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Three excerpts from Thierry Meyssan’s latest post:
Contrary to what I wrote last week based on dispatches from Western and Arab news agencies filtered by Israeli military censorship, Israel’s attack on October 7, 2023 (operation “Al-Aqsa Flood) “) was not perpetrated by Hamas alone. Its triggering was decided by a unitary operation chamber of the entire Palestinian Resistance. Hamas, which is by far the main component, provided the bulk of the troops, but three other groups participated: Islamic Jihad (Sunni and Khomeinist), the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (Marxist) and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-CG).
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In 2023, Iran hosted talks between the region’s various pro-independence forces, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and Hamas. They were held in Beirut (Lebanon) under the presidency of General Ismaïl Qaani, commander of the al-Quds brigades of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. Their aim was to reconcile these actors who had fought a ferocious war in Gaza, then in Syria. These meetings were made public in May 2023. On this occasion the Lebanese press discussed the preparation of the unitary operation which was carried out on October 7. Iran is therefore responsible for reconciling the Palestinian factions.
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On October 5, the CIA warned the Mossad of a major operation by the United Palestinian Resistance. The United States was worried about its scale. However, according to the New York Times, the CIA reports (September 28 and October 5), still classified, did not mention the use of new combat techniques by the Palestinian Resistance. Israeli intelligence services then held a meeting to assess the threat. The Shin Bet (counterespionage) and Amman (military intelligence) participated.
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NoiretteParticipantOn EU state’s most popular party wants Israeli ambassador expelled. top post.
Re. Ireland. It is not a member of NATO. Neutral in WW2 (could not be on the side of GB, though many individuals joined on that side.)
IR was, is, a keen adherent in the EU, as that represented (imho) belonging somehow to a larger entity.
Of course EU funds and the EU tolerance of exceptionalism re. tax laws, etc. were activated to give Ireland a ‘boost’ if I may call it that helped that adherence along. — Not to mention it created a foothold into the EU with plentiful educated English speakers for hire by Big US Corps like Apple.
Plus, N. I. (GB) vs. Repub. IR conflict was ugly (Peace and Democracy are European values, cheers all round) and had to be stopped or at least contained. (> Blair, Good Friday Agreement.)
Now, inevitably in a way, GB out of the EU, and Ireland keenly in, the calculation comes to a kind of clumsy fruition.
Idk – I’d like to go there and see, talk.
IR was extremely COV19 repressive (as reported by MSM, I have no direct experience) and pro-jibby-jab, right in line with EU endorsement of Big Corps, and other ‘developed’ eng-speaking ‘developed’ countries like Australia and NZ.
Yet, IR retains support and sympathy for oppressed ppls, such as the Palestinians, via Sinn Fein, a ‘nationalist’, ‘for the people party’…
https://vote.sinnfein.ie -> first time I looked at this site – hmmm.
Clare Daly is pretty good.. at the EU parliament. Here just 1 min.
NoiretteParticipantLooking to S. America:
Nov. 2, 2003. UN votes overwhelmingly to condemn US economic embargo on Cuba for 31st year and urge its lifting
“The vote was 187 in favor, with the United States and Israel opposed, and Ukraine abstaining. Somalia, Venezuela and Moldova didn’t vote.”
Non-binding resolutions are a kind of ‘poll’, a thermometer of the zeitgeist.
NoiretteParticipantOn ‘Deeper into Depravity’, Patrick Lawrence, 1st link at top post.
This kind of Tik Tok (and other ..?) hate and mockery is rampant, maybe even somehow inevitable.
Israelis (not all …) loathe Palestinians, as animals, vermin to be exterminated, etc.
USuk and the ‘Collective West’ follows along while making mealy-mouthed statement about empty principles or ‘what-about-ism’ etc. > The rules based order, the right to defend oneself, terrorists and evil impersonated vs. innocent victims, lovely children, etc. etc.
So USuk-W, in about 100 or more years, has switched from vilifying Jews as an evil cancer on civilized ‘Society’ (concentration camps, etc.) to stigmatising Arabs / Muslims as ‘aliens’, ‘not quite real ppl’, ‘terrorists,’ though blame is thrown on ‘leaders’ or ‘regimes’ which ostensibly ‘excuses’ the poor oppressed ppl as ignorant, helpless, struggling, and so forth.
Divide to Rule leads to vilification, hatred, prejudice, murderous impulses, spiking anger, war, and acceptance of torture, blanket bombing (Gaza today), etc.
Deliberatly engineered imho.To keep one brand of Hegemony enduring.
