Karpatok
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A very true article describing the present state of affairs in a fascistic regime. But it all goes much deeper. Not meaning at all to be off topic but has there been any explanation at all of the 54 banker “suicides” having taken place here? With no responsible investigation, are we not also complicit there as well? Murder to shut people up is murder nonetheless where ever it occurs. And blind eyes occur on all continents. That is the true nature of American BAU is it not? If the bell rings or has rung, it rings for all of us, is it not so? Whether in Libya, Syria, Ukraine or elsewhere. And our probable next presidentia says, “We Came, We Saw, He Died.” Karpatok
As I said in the most recent post that you have removed, censorship is the bailiwick of a coward. You are showing yourself to be a very irrational and unappealing moderator. Why don’t you use that swelled head of yours to answer whether this is basically an evangelical site? It is not a silly question. It is a very serious question having to do with the intent of the authors? Why should it be censored? What are you afraid of? I think AShvin that the cock has already crowed thrice.
Ashvin P. You are behaving in a very irrational and immature manner. First you had a tantrum and you removed it. Now you are behaving like an asshole. Did your employers feel threatened enough to encourage you to ban me for questioning the agenda of this site? Why would they feel so threatened? And why would you? This kind of censorship implies many unsavory things. For example the allowing of bible thumping like yours but the banning of any conspiracy ideas is certainly the most arbitrary of favoritisms. But then the constant appeal to authority is unsavory in itself.
@Ashvin P. You have removed one of my posts. What do you hope to gain from that? As I said to you, to ask a few questions is not lying. I made no statement. But as I still am asking, are Stoneleigh and Illargi evangelicals like yourself? Because if they are, there is a definite agenda to this website and it puts a whole different slant on things.
Skipbreakfast, I wholeheartedly agree with you and that is not the bone I am picking here. I have never doubted Stoneleigh’s good intentions and as I stated I very much appreciate her presentations over the years.
What is really behind your tizzy fit Ashvin? Do you feel that YOU have been exposed in some way? I merely asked a few questions? I did not make a statement so how can I have lied? If you are so concerned about the well being of the web site and your employers stake why did you turn it into a scripture spouting site? Are all 756 members evangelicals like yourself and looking for that kind of validation and enlightenment? I am still waiting for a reply from Stoneleigh and Illargi. And by the way, I have greatly appreciated the insights and posts over the years. But I find your Bible thwacking very distasteful.
@Ashvin P. You wish to expose me or something about me? Please by all means be my guest. Expose away. And what kind of silly threat is that exactly? Are you some kind of judge and juror in your role of proselytizor ? and it still remains for your employers to answer the question.
@Hircus: I have read everything on this site since the spring of 2008. So unless Stoneleigh and/or Illargi care to clarify what is going on, I will assume something of the above is true.
So are the originators of TAE, Stoneleigh and Illargi, Christian evangelicals like Ashvin? And is the final objective of this website the kind of proselytizing that Ashvin is engaged in? Or rather is it to play on people’s confusion and fear, perhaps to make a living?
Really, I have just been recalling how it was that El Gallinazo left TAE in the first place. If I am not mistaken[and don’t hesitate to tell me I am mistaken, as I know you will surely not,] El G left in regard to an exchange of Emails with Ashvin pertaining to some conspiracy theories which Ashvin did not wish to see “set off alarms here.” In that regard has anyone reading this ever heard the expression,” I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.” So with reference to SkipB’s remarks as well as others,I would like to redraw the map regarding Peter’s post on DD, El G’s ideas and my own lost post.
I am very sorry but I do not believe you. And it has been quite a while since I have had anything to do with those despicable banks that you mention. At this time, I do most everything with cash as that is not only more moral but safer. In addition, unfortunately, not only are we at the mercy of a lying government apparently operating outside of the Constitution, but even websites like this one that purport to be open to free speech revert to conventional taboos and I am not referring to cursing, name calling and other rude behavior. It seems to me that nothing should be beyond discussing intellectually, but of course history proves that over and over not to be the case. Free speech dies first in the event of Fascism, especially when the fascists control the media and terrify everybody else in relation to criticism of the fascists.
