccinate (TIWDNV)
Bad Lots? – 30%? 20% That seems comforting. People may say maybe I have a chance, maybe my friend, brother, mother, wife, etc have a chance of dodging a bullet — but weren’t 100% of those tested found to have had their circulatory system damaged? 100%?
7% increased danger per shot – errr, pretty sure I saw data showing each booster DOUBLED the risk. What’s this 7%? Again, comforting for sure to think only 7%. Dodged the bullet maybe.
‘Oh the East India Company genocided more than 80 million?’
Yep. An estimated 100 million in North America alone. But could have been as high as 200 million. World total 500 million to 1,000 million.
Look it up.
All you ever seem to do are repeat talking points. As if you were drawing from a laminate binder or something.
Based on the past month of interactions in which what you ACTUALLY cared about was secret, despite being repeatedly asked to say what you were ACTUALLY arguing about, no, I don’t believe you at your word that the East India Company killed a BILLION people.
Your talking points only work for people who have no concept of time, space, matter… logistics. You’re telling, essentially, a quasi-religious story, an anecdote that is supposed to then be taken as “truth” extrapolated across the board.
You asserted that agriculture and everything that came from it was bad, that humans’ MOST NATURAL state was naked in the jungle.
“okay. do it then”
was followed by complaining that living in civilization an using the fruits of civilization are useful, how dare someone else begrudge you this and be big meanies wanting to take it away from you
Dude, that’s YOU. YOU are saying nobody should have any of this #%#^&. You just negated your own argument.
And then you assert East India Company killed a BILLION and tell me to look it up.
Dude, that’s YOU. YOU are saying that happened. YOU were asked for citations. YOU are the one making a rather wild extreme claim. And you wish I would do do the work for you.
Interesting how we went from “it’s the CO2, it’s the heat” to “hey, are you a Jensenite?” <silence>
Oh, ok then I will do a critique of Jensinitism without opposition <suddenly, defense of core Jensenite values>
But look at it, isn’t this a horribly depressing not completely accurate, destructive to humans worldview?
<it’s the inherent systemic oppression>
It’s as if we’re moving forward over a set progression of ideas, isn’t it?
John Day asked “Did you ever get close to “the secret” of the Jensenite organization, or is it like the lines at Disneyland, always just around the next corner?”
Well, we’re in line right now, continuing to make progress towards the end of the line. We’re getting there. Keep going with the systemic oppression- let’s keep that progress going It’s all about human progress.
A mere trifle compared to the activities of the East India Company,
Oh the East India Company genocided more than 80 million?
Citations please
And as an aside on this systemic oppression business, I must say I was quite overjoyed to learn that BLM was proud of being Trained Marxists – finally someone to bring my grievances to.
I’d like to say to them – you people (marxists) stole MY people’s land, murdered them, and enslaved them and sent them to concentration camps. Now that I have some Marxists here available in front of me, I’ll be happy for you to pay me reparations for all the extraction, murder, theft and slavery the Marxists perpetrated on my people.
After all, the marxists moved into the area, took the land, murdered the people, enslaved them. Marxism = murder/extraction/slavery/exploitation. All this tear down the oppressive systems totally oppressed my people (simple farmers not bourgeoise btw) more than anything else could have (it’s a good trick, isn’t it?t)
(with apologies to Noirette, definitely NOT meaning to point a finger at you saying neurotic, all due respect, it’s something I often say to MYSELF as kind of a shorthand reminder)
The difference between the neurotic and the psychotic is that the neurotic KNOWS that 2 + 2 = 4, they just can’t stand that it does.
The USA was, broadly speaking, a vicious colonial enterprise that killed off the natives and allowed the ‘settlers’ to rule the land.
This not-so-ancient history also illustrates the affinity the US has (via various symbiotic relations) for entities, groups, that are attempting to kill off part of their ‘trad’ inhabitants, torture them, oppress them, grab the land / ressources
Europeans bad. Civilization bad.