NoiretteParticipantre. prev. thread.
kultsommer, yes to “more bold” (media).
Wes, great you are taking my advice about going to concerts seriously!
ha ha 🙂
Cont’d. Besides the Las Vegas shooting, 59 or so dead, in 2015 at the Bataclan in Paris the Eagles of Death Metal were performing, 90 ppl were killed. In England, 2017, the Ariana Grande Concert, 22 ppl died. Wounded not included, many.
The Gvmts, the PTB, Big Corps, the MSM, are uninterested in ‘solving’ these mass murders, they are swept under a carpet. Maybe victim families are paid off in some way, idk.
NoiretteParticipantIsrael compiled ‘ethnic cleansing’ plan for Gaza.
“A document leaked to the Sicha Mekomit news site calls on the government to relocate the entire population of Gaza to the Sinai.”
RT. https://www.rt.com/news/586197-israel-gaza-population-removal/.
Not flash news, but MSM (even if on RT) is significant.
NoiretteParticipantWiki, on the ‘Trance’ – Supernova Sukkot Gathering – music festival, 7 Oct. 2023:
The organizers switched to the site only two days before, after the original location in southern Israel did not work out. (Israel)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re%27im_music_festival_massacre
Very strange for a big festival – 2 days?
I was reminded of the Las Vegas shooting at the Harvest Music Festival 2017, the deadliest mass shooting in recent history in the USA, supposedly carried out by lone nut Stephen Paddock (> total BS), and not elucidated to this day, buried.
Just my musings not pointed to any plot in particular, exept that Music Festivals provide an easy oppo for cheaply killing many, usually youngish middle class / rich ppl, in an easy to control way.
NoiretteParticipantThe French MSM (Le Figaro) has published an article reporting the ex-PM of Israel, Yair Lapid, saying (on X-Twitter, amongst others) that he personally issued a warning on 20 Sept. about upcoming extreme violence by Hamas, following info he had obtained.
That the docs / info he received were also sent to Bibi N.
Is repeated in the article that Cairo warned Bibi N. several times, and was ignored. Lapid also blasts Bibi N. for blaming the army and the SS (heh, that is Secret Service or Infor. services) in part, for the Hamas attack (8 oct.) Bibi N. hysterically denied these accusations and apologised to the army and SS for being out of line in critisising them.
In F: https://tinyurl.com/ywwbxwnf
It looks like the pro-Isr. narrative is cracking a little, in poodle USuk supporters like France.
I don’t think comparisons between the Hamas attack and 9/11 are of much use (as posted before, while I understand how they come about) yet it is clear that the F MSM is now OK with a “he let it happen on purpose” scenario, which was a common meme or trope re. 9/11.
NoiretteParticipantUKR + ISR ‘wars’
Listened to some commentators such as Col. McGregor, Scott Ritter, Berletic, some other posted in last thread, plus some bloogers (sic. that was a real typo, I was thinking about blood ..?), waltzing around two main interpretations:
1. The US is rudderless, is reactive instead of pro-active, is acting on ‘emotions’, hasn’t measured consequences of its actions, has no clear strategic plans in function of any aims, is living in the world of 1991, can’t possibly fight a war against Iran / Russia / fill it in…etc.
An explanatory variant is: The US PTB are in conflict (ex. neo-con-lib pols against saner heads at the Pentagon..) An over-arching picture is a flight into crazed agression, evident via at-home social degradation, societal breakdown, due to loss of empire / power / control / revenues, etc.
2. The US is just fakey pussy-footing around and escalating each time it can, it has calibrated its actions to lead to the inevitable use of nuclear weapons, the Elites reckon they can survive, WW3 with nukes is upon us. This is the last chance for the US to maintain dominance. (Distilled that pov down to crude basics.)
What are any other povs, analyses, takes?
NoiretteParticipantBrian Berletic and Angelo Giuliano on the state of the world today put forward arguments that paint Israel as a mini-state, with ‘Jews’ and Zionists (making it short) as victims, via the history of setting it up by USuk as a postage stamp patch that would serve as a beach head or aircraft carrier (see one contemporary US pol), be a spear-head against the oil-rich various ‘Arab’ or other (Iran..) states. Failing conquest, the impulse to blow up, rendering the territory useless for all, and killing millions, is strong. More of course in the talk.
Oct 27, 2003. 2 hours.
NoiretteParticipantAbout the vid. at top Head of the Snake with dramatic blaming of a town in CH, Geneva, by Pascal Najadi.