I have just had a long reply expunged and evaporated into the aether on the part of probably Illargi since he seems to be the moderator. I do not appreciate this kind of censorship as my reply contained nothing censorius in the way of words or ideas. I do not know what it means to say that your session has expired. I did write a rather long piece and I think it was to the good but obviously the authorities here are very worried about free speech. That is a great disappointment and shows them following historical precedent. So what is the purpose of this blog then if all ideas cannot be expressed? isn’t it just a futile exercise similar to the chance of voting for tweedle dum and tweedle dee?
I thought that I have been reading recently that the return on investment in fracking is not there, due to the low cost of NG. Have I missed something? There is little to be extracted and great expense to extract it even though there’s a littlebit here and a littlebit there after all the hullabaloo about jobs and Drill, Baby Drill. Is,nt it just the equivalent of slicing off all the mountain tops. And it really does poison all the aquafiers. But there also seems to be the problem of getting the credit to back production. What have I missed about this lovely activity?
Vlad the Impaler and his brother Radu were sent to the court of the Sultan in Constantinople to be held as hostages, sort of like collateral, for the tribute that was paid every year to the Turks ad infinitum. While there for many years these royal boys were subjected to endless sodomy sort of in the Afghan way. No wonder then that Vlad made sure to have his eye for an eye when he came to power. He did help Romania to come into being as a tiny state caught between greater powers. He is something of a hero to the Romanians now, as they have never escaped from that position.
And the correct phrase for that responsibility is Noblesse Oblige. When I was young I called it the obligation of the nobles once in a serious discussion with my older sister. It is in the end, the obligation of a person of priviledge to see to the well being of others not so fortunate.It is a serious responsibility that attends one’s position and is not to be taken lightly in time frittered away.
Furthermore, I don’t see how retiring to a sweet permaculture doomstead is going to be change we can all believe in. I don’t believe there is one mastermind genius behind it all either, but I do believe that a relatively few very wealthy, powerful and uncaring evil people have a chokehold on society such that anything less than revolution will not help. The Augean stables need to be turned upside down to wash out the filth and if a few heads roll in the process in the process, that’s just the way it is. Maybe Marie Antoinette was innocent for example, but she kept walking on by and refused to look. So it depends on what you call innocent heads that roll. If ordinary folk are complicit simply for being within the system, then what are the movers and shakers? I want to give them a face so I’ll know to aim at them and not their go betweens.
Sorry, Skip, but I’ve been dropping my Calvinism lately. I’m no victim.But I’m not responsible either, and you are just suggesting that we don’t make a very deep inquiry. I am convinced that what we were taught in school about , democracy, level playing field, raising oneself by one’s own bootstraps, right to vote, personal responsibility, yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda, has been an enormous smokescreen to hide a few ugly realities. So what’s the tabu on talking about the bigger realities? You are also a smart guy. What are you afraid of? And BTW this isn’t Puff the Magic Dragon. Let’s hear your analysis of who is behind debt slavery and usury. If it’s a waste of time for you then you are excused. But I really want to understand the full system if you don’t mind.
OK, RE, granted that you announced the merger of RIT and the Rockefellers over at the kitchen sink at the Diner but isn’t there a little more to it than that? Previous Rothschild consolidation in Europe, and now purchase of 37% of Rockefeller by Rothschild Investment Trust, in order to have a bigger footprint in USA. Does the Vatican still own Bank of America or is that passe already. Come on, these revelations are leaving me breathless in anticipation. Flesh out the broader picture please and in the present time. We don,t have to go back to 1692 and reinvitation of the Userers to jolly old England.