Europeans oppressive. Civilization intrinsically oppressive, slavery, etc.
The Mongols weren’t European and weren’t civilized. They had no agriculture.
Nevertheless, they are still the #1 single-cause perpetrator of theft, slavery, and murder in all of history.
And the Huns, Avars, etc – also totally uncivilized, non european, behaved the same.
All those “traditional/native/first peoples” were discovered practicing torture of captives, human sacrifice, cannibalism, imperialism, and overshoot across the continent when Europeans arrived. Trade networks of thousands of miles, walled cities bigger than London.
Like, if the Aztecs were next door neighbors to France and could beat them militarily, they wouldn’t have taken their land, enslaved them, used them as human sacrifices?
The Huron, if they lived in Scotland, captured you in combat as an English warrior, wouldn’t have tortured you quite horribly?
The USA was, broadly speaking, a vicious colonial enterprise that killed off the natives
Shall we expand our definition to fit all of humanity? Not just civilization, but humanity oppressive?
Or, reflecting, we might observe that animals also have instances of one species outcompeting and replacing another or expanding into another’s previous habitat. And those expansive animals utilize the resources from the taken area.
Life oppressive?
Seems like there is a fractal quality to the effed-up-ness propagating through our civilization. Like wherever you look, however much you zoom in or out, it’s the same f-ed up ness
You can turn to entertainment and see the same fractals in play. Our Betters doing increasingly stupid, nonsensical, disruptive/destructive things even to their own assets. For “something else” they don’t want to say. Normal people raising common sense objections and getting either a stone wall or gaslit. Did you know, Disney, as a major sub-tactic, said people complaining about Last Jedi were actually Russian Trolls and Bots? I get how it got into their mindset, but, er… wtf?
Anyway, this fed up bored bewildered critique of the Alien franchise could easily be transferred to the vax, ukraine, whatever. Same fractals. Also, the section “what’s so great about the Xenomorph” tracks kinda like what’s so great about sociopaths.
Susmarie108 – thanks for that- I absolutely love the Matthew Sweet and Susanna Hoffs collaborations. So cool they found each other – not a match I would have predicted but works so well.
Incidentally, regarding the Nicks/Buckingham feud, I bet if Fleetwood Mac had stuck with Buckingham and announced “Susanna Hoffs will be filling in for Nicks on our upcoming tour,” she would have come running back in a panic. Hoffs comes off as so sweet and nice to work with, plus she seems to not age at the same pace as the rest of us.
In my awful corporate experience, psychopaths are always a net drain of resources. I’ve experienced many MANY times they messed things up, took up valuable time and energy, made people miserable, got in the way of doing the job, stopped it from being done well. Can’t think of a single time they were (purposely) remotely useful to me. (and surely, if being useful to me were brought up as a goal, they would have been insulted, disgusted, angered, scornful – precisely why, if I used Call Center Jedi Mind Tricks by playing stupid or pretending to be a lesser psycho myself, I could get them to do things they’d refuse to do for valid business reasons.)
I’ve seen many times where they destroyed stuff big and small. Drove away quality individuals, ruined entire 500-person departments, lost 100’s-1000’s of lines of revenue while ruthlessly “getting stuff done.” Various dumb supervisors, managers, and directors over the years. There’s psychopaths ruthlessly gunning for a $1000 pay raise or the right to lord over 7 people with the same evil intensity as if they were trying to take over a company or giant corporation.
No sense of proportion. No sense of their place in things, what they actually should be doing. They have problems with perceiving context. As meaning is an emergent function of context, they cannot apprehend meaning. Which makes them high IQ and retarded.
In Peter Watt’s Starfish, humans are put in an extreme environment. The recruiting is conducted by a psychiatrist/psychologist who specifically selects for personality disorders – in order to be “pre-adapted” to the environment.
Eventually one character observes that sure, you can find someone who is fucked in the head and then train them to work in this extreme environment. But you could also take some super-competent already-trained person and then fuck them in the head. Could work either way.