Some context, see:
Najadi is being treated post ‘Pfizer bio-weapon injections’, says he is terminally ill with auto-immune disease (his mother as well…)
So here we have a Bankster, and movie producer, who was fooled into getting jabbed, and allegedly forced the resignation of the President of the Swiss Federal Council.
The video below shows Andrew Bridgen with Najadi, less than 2 mins, Aug. 2023.
Wiki on Najadi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal_Najadi
Interesting times in CH.
NoiretteParticipantAnother back to the Past..
A disastrous dead end: the Geneva Accord.
quote (…) Because of the Oslo process, the basis for a viable and minimally fair two-state solution has been completely destroyed. The Israeli “peace camp” and the Palestinian leadership ought to have learned from the calamities they helped bring about and changed their ways. The so-called “Geneva Accord,” an informal agreement prepared by Israelis, led by former Labor Justice Minister Yossi Beilin and other Oslo-era luminaries, and Palestinians close to Yasser Arafat, demonstrates a determination to repeat the tragic errors of the past. (…)
Electronic Intifada, Oct. 2003.
https://electronicintifada.net/content/disastrous-dead-end-geneva-accord/4847
Imho. A 2-state solution was never viable or even serioiusly envisaged by any of the PTB, it was used as sound-sweet fig-leaf in various pol discourses.
NoiretteParticipantRe. top post article Oct. 23. https://tinyurl.com/2p8y7rb5
The Joint ‘W’ statement emphasising the right of Isr. to defend itself against terrorism, and urging it to adhere to int’l law (what a joke), calling for the release of hostages (in fact a minor point, a few hostages in a situation of mass bombing, killing, is trivial .. and Isr. has even refused to accept the return of some hostages – according to some news – the fog of war, so idk..)
As for celebrating the entry of some humanit. aid into Gaza, 10, 20 – 100 or 1000 trucks are completely irrelevant.
2 + million ppl corrralled into a territory where needed inputs, water, food, fuel, all other supplies, are controlled by an outside power who cuts it off, will not be affected at all by the delivery of some baskets of cake mixes, canned tomatoes, corn, beans, band-aids, clothes, diapers, anti-biotics, etc. Cookies come to mind.
Plus. Under bombing, transport can’t be implemented, rubble? Displaced ppl, ppl hiding, seeking shelter, seeking to escape, can’t cook up cake-mixes, right? Children with a leg blasted off don’t need antibiotics if the hopital can’t take them in and treat them…etc.
Guardian 21 Oct. 2023:
The Israeli government has demanded to see proof that the aid deliveries are not seized or diverted by Hamas, before authorising further deliveries. A UN official said on Saturday that “verification procedures are still under discussion.”
USuk + Canada, 3 of the 5 eyes, rightio. The 3 ‘main’ countries of the European Union, France, Germany and Italy, are supporting Israel as lackey bowing down to the US. Not news, how to illustrate, explain, long story.
NoiretteParticipantheh, tinfoilhatted that is a good question -> 🙂 Idk.
John Helmer (not specially a fan, me) lays out Hamas objectives, Oct. 2023, maybe makes some points, quote:
1. Since 1943 the US and its European allies, including Germany (Olaf Scholz’s government, not Adolf Hitler’s), have aimed to liquidate the secular nationalist Arab leadership capable of co-existence with the West and a state for the Jewish people.
2. In Palestine Hamas has studied seventy-five years of lessons on the impossibility of coordinating Arab state war in the defence of the Palestine part of the two-state solution.
3. For more than a year, therefore, Hamas has prepared in well-kept secret an offensive against Israel to achieve five objectives – the first to demonstrate how inferior the Israeli military is, how vulnerable, how incompetent their intelligence on the Arab world. This has been achieved by the initial attack of October 7.
4 . The second Hamas objective has been to demonstrate the Israeli plan of ethnic cleansing of Gaza, genocide against the Arabs, and incorporation of all Israeli-occupied territories in a single theocratic Zionist state — Quod erat demonstrandum. The third objective is to hold out against the expected Israeli counterattack for long enough to activate the Hezbollah forces on the northern Lebanon front; Syrian and Iranian forces on the eastern Golan front; and the West Bank Palestinians, including the Jordanian Palestinians; the latter’s targets will be US air and armoured land force bases in Jordan. So far, so good.
5. The final Hamas objectives are to compel the vacillating sheikhdoms to resist US pressure; limit oil and gas supplies to the enemy markets; prevent regional land base and air transit rights being activated in support of Israel — so far, so good. And lastly, the fifth objective, to engage the friendly nuclear powers – Russia, China – to deter, and if necessary combat US forces in the region and Israel’s threat to fire its nuclear weapons.