While most writers on the subject seem to be in agreement that every thing is enacted to benefit the banks, I would like to address the ownership of said banks or masters of the puppetry above the scenes. If even the Dimons and Blankfeins, the Obamas, Hollandes, Merkels etc. are second tier or even below, who the hell are we talking about. Who is at the top of this mess. Now Ashvin, Re, you are pretty smart guys, and I know that you have strong opinions. So have a little courage and stop hiding in generalities. NAME SOME NAMES. Because when I become Robespierre, I will want to know who I am sending to the guillotine. No more milkmaids, but the real evil stuff. Now SAY IT! Who are they? Or who do you in all fallibility think THEY ARE?
John Ward on the Slog has reported to day that his sources have told him the prisoners in Greek prisons are receiving no food or rations. That in addition to no medicines, health care, education etc for the regular population. Some people in Athens have created public gardening plots for producing some “free” food. Is Greece the first act to be followed by the rest of Europe and finally the USA? What does it take for a storming of the Bastille?
I fail to understand the true gist of your thrust in this discussion, Dave. Since you are so very liquid as you described, and so eager to work at making the world into what you envision as a better place, are you so closely following the misfortunes of Spain’s developers through your own personal schadenfreude, or do you intend to make a smart killing/investment on those 52cents on the dollar unfinished projects. What is it I detect in your avid analysis following Market watch and all? Are there better buys in Spain than the US. Would that be a good place to buy a second home like the English and others are thinking? Are you a real afficionado of Spanish culture? Would you have ridden to Spain’s rescue during the Civil War as did so many brave Americans helping to resist Franco? Or is this a new interest, following the misfortunes of other countries so closely in the early twenty first century.
Hey, Dave, I wasn’t literally born in the briarpatch at all.But I took to heart the Brer Rabbit story from a very early age and Bambi too. I didn’t know for a very long time how I had been cheated and lied to by Wall ST.They stripped the means to pay for the most part besides what I triaged; and I had paid honorably every penny for a long, long time. So now I’m simply saying, “Disengage from the system”.Truth and honor only count if it is understood that both sides play by those rules. We no longer really have a rule of law in this country based on fair play. I didn’t concur to make this status quo as it now stands, so fugazi the big stinking players. They have made it into a game of survival in the forest and I’ll be damned if I go down without a fight.
So Dave Fairtex et all. Speaking of non student debt, I say God damn don’t pay any of it. Leave, lay low and don’t be known very much. Put what you have sequestered close to your heart, maybe backed up by your 38. Live modestly and carefully. Stand behind others. Don’t give a fucking shyster $3500 to file bk. Why should you? It doesn’t make any sense to pay part when you can’t pay all. They write it off anyway and sell it to zombies. In fact it gets passed from zombie to zombie many times. They try to find you but they can’t because there are millions just like you. They try to call you but you don’t answer and your cell phone company doesn’t have your correct address. Even intellius doesn’t really know. So what if they sue you? Ok, if you do receive a summons you probably should go to court. What can they get? You don’t have anything. You cannot get blood from a stone. They’re going to spend money to lock you up after years have past? Not only are there statutes of limitations, but it costs money to try and find you and take you to court. Flip them the bird, kick them in the balls and chock some more up for deflation. Especially if you were born and bred in the briarpatch.
@Agelbert: Thank you so much. That was somewhat what I had thought.The people there survived the Mongols, Huns, Tatars etc. and as Kaffka wrote about the great wall of China so far from the capitol, so I found the people,Romanian,Hungarian and Roma under Cseaucescu at the end of communism to be carrying on their lives, planting and harvesting, hiding their stores and animals, making music and dancing, and generally practising the same traditions they had had for close to two thousand years. Don’t let them tell you the Romanians were not there all that time,but they were, and they survived the Austro-Hungarian empire as well. Thats where I’ll go if I can get out.
To Golden Oxen: For your information this is NOT a new found love of humanity. I can say with clarity that I have always been concerned as to the effects of my actions on others unlike people like you and Ross.