It could be that initiations from level to level in such a cult would involve mind/personality-warping experiences – immoral, abusive, drug related, etc. As opposed to just a test/filter.
@jb-hb: Did you ever get close to “the secret” of the Jensenite organization, or is it like the lines at Disneyland, always just around the next corner?
haha or like going to IKEA – just LIKE a Disneyland line but with no ride at the end?
@ John Day, Oroboros, WES – I think what I was saying today ties into your discussion as well. Mystery Cult. Different levels of initiation. Each with greater more extreme delineation from the level below, each smugly looking down at the lower level with condescension, working to get into the next level up – better mysteries, greater superiority, more people to be smug downwards at, more debauchery, presumably.
For years I saw commenters on zerohedge saying the marxist stuff and the pedophile satanist stuff is vertically integrated and I thought it was whacko. idunno what actually qualifies as too whacko to consider now in the 2020’s.
I wish I remember the exact event — probably somewhere in the Marius/Sulla Roman era. There was a major battle in which a leader told ALL his cavalry to charge ONLY at the opposing side’s leader, who happened to be leading his cavalry from the front.
Valiant, good for morale, but when you see a wall of (hundreds? Thousands?) guys all coming for YOU, there are only 2 options — you die bravely or run. If you die, your army breaks due to losing its leader. If you run, your army breaks due to the leader turning coward. And indeed he ran and lost the battle.
I would think the Russians have let their opposition know they are being tracked personally and will be nuked personally. It would be amusing if their thousands of nukes are ALL targeted on a personal basis while leaving the rest of us alone.
I appreciate the attention being given to Jensen – and of course, he is now just a synonym for Climate Extinction, Climate Meltdown, Global Warming, Climate Change, Environmentalism, The Green Party, etc. He was fringe thinking when it was first introduced and now it is THE mainstream viewpoint.
Like, all this Jensen stuff is not-very-relevant? A lot of text with mostly distraction? just a weird fringe guy? Says some nice stuff about the environment and gardening sometimes?
1. Humans are nothing but animals and should be nothing but animals
2. Agriculture and everything that came from it was BAD
3. Civilization is inherently oppressive. Twisted, Evil. Causes everything to BE evil.
4. All human advancement (within civilization) is simply the progress of humans getting more and more destructive of anything good.
5. You’re all doomed. DOOMED. Everyone and everything you ever knew. DOOMED.Okay, so you’re just a dumb animal and should be, everything and everyone you ever knew about, all your friends, family members, coworkers, your culture, your society, your civilization AND everyone else’s civilization from ALL of history (writing comes from agriculture…) are all a horrible WRONG against nature, reality itself. The SOURCE of all Wrong, in fact. Deeply, horribly, ashamedly wrong – therefore YOU are also. And you live in and are complicit in nothing but a system of oppression. You should have never been. You, your family, your friends, your culture, your civilization, all shouldn’t be and should never have been. Also you’re completely and totally doomed and deserve it. And we should work to destroy everything and everyone you ever knew or could know actively as well. PS you can get PARTIAL relief from crushing demoralization by agreeing that YOU are definitely oppressed and that oppression defines your existence, being inherent in civilization as it is.
Uh, yes what a WONDERFUL guy Jensen is. Just fantastic. Just trying to help you out. Just tell yourself what nice things he says about nature and gardening. Give him your buy-in and become…. what exactly? What kind of person will emerge from the above paragraph?
Look at Evergreen College. We could all laugh at a weird state college going off the deep end – oh, those fringe people/ideas. All those Marxist ideas that were failure-coping mechanisms in the 1800’s, retrofitted for Our Current Year that killed 150 million in the 20th century, re-labeled, slightly re-applied, caused an entire state college to go nuts, cease to function as an educational institution, and collapse. No worries, right? It only has totally pragmatic-level implications, that’s all.
And then in 2020, it was Evergreen again, but nationwide, worldwide. Evergreening The World was and is far from cost-less.