MEMO ON THE FINAL SOLUTION FOR ONE STATE – ISRAEL OR PALESTINE
NoiretteParticipantSorry, I did not intend for that mega pic to show up 🙁
NoiretteParticipantAlastair Crooke on NEW RULES (> some good interviews, see also of Michael Hudson) Oct. 2023, 48 mins.
Israel-Palestine War: US Faces Catastrophe in Middle East.
Crooke describes a division in Isr. Politics, detailing some rifts in ethnicity/religion, interesting. Idk enough about this aspect to comment on it.
He says that a French Diplomat communicated a message to Hezbollah, stating that if the Hezb. attacks – opens up a Northern Front, Isr. and the US will attack Damascus and take out Assad.
Seems very credible to me. There are so many things going on behind the scenes, and so few clues…we are in a guessing game.
Dr D. – that was epic.
NoiretteParticipantUS forced Ukraine to reject peace with Russia – ex-German chancellor
“Gerhard Schroeder has claimed that Washington blocked Kiev from a March 2022 settlement that could have ended the bloodshed.”
21 Oct, 2023, RT.
https://www.rt.com/news/585491-german-ex-chancellor-says-us-blocked-ukraine-peace/
NoiretteParticipantOroboros, prev. thread, thx for the chart on ‘lobbying industries’ in the US, showing big Pharma in first place. link again:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8bMECNXMAElHMA?format=jpg&name=small
I suspect the same applies in some European countries, have not chased up the numbers (takes too long.. difficult..)
Of course the ‘investment’ in ‘health’ -> aka curing sickness and avoiding death for some time – is fantastico, because ppl will pay for their loved ones, or themselves, to be cured, helped, to live on, to be healthy, happy, for some time, to the point of bankruptcy / dire poverty / not one dime left, for those who pay.
Now for an anecdote. When Obama was setting up Obi-Care, a US delegation was sent to CH to understand, wow! how a country managed to have completely private health care thru insurance.
CH was flattered, and the Health Min of the time was super pleased: -Oh-Obama-wonderful, etc.
When, on day 2 or 3, the delegation understood that this system ‘worked’ because the tariffs for all medical acts….
incl. supports – e.g. a cane, wheel chair, machine support – therapy of any kind, incl. psychotherapy – ALL medicines, drugs, bandages, vaccines, other aids, etc. – outside prof. services such as lab analyses, scans, – etc.
– that might be billed to individuals was fixed by an inter-Gvmt-Health Prof-citizen committee, and that was what the Insurance (private insurance) would pay.
TARMED, the list of the fixed prices, has more than 4,000 entries, that price will be re-imbursed by Insurance Cos (who are also tightly controlled by the Gvmt). So all private Med. entities, docs, analytic labs, hospitals, etc. must apply those tariffs to get their money.
To come back to the Obiman Delegation, once they grasped the ‘fixed price’ aspect, they upped and left immediately with some lame excuse.
link to tarmed in F, for ref. and to show the complexity.
NoiretteParticipantPiers Morgan “Uncensored”, interviews Bassem Youssef (an Egyptian comedian, wiki below) on ‘Isr-Hamas-war.’ 33 mins.
There isn’t much comedy or parody, Youssef just makes some points (how to joke about such awful happenings?) after some pointed fakey exagerations (e.g. his wife uses his children as human shields so he can’t ‘take her out.’)
At time of posting this vid had 81K comments on YouTube. Amazing.
NoiretteParticipant@ citizenx, right on!
“I think the wheels are finally coming off the Empires bus”
Yes .. that is my thought / hope as well .. I’m afraid though it will cost a lot in lives, and the final outcome is unpredictable.
NoiretteParticipantEchoing I. Bellara, link at top post, Spanish Min. of Social Rights (Podemos Party – they have also achieved some possibly positive changes in Spain) demanding Netanyahoo be indicted by the ICC (which won’t happen, other story):
Varadkar, Ireland’s Taoisach, Irish Times, Oct 12, 2023.
Varadkar accuses Israeli government of breaching international law in Gaza siege
Huff post, Oct 13, 2003.
Leo Varadkar Issues Warning To Israel Over Gaza Air Strikes…..“Israel has the right to defend itself, but Israel doesn’t have the right to do wrong…”
Clare Daly, Irish MEP, here in a short clip, 16 Oct. 2023. (Note the Parliament in empty.)