@ Agelbert:Your post certainly makes a lot of sense. Would you please for my sake address the same strategies as pertaining to the Carpathians in Romania? Thank you.
I feel very much like Ashvin in regard to the protesters, and guilty that I cannot be more supportive of their effort since they are the only ones actually bearing the brunt of resistance rather than gabbing from the sidelines. Not to mention some of the SOBs, such as Ross over on DD, still investing in the system in the worst way while talking out of his ASS.And that would include GO as well, who slithers around in his hypocritical remarks and then takes another lick you know where.
We really don’t have to look for intent on the part of people because nature and Darwinian theory trumps that. It is very probable that millions if not billions of people will be taken out by the growth of super organisms utilizing new combinations of DNA and totally resistant to any antibiotics available today. Moving relatively quickly from a population of carriers of about 100,000,000 or so in India and Pakistan to anyone in contact from the West as described on Bloomberg today, these super combinant organisms are extraordinarily successful in reaching any population with any immune impairment, which would mean any population lacking sufficient nutrition or clean water. No conspiratorial intent necessary, just the workings of the first enemy preceding the development of higher life forms. They were here in the beginning and they may reign in the end until the death of the planet itself. “Just sayin, LOL”.
But how much more eloquently put are the answers of Surly,Ross et al over at DD. What’s significant about this and all such discussions is the defining of the self as good and worthwhile, or those in ones immediate and defined group as good while projecting bad and lack of value on the outsider or other. Only this proclivity makes possible the intentional decimation of other groups and individuals.
Wouldn’t you have to say there is a difference between killing with intent to kill and killing by accident even if the results of both were valued? Afterall there is manslaughter, and then there is murder. I don’t think the early Europeans knew enough about transmission of disease to have purposely carried it out even though they obviously didn’t give a damn how many savages were wiped out. Savages were vermin, just as Vietnamese were, and Japs were, and Afghans are today. My lovely Baptist neighbor thinks its all good because its “War”. I’m sure that so,so Christian Mormon Mitt would think it all good as well.
@Frank Richards: Let me count the ways. SNICKER! I won’t describe the dependence of Australia on China’s importation of all things mined,since RE has pretty well taken care of most of that. In regard to your expletive I was referring to the strong mindset in certain quarters that “human nature” being for the most part described as putting self interest first and that being the ultimate cause of the state we are presently experiencing as against the view that said state has been created by those with that ulterior motive to destroy or plunder others. Against this background, I suddenly saw quite cynically the push for seeking “Alpha” on the part of two leaders seen apriorely as beneficient in their presience. Silly, silly blind me, AGAIN!
There is a rumor being bandied about that Stoneleigh and Illargi are considering moving to Australia. Was that the real reason for the “tour”?This is a fine time to sell into the Canadian real estate market since that bubble has not yet imploded and would probably make paying the Aussie $750000.00 a whole lot easier. And apropos any conversation about “human nature” trumping all, I guess it does make sense to jump the North American sinking ship’ rats or no rats. After all, what is shared experience among a few thousand anxious fans? And where does the greater safety of Australia lie vis a vis the above post? Wasn’t that the scene of Mad Max? Just sayin as the Surly would say.
@ Einhverfr How can you speak so calmly about Afghanistan? Didnt we put and hold the Karzai government in place for our own purposes? Doesnt the CIA run thousnds of flights of opium out of there for its own diabolical purposes such as addicting our own population in the same way we did with the opium wars in China? But that is beside the point hereNot beside the point is addicting our population here in order to fill newly privatized prisons for profit? Do you honestly think the US Gov wants a stable administration in Afghanistan for any reason other than maintaining power and influence in the region. When American soldiers are taught that they can behave as inhumanely as possible to ALL Afghans, being prepared to unleash that inhumanity on us, do you really think that anyone here gives a shit if the Afghan government is inclusive or democratic?