I think people forgot all the “we must take everything away from them” did NOT start with the pandemic.
Did NOT start with the pandemic.
ALL the same tactics were used on people prior to the pandemic, then were retrofitted – the EXISTING approaches, assumptions, techniques – onto injection compliance. Cancellation, de-personing, de-jobbing, de-homing etc – these were all fully prototyped and then attached to injections that do not vaccinate. It was all already in full swing.
Just like there’s a themed Barbie for everyone — Sportscar Barbie, Surf Barbie, etc – there is a Critical Theory for everything. For every sub group. For environmentalists, peak oilers, and people on the doom-o-sphere in general, there’s Jensinitism. This is the critical theory targeted for you. (and it helps if you don’t identify the thought-leaders that originated it but rather learn item by item, by rote)
The 4-5 week discussion on climate SHOULD have given an object lesson to anyone watching. A couple dozen questions on morality, science, basic common sense, unanswered. Just keep hitting with “it’s the CO2, it’s the CO2” because there isn’t supposed to be understanding or discussion, just training. I’m just supposed to robotically think “it’s the CO2” and stop right there.
When it got too hot in the kitchen, what happened? Too many people at once saying common sense things about the CO2 thing? CO2 levels trailing, temperature charts, past temps and co2 being good for life on earth etc? KEEP TRAINING PEOPLE. Not educating, training. Just switch to “You’re so doomed, everyone is doomed” or “you should be ashamed” or — this weekend, specifically “I am oppressed by the system. You are complicit in a system of oppression. YOU are oppressed”
And since we come at this from the vector of Climate, like, because it was branded Barbie Climate Marxism instead of Barbie Sportscar Marxism, I’m supposed to believe I’m being given some sort of revelation, epiphany? Woah man I get it, it’s like, the SYSTEM. Yaw effing awn.
But we should consider that VARIOUS events – what’s happening to infrastructure (food, power, supply chains etc) the vax, etc – all seem to be predicated on Jensenite principles. It’s not a laughing matter anymore. It seems to be what they actually believe as inarguable. Up near the top of things. Gov/corp/ngo seems to be getting driven by this.
Even the SCREEN NAME says it. Afewknowthetruth? I am an initiate in The Mysteries.
Mystery Cults are often like onions, with layers. One should beware, as one is training people by rote, item by item, as if they were the brute animals they are but ought to become, while one holds The Mysteries secretly to one’s breast — that someone a bit higher up on the chain has The REAL mysteries held tightly to THEIR breast while looking at YOU with your “mysteries” as a dumb animal.
Look at the 5 points above. What will it turn a human being into? What will it turn a society or civilization into? How much of that is guiding major events we discuss here? Quite plausibly a model for why all the insistence on the injection which does not vaccinate, its invention and application, for instance.
Just like when I hear mainstream Democrats who used to care about the working class blithely quoting abstruse retrofitted anti-working class Frankfurt School tenets, I also hear them now blithely quoting rather extreme Jensenite tenets. Blithely without thinking about the implications and without any awareness of where it originated. But nevertheless having their hearts corroded by holding these ideas and the implicit cognitive dissonance. As intended.
This stuff matters. Institutions taking on whacko ideas and implementing them have killed more humans, made more humans miserable, than any other thing ever.
As I pointed out a while ago, with respect to someone who built a dwelling on a remote beach out of driftwood, The Empire of Lies will not allow such things. (He was forcibly evicted and his dwelling was smashed, by order of the Orcs at New Plymouth Deceit and Crime.)
You can purchase a computer and internet service, but not land?
Especially if you are going to build your own shelter and live as a REAL human – as an animal – there’s quite a wide array of options that open up. No need to worry about sewer, water, and electricity lines, no need to worry about job location. The options become way cheaper than a typical prepper-homestead.
This person had their own beachfront property and they tore down his own property on his own land?
I’d think purchasing a cheaper plot of land NOT beachfront property would give a person more land and less visibility for any projects they might want to do.