NoiretteParticipantphonenixvoice, yes, maybe for a while, but not in the long run…
NoiretteParticipantUNWRA
here their flash appeal, front page, for GAZA, today
UNWRA is the UN agency that has between 30 – 40 K employees. Almost all of them are Palestinians, they are teachers, doctors, technicians, nurses, builders, specialists in this or that (waste disposal for ex.), and so on, paid to keep the refugees alive. One salary of course covers, serves, Idk, but for sure at least 2-6 other family members, and the services keep others alive.
UNWRA. Services are available to all registered Palestine refugees living in its area of operations who need assistance. When UNRWA began operations in 1950, it was responding to the needs of about 700,000 Palestinian refugees. By 2019, some 5.6 million people were registered as eligible for UNRWA services.
The wiki isn’t tops but best I could find for a short text.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNRWA
One has to realise that for ex. in Gaza, it isn’t possible to ‘work’ to ‘earn money’ – it is a prison camp, and the prisoners are paid for by ‘donators’ (like tax-payers in the US) for them to be locked up, fed, etc. UNRWA fulfills that mission. The money comes from donations to the UN, mostly from the US and the EU, plus Arab states.
NoiretteParticipantThanks for the vid. of Shahid Bolsen. I never heard / read someone being so clear about Isr. / US relations in brief vid/text before.
(He leaves out the European vassals like Germany and France, and relations with Iran (…) for ex. OK…)
I agree with him in the main, minor points aren’t worth bringing up.
I have taken a lot of flack in my life from my teenage years for supporting Palestinians. I remember at age 13 I read in a newspaper that some movie star supported ‘the Palestinian cause’ and that gave me courage.
The two-state solution has always been a kind of fakey fig-leaf touted from the US/West, sounding rational, etc. For 60 plus years nobody in the US – W / Isr / other has made any effort to implement it, as it is *agreed upon* that Palestinians can never have an ‘own’ state.
In any case the territory is too small, too checkered and patchy, too ressource poor (gas fields off the Gaza strip – other story), too dependent on outside funding. Isr: from the US. Gaza: from UNWRA, int’l community.
NoiretteParticipantre. language issue, Ukraine, meme: “Nobody speaks Ukrainian.”
When the Donesk, Lugansk Oblasts split from Ukr-Kiev, 2014, one of the first things they did, in the space of a very few months, was to align the educational system (roughly, 6 -14 + years) with the Russian one. They up-ended the curriculum, changed the marking system to the Russian one – the aim was for children, later young ppl, to be able to qualify automatically to enter all schools (primary, high school, vocational, Uni..) in Russia.
Russia supported this effort and sent some financial support (afaik not tremendous ..?) but school books aplenty. This has worked out, the Russian ‘acceptance’ is automatic.
Ukr. post 1990, had a very peculiar basic edu. system. Parents could choose if they wanted their children to be educated in Russian or Ukrainian, with Ukr. naturally always being a ‘nationalistic’ choice. Anyway this meant that teachers either taught in one or the other lang. incl. say for math lessons, gym..
Basically, language was used as a ‘ethnic – political’ marker. Very bad…
In the D + L , teachers in or ‘of’ Ukranian were re-cycled, not fired. As the no. of pupils who wanted Ukr. education dropped, everyone just switched to Russian.
Naturally, this is a very broad summary.
NoiretteParticipantIn prev. thread J. Day posted Sy Hersch’s ‘take’ on current Pal-Isr ‘war.’
Following on, re. Hamas:
Haaretz. June 2019.
Mossad Chief Yossi Cohen visited Doha on February 5 in order to ensure Qatar continues its financial aid policy to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.
https://tinyurl.com/mtbkyrre (internet archive)
Haaretz. June 2021.
Hamas Warns Israel: If Qatari Money Not Let In, We’ll Renew Gaza Border Protests
(only the beginning is visible, pay wall)
Jerusalem Post. October 2021.
Hamas has secret foreign investments worth hundreds of millions – report.
‘Intelligence information indicates that from the early 2000s until 2018, Hamas controlled some 40 commercial companies in Turkey, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Algeria and Sudan, Double Cheque reported.’
(Hype yet interesting)
The Times of Israel. June 2021.
Former Mossad chief says Qatari payments to Hamas got ‘out of control’
‘Former Mossad chief Yossi Cohen suggested on Monday that it was a mistake to rely on Qatari funds in an effort to bring calm to the Gaza Strip.’