@Einhverfr:Please speak a little more about Afghanistan. Do you mean Karzai manipulated by the Taliban, or the villages submitting to the Taliban, or all around chaos or what? 2. With seventeen to twenty million out of work here or whatever, how will they eat by not serving the corporations in existence? 3. I meant puppetmasters as well as puppets on the Wall St. and administration level.Nu mai este Patria mea! I no longer have money. They took everything in 2008. But I have my heart and mind from a highly privileged life. I have nothing to lose and I will give my life now to pay back.4.Please talk about these alternate structures when we will soon be dying anyway without the means to produce food for instance.Three days of food in the cities, FEMA camps and bullets waiting, truncheons waiting for the OWS on May Day.Citizens disappearing in the manner of the KGB, our very own Gulags prepared for us. How much time until this as against your alternative?
Candace and the others,Thank you for replying and attempting to say something constructive. Candace, I have always appreciated your comments and positive psychology. The thing is, I am extremely angry now that I understand the structure of this society . Yes as someone said before, it cannot be fixed. Yes, we need a revolution. We need a complete change just as the French had in 1789. Yes.bloody. Yes violent.It is either that or complete submission to equal terror. Think Afghanistan,think AbuGherib, think of our own prisons, of what the men from the heartland are turning into, of what we are doing to animals in the drug laboratories,of what the CIA has done to innumerable people struggling to free others and to be free,all to profit those who have our throats in their grip, those who worship only money and power over others. These are EVIL MEN, yes, mostly men,with mainly whores for wives, and they must GO! I mean heads on poles, stakes a la Vlad Tepes.Yes, think us or them. Because they have forced it this way. They will never stop. They or their progenitors have been doing this for hundreds of years.It is the same feudalistic system that is now global. It is run by the same money lenders that Jesus whipped from the Temple. Joined of course by the Vatican and other Illuminati.Read the history. Do the homework. They play both sides against the middle. They backed the Bolsheviks as well as Hitler. They have no ethics or principals. They want only money,power, and as many pawns to die in the process as possible.
Talk Talk Talk! Blah Blah Blah! So many smart ass competitive intellectualizing commentators. Posturings! Passive blatherers. Its coming here people! They are making their preparations for us and against us.What are we going to do to stop it? Take another drink, another drag of meth or crack? Lets talk, lets plan! There is no place to hide in some stupid macho way. There has to be fighting back and not as a passive aggressive tongue clacking bystander. Lets have some real ideas about what can be done besides endlessly observing, observing, commentating and commenting. What is upon us is not going to be VIRTUAL! This is not a fucking Hollywood movie! What the Hell is wrong with we apathetic historically illiterate uneducated Americans?
RE Actually, I am sorry to say, that is not exactly true here in PA where some prisoners are not given their meds, are made to sleep on bare concrete in solitary confinement and are tormented by guards with next to no education and minimal training. Some prisoners have recently committed suicide (or have been murdered by their guardians.) No appeals to wardens, psychiatrists or DOC have been really attended to. Doesnt this fit in nicely with taking out surplus population? Especially in light of privatization of prisons. Better be careful not to wind up in the justice system at all. Stay under the radar until you can actually take some of the one percent out because by then you have nothing to lose!
You are a huge insensitive selfish, self centered, blow hard braggard with next to no respect for the existence of others. You fancy yourself as more intelligent than anybody else, yet filled with hostility and fantasies of violence[knife fights,gun slingers,billions dead and dying] and your strong impetus for disruption and picking fights,you really should disqualify yourself from attempting to enter an arena of temperate and civilized discourse where people of more than fifteen years of age are sincerely communicating and attempting to come to terms with the present realities in the world. Precisely because his is a tempered and controlled passion for justice, expressed with moderate emotion and reason, is Ashvin a good choice here. He has been very patient with you,but I for one wish you would leave TAE until you can truly act 54 in your appreciation of the reality of others.