One of the favourite ploys of trolls who are looking for a stick to beat down people who point out fundamental truths is to declare: “You use a laptop! You use electricity! You use water from a tap! Therefore, you are a hypocrite! If you were true to your values, you would live in a cave and eat worms!”
…but you are using the internet and fossil fueled electricity and a computer to make this counterargument to people arguing that you use a laptop and electricity.
PS it is not a bad practice at all to, after deleting your cookies, x out of every instance of your browser and then pull it back up, to restart it with the cookies gone.
The key seems to be to clear your previous cookies before returning to a given website looking for a lower price. How one does that I have no idea. But I suspect someone will “learn”me very shortly!
ctrl-shift-del typically takes you to the delete cookies/clear internet history option on most browsers
browser add-ons such as Exploding Cookies can do the trick. It automatically deletes the cookies when you leave the site.
I usually have several browsers with different settings for different things. For TAE, zerohedge, etc I’ll usually use Brave, which is why I never see all those ads people are complaining about. It’s also good policy to have one browser for wandering around and one browser that only goes to known website that you use for specific purposes – banking, etc.
D Benton Smith – thank you – I am also just an unemployed call center monkey who went feral due to pacing its room for 2 years while watching the world and my personal world go nuts. And I apologize to anyone I’ve annoyed or been overly argumentative with. Trying to be less feral and will continue to try.
Jenson’s view on man and the environment is too large and too squishy to take on competently.
It makes it super-difficult. Plus, I have found, when engaging with Jensenites, the central, core tenets are kept protected by being secret.
What was it, 4-5 weeks of going round and round, putting WAY too much time, energy and text into Heat and CO2. But Heat and CO2 don’t actually matter. Heat and CO2 are not what the person on the other end of the discussion truly cares about. It was a red herring thrown out for me to expend my energies on. And any castigation of me over the Heat/Co2 battlefield was fully justified by the secret and undisputed real Truth. “I’m still right and I won’t tell you why”
But finally, progress.
1. Agriculture and everything that came after it is bad
2. Humans are just animals, also SHOULD be just animals.All this text over the past few weeks is actually useful now, because it is important to see what the ACTUAL winning, dominant worldview is within this set. It’s important to be aware if people are or are not good faith actors.
Are the ideas they propound weapons in service of unspoken unquestionable beliefs, or is there an honest debate, discussion? One has a right to know whether one is having a struggle session. One has the right to know if the purpose is demoralization or communication.
I saw the Jensenite stuff arrive in a package – a basket, if you will – of concepts that were ALL tools of critical theory. That is to say “we must criticize everything” ie be corrosive, demoralizing, deconstructionist. Use words, language as weapons and a battlefield.
And indeed, I do not see a useful purpose of Jensenitism other than demoralization and “criticism” in the – be corrosive via language if possible, not critical thinking.
So if 8 billion people is bad and we need to get down to 500 million, then would you push a button to “fix” the situation if you could?
And if agriculture and everything after is bad, if you could push a button and fix/prevent all that bad, everything agriculture and thereafter, would you push that button?
Do I need to go round and round in the weeds over weeks to explain how something has gone seriously wrong for you if you would push the button? I think on the face of it, it is evident. But if you “only” believe everything that justifies pushing the button, that’s ok?
This stuff is BAD for human beings. It’s possible something bad was already going on inside that fit nicely with Jensinitism. But it certainly exacerbates any previous issues and firewalls you off from any solutions.
In terms of all the hockey-stick graphs, overshoot, depletion, yes, all the various problems, unless you plan to kill yourself or lay down and die, to some extent, aren’t these subjects all discussed in the sense of SURVIVAL? Otherwise, isn’t it some sort of death cult, waiting for the comet to arrive and then we “go”?
Consider WHAT IS SURVIVAL? If there were a zombie apocalypse, you got bit, and your body continues to shamble around, is still ambulatory, did you survive? If your zombie body practiced permaculture while shambling around, did you survive?