Back to the past, the Intercept, in 2018…
‘But did you also know that Hamas — which is an Arabic acronym for “Islamic Resistance Movement” — would probably not exist today were it not for the Jewish state? That the Israelis helped turn a bunch of fringe Palestinian Islamists in the late 1970s into one of the world’s most notorious militant groups? That Hamas is blowback?’
Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to Bombing It
NoiretteParticipantListened to Brian Berletic and his friend Angelo. (John Day mentioned this vid in prev. thread.)
They see Hamas as a ‘radical group’ similar to the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Quaida, ISIS, Azov battalion, etc. i.e. as, in some *important* measure, set up, encouraged, funded, directed and piloted by the US. (I would call that USuk, specially in the case of Israel.)Hamas, in short, is acting with extreme violence to provoke Israel into all-out war in Gaza (don’t remember right now what they say about the W bank, not much in any case) so that Isr. kills off the Pals there and takes that mini strip of territory, finally achieving part of its ‘aims’…
In this vid, and in many other ‘analyses’, the Hamas attack is seen as a ‘version of’ 9/11, the pundits seeing 9/11 either as a false flag, or as ‘real’, no matter (which is odd), it serves to justify a horrendous counter-reaction. I posted previous, it was quite different, though of course there are similarities. Say, a few false reports of babies murdered, women raped (note, not on 9/11), real reports of women and children killed, here we have unlucky ravers, and many dead, used to justify an all out genocidal attack on a whole area, a whole ppl, etc. (Note, 14K mostly civilians many women and children killed in the Donbass don’t count..)
The New Atlas. https://tinyurl.com/2kuc8es9
I listened to the G. Diesen, Alistair Crooke, A. Mercouris vid. While doing cooking, maybe I missed some points, nuances.
Crooke gives a summary of actions at the Al-Asqa Mosque, going back to the first Indifada. Plus his contacts with the Sharon Gvmt. at the time. He elevates it to a vitally symbolic site (rightly so, but what is the weight?), and points out that just recently 800 radical settlers stormed the Mosque. (Looking into that I saw many reports that said, fake news.)
One interesting remark, he reports that Sharon said when America (US) is weak, we can establish Israel on Israeli land (trad. land includes the W bank, etc.) 1H. 20 mins. I listened to about 3/4.
The Duran. https://tinyurl.com/5bfpncjc
The implication (as I interpret + amplify it..) is that USuk loved and gifted their outpost Isr., manipulated it into hating Ayrabs / Muslims (funding will do the job), creating a divided, ‘apartheid’ society, always in ‘tension’ and ‘opposition, hate’, thus both parties are easily manipulated, and one (or another) can be spear-headed to act in one or another direction.
Mearsheimer gives a different slant on history of Isr-Arab relations. 12 Oct. 26 mins w. Judge Napolitano.
History of Isr. is like a Roscharch test, pick and choose, anything goes.
NoiretteParticipantMacron has stamped VERBOTEN on pro-Palestine demos. Some are taking place nonetheless. These demos are reminiscent of the Gilets Jaunes, in the noise, cries, methods used by the ppl and the POLICE. While the GJ demos were repressed, viciously I might add, the demos were not illegal, as they were run by F workers and pertained to internal matters. 3 mins, in F, “We are all Palestinians” is the slogan adopted.
NoiretteParticipantI had a terrible feeling when Hamas attacked Isr. What good would come of it, the only hope (as I posted before) would be to draw in others (Hezbollah, Iran, possibly Turkey..)
Paul Craig Roberts (top post) *speculates* that Hamas was spurred – infiltrated – manipulated to attack viciously, thus providing an excuse for Isr. and Net-yahoo to finish off the Pal. problem via whatever means, taking territory, killing off the natives, etc.
PCR makes an analogy with 9/11 (security services / intell / etc. ‘stood down’, in a typical false flag) but that is not a good comparison. 9/11 was a devastating attack (ppl died, yes, horrible) run by a small-ish Kabal who risked nothing. (Narrativ Kontrol.)
Hamas fighters – thousands, all motivated, can’t be compared to 19 shadowy mythical figures with box-cutters on hand.
Note, killing ppl via far-off (as seen on TV) explosion / demolition / air-plane downings, all of which can be ‘manipulated’ in the official accounts and news, is not comparable to going out on the street and murdering civilians, women and children, leaving their bodies on the ground, and taking hostages, threatening to cut their heads off.
The former is movie-like, meme-prepared since a long time, it is distant, yet horrific it is felt, ppl’s hearts and minds are affected.
The relatives of the dead… looked insincere to me at the time, but who knows…
link no. 1 top of Goog ABC news, pay-offs to families of 9/11:
9/11 Families, Except One, Receive Over $7 Billion
Aug. 2011. https://tinyurl.com/2bvuxpce
PCR (ok! a short post) doesn’t mention that the diversion of attention away from the investment, funding, commitment, etc. to Zelensky as the installed puppet in UKR, by an attack on the Most Holy Israel supported endlessly by the ‘Collective West’ – > is working fine with the MSM in concert…
NoiretteParticipantOroboros, that painting supposedly by Rothko announced as sold for 46 Million Dollaris doesn’t resemble Rothko paintings at all, imho it is a shoddy, even in-your-face ‘fake’, or let’s say a *pastiche* to be … hmm hmm nods head with high brows, mild —> following that all up would take too much energy.
Yes, the art-world is a vehicle for ‘legal looking’ financial shenanigans, in a huge way.
Note the crude yellow and bright blue (neither typical of Rothko), kind of clashing, not melding or complimentary in color, disposition – are an inversion of the Ukrainian Flag.
NoiretteParticipantAbout Israel, the Palestinians on their own cannot prevail.
The question is, who will join, support, them? Or, what other plots exist, what are the for-now unknown plans that might have been set up? Hezbollah, Hamas, Jihadists? Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Egypt? A mix, what?
For now what I’m *guessing* -> it doesn’t look good for the Palestinians (I’m on their side…) No ‘big power’ or ‘force’ will go out on a limb. Not now. (Imho.)
One effect will be to focus attention on the ME (USukisr vs. ‘Ayrab terrorists’) and the endless Isr-Arab fights drawing attention, funding, support away from Ukraine, which will serve to cover up the fact that US-NATO-UKRo fascists have lost to Russia and that the loss is irrevocable and Russia will dictate the terms of the settlement, after more attrition war, which will last as long as they plan.
NoiretteParticipanterror – Sept. 2003 => 2023
NoiretteParticipantre. prev. thread. —
J. Dore, mentioned several times (Dr D. ..) was invited to speak at the last UN Security Council, Sept. 2003. (via virtual link.)
Here he is, his speech is about Nordstream 2, he references Seymour Hersch, speaks about energy. 12 mins.
Danny Haiphong (you-tuber) spoke at the UN security council on NATO’s UKraine aid, Aug. 2023. 12 mins.
He was physically present, had a well prepared speech. His words: “I spoke at the latest convening of the UN Security Council on the dangers that Western arms to Ukraine poses to international peace and stability.”
What the opening of UN SC to outsiders like this means Idk for now.
NoiretteParticipantJohn Day thanks for keeping us up with Simplicius etc. You posted,
Alain Soral, F + CH national, has been condemned about 20 times in France for ‘anti-semitism’ and other ‘speech’, ‘incitement to hatred’ etc. violations. (No physical violence). After many court cases, appeals, costing a bomb, etc. he moved to CH, to escape prison in F.
The Swiss case has been complicated as all such cases are. Imho the ‘speech’ veered between ‘insult’ (e.g. “you are a fat lesbian pig” is merely an insult in Swiss law) and incitement to hatred (“you are a … and all your kind deserves being locked up, sent away or worse”) which can fall under ‘incitement to hatred’, which btw is a very new law in CH (2020.)
CH resisted implementing such laws for a long time. This is the first time the law has lead to a condemnation. (! – Soral is perceived as a horrid evil creature, an internal enemy of France, etc.) Of course this is all BS and dancing around.
Soral used to be a darling of the F intellegentsia, is an intellectual who has published several books, dabbled in film, regularly appeared on MSM TV, etc. Politcally, he has been a Communist AND a National Front supporter, i.e. refuses to embrace the neo-liberal center. …wiki in Eng gives some flavor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Soral
an extract:
— In his book, Vers la féminisation? Démontage d’un complot antidémocratique, Alain Soral argues that women have always worked (in trade or agriculture, for example), and that housewives were mis-sold the idea of having their own careers by neoliberal capitalists. To him, feminism was invented by rich women and results in poor women working double “8 hours in the home and 8 hours at work” and would be better off just working in the home. Soral distinguishes two types of feminism: that of the “flippées” (“freaked-outs”), and that of the “pétasses” (“bitches”). Soral claims that the most problematic inequality is not between men and women, but between rich and poor, and that feminists, who generally come from the upper classes of society, attempt to distract attention from this struggle.
His ‘group’ is called – Egalité et Réconciliation – hugely popular.