You surviving is the point of survival. Yesterday I tried to answer what’s so great about civilization by citing, generally, where the heart is, where the bird sings. A materialist and pessimist rebuttal was the answer — but that is NOT where your heart is, is it? I suspect there is something intrinsically going on there.
Cormac McCarthy’s The Road is a touchstone for us doomosphere denizens. Well, the characters survive and their survival is meaningful despite all the doom, destruction, and tarps. It certainly isn’t because they believe in man being an animal or being fans of hunter-gathering. There are certain things they will not do. They are still carrying the fire. They survived, did not join, the blood cults. Their survival IS the meaning they didn’t eschew. Look at all that is subtracted and what is actually left.
I think it’s important to recognize this almost certainly isn’t you. It is a parasite. If you’ve deconstructed and devalued everything, then it is time to turn that tool on itself and deconstruct and devalue devaluation and deconstructionism. I think you’ll find it falls apart like a wet paper bag. RECONSIDER the nihilism, postmodernism, deconstructionism, and certain doom. Reconsider your basic presumptions. Experiment with OTHER presumptions. Consider how these parasitic ideas got in and maintained their place – what are the implicit presumptions that underlie THOSE. What’s going on with the crawlspace under the subfloor, like that.
This stuff is BAD for you and may never have been intended as anything other than harmful to you. Considering it’s taken over the entire environmental movement, the Green party, the Democrat party, etc, you’d have to assume it is massively bankrolled, which tells you something right there.
@Antidote – well, apologies. If you let me know any particular problems with my conduct or my takes on any subject, I have enough humility to take it in and mull it over at the very least. It wouldn’t NOT matter to me, even if we totally disagree on everything.
@John Day – I’ll try to come up with a coherent, considerately concise thing on Jensen this weekend or maybe Monday. I’ll read more – as promised to Afewknowthetruth, I’ll keep my ears open – but I’m closing my mouth for the day or perhaps the weekend 🙂
“WTF is so great about civilization?”
You keep living in it and haven’t bought your plane ticket to go live with the K’ung or Pygmies. I see you living in and producing culture that only arises from civilization – the art of living in cities. And all of the values leveled AGAINST civilization are in fact bootstrapped OFF of civilization. Civilization ought to live up to its achieved values EVEN MORE. So die, civilization! haha.
Music, art, poetry, prose, architecture, fine cusine, landscaping/gardening… all the cool stuff arises from agriculture > bureaucracy > complex irrigation > writing > endless super awesome specialization of cool stuff
No more Bach? No more David Bowie? No more Tolstoy? No more Jensen, for that matter? You will pry my copy of Queen II from my cold dead fingers. You first, man.
lol basically We Are All Jensen Now, as far as not just Greens, but the mainstream Left is concerned. He totally won.
I was schooled in him by the LATOC invaders years ago. I dutifully read every post and linked essay, watched every embedded youtube and watched more from referenced channels, all of it. I gave them way, way more than the time of day. I am yawning my way through this stuff being disgorged via the MSM today – nothing new. I feel like Newt listening to the adults planning their defense in Aliens.
The fact that Jensen’s name isn’t a touchstone shouldn’t be surprising — as far as the mainstream Left is concerned, we are all now Marcuseans as well. If I make reference to him or the Frankfurt School to a typical Democrat, they will give me a weird stare due to the totally foreign references. Yet they will recite his precepts as accepted mainstream thinking now.
lol and you’d think, from being on this side of the climate debate, I was a Glenn Beck Republican and not an atheist former Communist sympathizer with Chuang Tzu and Red Pine at my bedside, adopting LED lights ASAP and keeping my house at 61, dreaming of permaculture if I can just get some land. Like, I’m not with Drill Baby Drill, but if Climate Change can’t or won’t articulate its ideas OR insists on some sort of hellish death-ride for the planet, then I am not with them either. I’ve been too repeatedly disillusioned at this point to take their word for it anymore.