Now this may seem like trivial local news from vassal countries to Americans, but it is very emblematic of what is going on around the world. ‘Law – fare’ on trivial issues is used to silence and eliminate adversaries.
NoiretteParticipantUS is militarizing Ukraine to invade Russia.
Sergei Glazyev speaks,
June 2014. Vid. 11 mins. Eng subs.
well worth a watch.
NoiretteParticipantSome keen classical music fans went to the Ambronay Music Festival (France), and were devastated when the main star, Baritone, whom they knew personally and admired, collapsed on stage in the middle of the performance, was shortly thereafter pronounced deceased.
They described to me (viva voce, in person, over dinner) the tragedy, the closing down of the show, the tweets, the reactions of the Soprano Lady, who freaked out, other performers, the audience’s leaving, and so on. One noted that the Baritone was playing the role of GOD / An Elder, and saw some symbolic significance there.
Nothing was said about the cause of death, there were no questions about why this Baritone died, he just collapsed! Horrific! So Terribly Sad!
News report eng.
(> … these kinds of deaths are now totally accepted as natural)
NoiretteParticipantOroboros posted: The Medium is the Message…
from, Book, by Marshall McLuhan, 1964.
PDF. Understanding Media, the Extensions of Man (full text, free.)
https://designopendata.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/understanding-media-mcluhan.pdf
NoiretteParticipantUSA. Biotech defense spending, venture capital (VC)…
The scale of potential investment is enormous. “The White House Office of Science and Technology Policy estimates that it would cost only $24 billion to develop prototype vaccines for all 26 known viral families, so private capital can certainly foot even more of that bill,” Javaheri added.
https://pitchbook.com/news/articles/biotechnology-defense-tech-military-vc
Graph shows that VC invested in Defense, in the merry-go-round shunting dollaris between Gvmt/Pols – lobbies – Defense Spending – MIC – other, is concentrating on areas that are:
Illusory (renewable energy 1), Impossible to scale (sensing..), seem to be used for nefarious purposes (bio-tech 2), advances in computing, AI etc. 3.
The advanced materials, semi-conductors +, and ‘defense specific’ share is small.
Man triumphs over Nature, “we” decide, even at the individual level (gender..) Tech, innovations, performative statements, decrees will do the job (hello! Rove.) A spin-down to oblivion. Of course,, a ‘top’ PTB class may believe that they will be Lords of the Manor once the Plebs have been decimated, but imho they (mostly) don’t understand what is happening.
1. May have some local uses but….
2. Not only, that is just the main drift vaxxes, Kontrol…
3. These don’t seem at present to be put to good / interesting use, fakey ‘modelling’, garbage in > outNoiretteParticipantAbout Ursula von der Lying, prev. thread, the important question is HOW she came to be Head of the EU Comm.
Under Merkel, she was Min. of Defense …how did that come about? Made no sense at all at the time.
She had no experience, no qualifications, nothing relevant, and was regurlarly derided, then thrown out, and was kicked upstairs, to the EU Commission.
Her husband Heiko V-d-L is a Med. Doc. in close contact with Big Pharma.
Wiki on the Hubby (smooth cover-up blurb for sure):
Von der Leyen studied Medicine at the University of Hamburg before pursuing further studies at Hanover Medical School.
From 1992 to 1996, he was a faculty member of Stanford University.He received his Habilitation doctorate at Hanover Medical School in 1998, and was appointed Adjunct Professor of Internal Medicine and Experimental Cardiology at Hanover Medical School in 2002.
Von der Leyen became the Director of Hanover Clinical Trial Center GmbH in 2005; Hanover Clinical Trial Center (HCTC) is an academic clinical research organization on the campus of Hanover Medical School.
Since December 2020, he is Medical Director of the company Orgenesis which specialises in cell and gene therapies. Von der Leyen resigned from his position on the supervisory board of Orgenesis in October 2022, after journalists reported that the Italian branch of Orgenesis had received EU research funds in the past.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heiko_von_der_Leyen#References
NoiretteParticipantWes posted:
Polish politicians are lying about not supporting the Ukraine because they haven’t installed Dominion voting machines yet. Once re-elected they will go back to supporting the war in the Ukraine.
Right on. Heh, Dominion voting machines, what a joke 🙂
The Polish PTB are dead scared of the “populists” who are fed up with the refugees being given quasi ‘holy status’, and overall how the ‘war’ in Ukr. is affecting them. The PTB make noise and are throwing to the public some signals about how the Gvmt. is ‘on their side’ > to remain in power and win the elections.
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